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    Default Taking 10 on Skill Checks in Combat?

    Is there a feat/spell/etc that would allow for taking 10 on Knowledge Checks while in combat?

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    Default Re: Taking 10 on Skill Checks in Combat?

    Rogues' Skill Mastery allows them to do this if they choose the appropriate Knowledge skill for it.

    The Aura of Perfect Order stance (Devoted Spirit 6) lets them "Take 11" once per round on any d20 roll.
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    Default Re: Taking 10 on Skill Checks in Combat?

    Psychic Rogues get Skill Mastery as well. Though you'll typically want it for Concentration and Autohypnosis before Knowledge, unless you have KD.
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    Default Re: Taking 10 on Skill Checks in Combat?

    There are lots of classes which get some form of Skill Mastery; see the Lists of Stuff. Many forms of Skill Mastery are specific to particular skills, but none of them are specific to the various Knowledges. Still, there are a lot of them which are user-selectable like the Rogue ability.
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    Thief-Acrobat 4, ecl 8, Complete Adventurer, balance/climb/jump/tumble
    Evangelist 4, ecl 9, Complete Divine, select 1+Int from list
    Temple Raider of Olidammara 9, ecl 14, Complete Divine, select 3+Int
    Urban Soul 6, ecl 13, Races of Destiny, balance/climb/jump/move silently/tumble
    Artificer 13, Eberron Campaign Setting, spellcraft and Use Magic Device
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    Hoardstealer 8, ecl 13, Draconomicon, 3+Int

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    Default Re: Taking 10 on Skill Checks in Combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by Psyren View Post
    Though you'll typically want it for Concentration and Autohypnosis before Knowledge, unless you have KD.
    You can get Concentration from a feat (Steady Concentration).

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    Default Re: Taking 10 on Skill Checks in Combat?

    Other useful Knowledge stuff:

    • Dantalion Vestige (Binder 8, or a similar Binder/PrC build) provides a +8 unnamed bonus on all Knowledge checks. The vestige's other abilities are pretty useful as well, especially if you take the Scion of Dantalion prestige class.
    • Draconic Knowledge Invocation (Dragonfire Adept 1 or Warlock 1): +6 bonus of Knowledge and Spellcraft checks for 24 hours. (Dragon Magic p.80)
    • Divine Insight spell: 5 + caster level insight bonus to one check.
    • Improvisation spell: Caster level/2 luck bonus to one check.
    • Trivial Knowledge: Whenever you make a Knowledge check or a Bardic Knowledge check, roll twice and use the better result. Requires that you be a Gnome. Races of Stone pg 145.
    • Mantle of Second Chances: Reroll one die once per day. No reason you can't have several, and swap them out each combat. 6,000 gp, DMG II pg 269.
    • Knowledge Devotion feat: Make a Knowledge check to gain a scaled insight bonus (up to +5 if you can hit 36 or higher) to hit and damage. Complete Champion pg 60.
    • Lunatic Insight feat: You are considered trained in all Knowledge Skills, and gain a +2 (untyped) bonus to Initiative and Mind Effecting abilities. Heroes of Horror pg 123.
    • Collector of Stories skill trick: +5 bonus on Knowledge checks to identify the weakness of monsters. Complete Scoundrel p.85
    • Paragnostic Apostle: OK Knowledge based PrC - synergizes well with Archivist, and grants Lore ability. Complete Champion p.94.
    • Make Your Own Luck Feat: Expend a luck reroll to reroll any skill check. Note that Luck uses are very limited unless you invest heavily in it, and Luck abilities generally suck, so this is more of an NPC option. (Complete Scoundrel, p.79)
    • Masterwork item: +2 bonus to any Skill check.
    • Book of All Knowledge: +10 insight bonus to a Knowledge check, after persuing the book for 2d4 hours. Complete Champion p. 142.
    • Tome of Worldly Memory: +5 competence bonus to a Knowledge check, after persuing the book for 1 minute 3/day. If you have 5 ranks in the skill in question, it only requires a standard action. Magic Item Compendium p.190
    • Item Familiar: Scaled bonus (Class level + 3) to any one Skill check, though you have to sacrifice twice as many Skill ranks. Unearthed Arcana.

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    Default Re: Taking 10 on Skill Checks in Combat?

    Hardened Criminal feat lets you take 10 on any (you pick one) skill, any time.
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    Default Re: Taking 10 on Skill Checks in Combat?

    And as a side note, Taking 10 is mathematically inferior to just rolling a d20. Taking ten always adds +10. Rolling d20 gives you an expected average result of 10.5. So you should only Take 10 when you know that a result of 9 or less will fail, and that there is no benefit to a result of 11 or higher. Thus, it's useful for fixed DC's, but not useful for opposed DC's, or in situations where a higher result might give you better options.

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    Default Re: Taking 10 on Skill Checks in Combat?

    The skillful moment spell from Dragon Magazine spell collection .pdf allows one to count the next skill check made as if a 20 had been rolled, as long as the skill check is made the round after the spell is cast (standard action, first level spell). Could be useful to combo it with a rod of metamagic (quicken), perhaps, particularly for purposes of Knowledge Devotion and similar effects that scale with DC. Also nice because there is no bonus type associated with the effect, so it stacks with everything.
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    Default Re: Taking 10 on Skill Checks in Combat?

    Quote Originally Posted by Person_Man View Post
    Thus, it's useful for fixed DC's, but not useful for opposed DC's
    Unless of course you're at least +11 higher than them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Story View Post
    Unless of course you're at least +11 higher than them.
    I think that falls under "9 or less will fail". Also, good luck determining your opponent's modifier before an opposed roll.
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    By level 20 though, you aren't capturing a wizard. A character lives to level 20 by being the most ruthless, lucky, capable, and paranoid bastard around. A wizard is throwing around a 30+ Int score and has, entirely in character, planned contingencies for his contingencies. He may well be running around with flat out total immunity to harm, he does not walk outside without an entire bevy of defensive magics around him and enough magic items to buy himself a nation.

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    Default Re: Taking 10 on Skill Checks in Combat?

    taking 10 on physical skills and UMD is what it's usually used for- because those things are fixed DCs, where (In the cas of UMD) rolling a 1 is an auto-fail.

    Knowledge checks is a bit out of left field, but doable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Acanous View Post
    (In the cas of UMD) rolling a 1 is an auto-fail.
    No, it's not. However, if you roll a natural 1 and also fail the check, there are consequences. But if you roll a natural 1 and succeed, you simply always succeed.

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    Default Re: Taking 10 on Skill Checks in Combat?

    As a side question.. do you get the special +2 bonus to described under 'Activating Blindly' when you are 'activating a wand' after having done it successfully before?

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    Default Re: Taking 10 on Skill Checks in Combat?

    Yes, succeeding at least once previously gives you +2 to Activate Blindly. You can't activate a wand via Use a Wand unless you've successfully identified the spell contained therein first. Knowing that it causes heat damage when you point it and Activate Blindly still doesn't tell you if it's a wand of Fireball, or Aganazzar's Scorcher, or Burning Hands with Maximize Spell applied to it; you need spellcasting knowledge (a successful Spellcraft check)) to nail down the actual spell.

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    Default Re: Taking 10 on Skill Checks in Combat?

    EDIT: NM I just noticed the DC was 5 higher for that
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