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    Quote Originally Posted by Jade Dragon View Post
    I meant the combat. Turn-based, one character at a time (I think), no movement.
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    Have you actually played a Fire Emblem game?


    EDIT: as far as recommendations go though, the only title i can think of that hasn't been mentioned yet(Unless im blind) is The Last Remnant - which i personally have interest in, but then again I've never actually played it myself so i suppose a genuine recommendation on that isn't possible. I do however second Battle for Wesnoth and the Heroes of Might and Magic series though.

    EDIT2: i should also mention that The Last Remnant doesn't really have orcs, so if that's a deal-breaker then that recommendation is even more worthless
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jade Dragon View Post
    I meant the combat. Turn-based, one character at a time (I think), no movement.
    To be entirely fair to Jade Dragon, I think by "the combat" he means the animation that plays when you order one unit to attack another. Which ignores that 100% of the game's complexity lies outside of this screen as you aren't even in control of what happens there, but I could imagine how someone could get a false impression if all they've seen are screencaps.

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    Have you actually played a Fire Emblem game?


    EDIT: as far as recommendations go though, the only title i can think of that hasn't been mentioned yet(Unless im blind) is The Last Remnant - which i personally have interest in, but then again I've never actually played it myself so i suppose a genuine recommendation on that isn't possible.
    Tried TLR at some point in the distant past. Maybe it's just my background, but I found it completely incomprehensible. If you've played Japanese style RPGs before you might have better luck.

    Also, my insistence on orcs and elves was a joke. Elves shooting orcs seemed a useful descriptor for fantasy games as a whole.

    I am PC only though. Should have said that.

    And thanks all for the great suggestions. So far I'm looking at Avernum 6, various of the older Might and Magics, and, embarrassingly, this. Actually the expansion, because I've already played the base game. My shame knows no bounds.
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    Can I reccomend Warlock:Master of the Arcane a second time? It is a 4x (is that the right term?) but has some rpg elements, in the heros. Very fun, and fast paced, unlike some others on the market.
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    Don't mistake Might and Magic and Heroes of Might and Magic for each other. The former are straight RPGs. The latter are strategy games.

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    Can I reccomend Warlock:Master of the Arcane a second time? It is a 4x (is that the right term?) but has some rpg elements, in the heros. Very fun, and fast paced, unlike some others on the market.
    I've gotten a lot of fun out of Warlock. It's the natural evolution of the already superlative Fantasy Wars/Elven Legacy games from tactical affairs into long-term strategy titles. Still need to pick up the last couple DLCs though, so that's an option. I've heard the Apocalypse DLC is really hard, is that true?

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    My shame knows no bounds.
    Seems alright enough on its face, if a little more fanservicey than normal for RPGs. I'd probably give it more of a look if I weren't busy playing my gift from my SO and Crusader Kings 2.

    If you're primarily sticking to PC RPGs, I would also give pretty serious consideration to Winter Voices, a game on Steam that is kind of a puzzle-strategy RPG; you don't kill anything, at least in the first couple of episodes. Your goal is to survive fights and leave alive, not kill things. It's pretty nifty, but may not be your thing. It's also sold in very, very small packages, so you can get a shot - there's also a demo.

    For heavier strategy with a strong character basis, Crusader Kings 2 MAY do you, but you don't sound like you're into it right now, so I guess I'll say no more.

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    Dominions 3 is $50? that is on Amazon, right?
    That was the price when I bought it two years ago from them, well after the '5 years' I said.

    It is only $30 on Desura, and goes on sale fairly often.
    That's a lot more reasonable


    The "5 years ago" is rather questionable also since they continaully add to it for free. The version now has a lot more in it than the 5 years ago version.
    They haven't added much since LA Russia.

    That might still be too much money for some.
    50 bucks is really sporty for an old game with terrible graphics, even if it is a legitimately excellent strategery title (Which I'm not really sure on; I actually really like it a lot, but I don't have a lot of experience with fantasy strategy so I don't have an opinion on if it's 'good'.
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    So... a turn-based tactics PC game with small squad/party tactical mechanics and individual unit customization, like Jagged Alliance or X-com... but high fantasy...

    Someone make this game!!!

    Well anyways, here's one nobody has mentioned yet: http://www.gog.com/gamecard/eador_genesis

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    I came into this thread with the specific intention of saying Eador is a ridiculously brilliant fantasy strategy game that can be bought for ridiculously cheap.

    It's just one of those games that you instantly know was a labor of love... the combat is always a tactical exercise, the campaign is well-written (and well-translated), the empire building is interesting, the graphics are gorgeous (if retro)...

    I honestly could not recommend this game enough.
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    Seems alright enough on its face, if a little more fanservicey than normal for RPGs. I'd probably give it more of a look if I weren't busy playing my gift from my SO and Crusader Kings 2.
    It is basically alright, one of those things made by a very small team with perhaps a bit more love and ambition than refined talent. Which is to say a good bit of fun, particularly if you very much have a shirts-optional policy. Since it's pretty much equal opportunity oggling, I don't object.

    If you're primarily sticking to PC RPGs, I would also give pretty serious consideration to Winter Voices, a game on Steam that is kind of a puzzle-strategy RPG; you don't kill anything, at least in the first couple of episodes. Your goal is to survive fights and leave alive, not kill things. It's pretty nifty, but may not be your thing. It's also sold in very, very small packages, so you can get a shot - there's also a demo.
    I actually own these, snagged 'em on sale from GamersGate a while back, but for some reason can't get them to install right.Still trying to figure that out.

    Quote Originally Posted by MLai View Post
    So... a turn-based tactics PC game with small squad/party tactical mechanics and individual unit customization, like Jagged Alliance or X-com... but high fantasy...

    Someone make this game!!!
    It's nonexistance baffles me. I mean just think of the possibilities - fighting orcs at night when they dynamically choose to attack your tavern, running a covert op to rescue somebody or other from an orc war party... the list just goes on. And with a decent tactical combat system that forces a variety of tactics, it'd be great.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vitruviansquid View Post
    I came into this thread with the specific intention of saying Eador is a ridiculously brilliant fantasy strategy game that can be bought for ridiculously cheap.

    It's just one of those games that you instantly know was a labor of love... the combat is always a tactical exercise, the campaign is well-written (and well-translated), the empire building is interesting, the graphics are gorgeous (if retro)...

    I honestly could not recommend this game enough.
    I've been debating whether or not to pick Genesis up now, or wait for the jaw-droppingly gorgeous remake, but I think this sells me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MLai View Post
    So... a turn-based tactics PC game with small squad/party tactical mechanics and individual unit customization, like Jagged Alliance or X-com... but high fantasy...

    Someone make this game!!!
    Well, you could always play Frozen Synapse and pretend that they're wizards blasting things with magic wands... The graphics are minimalistic enough to make this not unreasonably difficult.

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    Well, it's not really a small group, and it'll eat up vast quantities of your time if you go for 100% completion, but I'm going to recommend Disgaea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jade Dragon View Post
    I meant the combat. Turn-based, one character at a time (I think), no movement.
    That's the GBA multiplayer arena.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MLai View Post
    So... a turn-based tactics PC game that doesn't need a $10,000 computer so that the rest of us can play it with small squad/party tactical mechanics and individual unit customization, like Jagged Alliance or X-com... but high fantasy...

    Someone make this game!!!
    Fixed it for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by warty goblin View Post
    It is basically alright, one of those things made by a very small team with perhaps a bit more love and ambition than refined talent. Which is to say a good bit of fun, particularly if you very much have a shirts-optional policy. Since it's pretty much equal opportunity oggling, I don't object.
    I'd be the judge of that. Dudes have a remarkably bad habit of not being capable of judging what dudes 'are' attractive.



    I actually own these, snagged 'em on sale from GamersGate a while back, but for some reason can't get them to install right.Still trying to figure that out.
    Shame. The setting and plot have a neat, not-oft-seen flavor.


    It's nonexistance baffles me. I mean just think of the possibilities - fighting orcs at night when they dynamically choose to attack your tavern, running a covert op to rescue somebody or other from an orc war party... the list just goes on. And with a decent tactical combat system that forces a variety of tactics, it'd be great.
    That sounds more like Mount and Blade than normal for those kinds of games.
    Edit: What about high-fantasy mods of Mount and Blade? Granted, not turn-based, but...

    I came into this thread with the specific intention of saying Eador is a ridiculously brilliant fantasy strategy game that can be bought for ridiculously cheap.
    Is there a demo?
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    I'd be the judge of that. Dudes have a remarkably bad habit of not being capable of judging what dudes 'are' attractive.
    Fair enough. I obviously can't speak with first hand experience what women like in their fanservice, and wasn't trying to - sorry if it came off that way. The point I was trying to (clumsily) make was that the clothing for both sexes tends to be equally impractical and exposing. Generally I abandon my high horse when the chainmail bikinis are offset by fur loincloths.

    Shame. The setting and plot have a neat, not-oft-seen flavor.
    Got 'em to work. I had just installed Episode 1, and missed the prologue. Apparently Ep. 1 doesn't have the actual game files, so once I installed the prologue, it started to run fine.


    That sounds more like Mount and Blade than normal for those kinds of games.
    Edit: What about high-fantasy mods of Mount and Blade? Granted, not turn-based, but...
    More or less, yes. But Mount & Blade owes a fair bit of its DNA to JA 2. And with smaller unit counts and full party control, the possibility for ambushes, creative use of buildings etc goes way up.
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    Fair enough. I obviously can't speak with first hand experience what women like in their fanservice, and wasn't trying to - sorry if it came off that way. The point I was trying to (clumsily) make was that the clothing for both sexes tends to be equally impractical and exposing. Generally I abandon my high horse when the chainmail bikinis are offset by fur loincloths.
    It's no big thing. But whether the Chainmail Bikinis aren't a thing depends on the build of the dudes wearing the loincloth. Conan isn't generally considered sexy, and isn't intended to be, so it's not like Red Sonja at all.

    More or less, yes. But Mount & Blade owes a fair bit of its DNA to JA 2. And with smaller unit counts and full party control, the possibility for ambushes, creative use of buildings etc goes way up.
    Does it? Nifty to know. I was more commenting on what you mentioned about the dynamically generated orcs and owning a tavern, since MnB does actually change the economy based on what you and bandits do.
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    Nope. Fire Emblem is a tactical RPG franchise, with no deviation from that basic style in any of its titles. It was the series that created that sub-genre, in fact.
    Fire Emblem was before Shining Force? Just wondering...

    Also, are there any Fire Emblem games for the PC? I have one for the Gamecube but my dog chewed up my video connector so my Gamecube is out of commission (and Nintendo had to have a unique video connector).

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    I started basically this thread not terribly long ago. Can't find it now, but most of these suggestions came up. Stuff I saw there the I haven't seen here:

    -Titans of Steel. free, possibly buggy, incredibly complex and difficult. It's a battletech game.

    -Megamek. A much simplified version of ToS. Stays true to the original board game rules. Has some online multiplayer communities.

    -Advance Wars. Not PC, but there are 2 for DS and 2 for GBA, so if you've either of those systems you can look it up. These have got to be my favorite strategy games ever. If you've got the systems, any of the titles ought to be cheap if you can find em at a gamestop. I recommend black hole rising (number two) for GBA, and Days of Ruin( number four) for the DS.
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    It's no big thing. But whether the Chainmail Bikinis aren't a thing depends on the build of the dudes wearing the loincloth. Conan isn't generally considered sexy, and isn't intended to be, so it's not like Red Sonja at all.
    Dammit, I know there was an article on this somewhere...

    To summarize the article (so I don't have to look for it): how the woman acts is more important than what she wears. Conan (the series, not the character) is sexist sometimes, with sexy women in underwear hiding behind him as he fights off bandits. But Sonja is a great warrior, as strong as Conan, so her concept isn't sexist, just fanservice-y.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jade Dragon View Post
    Dammit, I know there was an article on this somewhere...

    To summarize the article (so I don't have to look for it): how the woman acts is more important than what she wears. Conan (the series, not the character) is sexist sometimes, with sexy women in underwear hiding behind him as he fights off bandits. But Sonja is a great warrior, as strong as Conan, so her concept isn't sexist, just fanservice-y.
    She isn't as strong as conan, and is frequently saved by him whenever he's around. That's why he's the main character and she has a spinoff. Further, although I don't disagree that how characters act is more important, that doesn't change that looks still matter in this context. It is still sexist only women are considered viable for looks fanservice, it is just less sexist than if they are only considered valuable for their looks (Which, you know, I've dealt with gaming fans for the majority of m y life, and is the standard in games)
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    Fire Emblem was before Shining Force? Just wondering...

    Also, are there any Fire Emblem games for the PC? I have one for the Gamecube but my dog chewed up my video connector so my Gamecube is out of commission (and Nintendo had to have a unique video connector).
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    Fire Emblem was before Shining Force? Just wondering...
    Yep. First Fire Emblem was released in 1990, Shining Force was 1992.

    Quote Originally Posted by snoopy13a View Post
    Also, are there any Fire Emblem games for the PC? I have one for the Gamecube but my dog chewed up my video connector so my Gamecube is out of commission (and Nintendo had to have a unique video connector).
    Nope, at least not legally. They're all on Nintendo consoles or handhelds.
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    As the year winds down, I find myself with an urge to order elves to spend a turn shooting orcs in their stupid orc faces. I find it helps put things in perspective.

    I'm not seeing much in my collection that looks to satisfy this though. So I'm turning to you for suggestions. I'm amenable to either party-based or one-character games. I don't really discriminate on the age of a title - although I do like the art to be solid, even if the tech is old.

    Any suggestions?
    So you want X-COM: Enemy Unknown with Elves and Orcs. I'd like that game as well. If anyone knows of anything like it, I'd be interested as well.

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    So you want X-COM: Enemy Unknown with Elves and Orcs. I'd like that game as well. If anyone knows of anything like it, I'd be interested as well.
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    It's no big thing. But whether the Chainmail Bikinis aren't a thing depends on the build of the dudes wearing the loincloth. Conan isn't generally considered sexy, and isn't intended to be, so it's not like Red Sonja at all.
    Valid point. While again I obviously can't testify to what women look for in their vaguely anime style dudes, I'm reasonably sure this one isn't playing to straight guys. Don't get me wrong, I'd quite like abs that good, but at least most of my Awesome Man fantasies tend to have somewhat more hair. I'll settle for clearly sexualized, and probably not meant to do anything for me.

    Does it? Nifty to know. I was more commenting on what you mentioned about the dynamically generated orcs and owning a tavern, since MnB does actually change the economy based on what you and bandits do.
    Mostly in terms of the overland/tactical battle map deal, and the inventory links back and forth between them. JA 2 doesn't seem to really use a party based AI for the overland stuff though, certainly not to the extent that M&B does. Nevertheless, there's a reasonable amount in common between the two.
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    She isn't as strong as conan, and is frequently saved by him whenever he's around. That's why he's the main character and she has a spinoff. Further, although I don't disagree that how characters act is more important, that doesn't change that looks still matter in this context. It is still sexist only women are considered viable for looks fanservice, it is just less sexist than if they are only considered valuable for their looks (Which, you know, I've dealt with gaming fans for the majority of m y life, and is the standard in games)
    Ah. Well, most of my info on Sonja is taken from TVTropes.

    Edit: Actually, I'm misremembering. The tropes page said that she was beaten by Conan, I thought it had said they had a draw.

    I'm fine with Conan being stronger. The deal with the goddess included "can't sleep with anyone unless they beat you in combat", which means that it should be possible to beat her.

    Conan in general isn't the best example for my argument. The guy who wrote the article mostly just posted D&D 4e pics.
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    @ RPGuru1331:
    So what kind of male characters are sexy for female readers, in a fantasy setting? Honest question because I'm a (hobby) comic book artist.
    I already know women in chainmail bikini who contort themselves for the camera every frame is sexist. But I'm not talking about the women.
    And I can see why Conan isn't sexy, what with that eternal snarl on his face. He looks like Anton Chigurh on steroids.

    Reynard: I think this sort of game would be ideal for porting the D&D 4e ruleset to videogames. Maybe if enough people badger WotC we can get it done eventually.
    I don't know... I mean, I remember the ooooold SSI Forgotten Realms and Dragonlance games. You move your characters around on the battlefield, and you have movement limits, but that's not really what we're talking about. We're talking about games that feel like X-com, Jagged Alliance, Laser Squad, and Fallout Tactics.
    Unless D&D 4e is significantly different than old D&D rules? 4e would translate well to Jagged Alliance style gameplay?

    The one problem I see with a JA-style fantasy TBT game, is the prevalence of melee rather than range combat in fantasy. How would that translate into JA-style TBT?

    I'm thinking a detailed melee system would need to be in place, more than "move fighter next to goblin archer, unsheath longsword +2, start mashing melee button." For example, shooting phase in X-com has "suppression fire, aimed shot, auto shot," etc. So, melee phase in this game should take real-life swordfighting techniques/tactics into account.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MLai View Post
    I don't know... I mean, I remember the ooooold SSI Forgotten Realms and Dragonlance games. You move your characters around on the battlefield, and you have movement limits, but that's not really what we're talking about. We're talking about games that feel like X-com, Jagged Alliance, Laser Squad, and Fallout Tactics.
    Unless D&D 4e is significantly different than old D&D rules? 4e would translate well to Jagged Alliance style gameplay?

    The one problem I see with a JA-style fantasy TBT game, is the prevalence of melee rather than range combat in fantasy. How would that translate into JA-style TBT?

    I'm thinking a detailed melee system would need to be in place, more than "move fighter next to goblin archer, unsheath longsword +2, start mashing melee button." For example, shooting phase in X-com has "suppression fire, aimed shot, auto shot," etc. So, melee phase in this game should take real-life swordfighting techniques/tactics into account.
    I think they're confusing X-COM: UFO Defense/UFO: Enemy Unknown (what you and I are talking about) with XCOM: Enemy Unknown, which uses a very D&D-esque two-action turn (move + any other action).
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    In the new X-Com game, can you...

    (1) Action/Move/Action?
    (2) Move/Action/Move?

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    No, it's:

    Move/Move
    Move/Action
    Action

    Some classes can get abilities letting them do Action/Action, and Assaults can Move/Move/Action once every third turn.

    @Snoopy13a: No, though Wii's are backwards compatible with Gamecube games. On the other hand, since they used the same connector for three consecutive system (SNES, N64, and GC) it's relatively cheap to acquire one.

    Unless you want a component cable. If that's the case, just shell out for a Wii. It's cheaper and plays more games.

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