JL8 - Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman in Grade School

[Metahuman1]

Is that 119? Cause if it is I don't see it on the site.

[BannedInSchool]

New comic is up. Click on the top link, and not the bottom one.

Is that 119? Cause if it is I don't see it on the site.

Aha, "top link" means in the first post in this thread:
http://jl8comic.tumblr.com/

[ThirdEmperor]

You know, I'd read this comic more often if it wasn't stored on Tumblr.

[Metahuman1]

Ah, I see it now.

OMG that's awesome!

[The Glyphstone]

Now I picture Clark going up to random strangers and asking them to hit him with stuff to see if it hurts.

[Surfing HalfOrc]

And Clark totally nails it!

Diana is a Princess by birth, but who ever said she had to be JUST a Princess?

[SaintRidley]

You know, I'd read this comic more often if it wasn't stored on Tumblr.

He also posts them to facebook, where it's easier to magnify on the strips that are multi-part.

[Mutant Sheep]

You know, I could take this kind of princess-is-sucky-occupation thing more seriously if, you know, I could actually name a story with the prince as the main character. A dozen princess stories, a few with a prince who has zero development as a person, but no princes.

[Dienekes]

Ehh, in most of the princess stories I can think of off the top of my head (pretty much all Disney stuff), sure the Princess is the main character, but she's always in peril in the 3rd act and the prince gets his big hero moment. Brave and Tangled being exceptions.

[PhantomFox]

You know, I could take this kind of princess-is-sucky-occupation thing more seriously if, you know, I could actually name a story with the prince as the main character. A dozen princess stories, a few with a prince who has zero development as a person, but no princes.

The Prince and the Pauper?

[Metahuman1]

Ehh, in most of the princess stories I can think of off the top of my head (pretty much all Disney stuff), sure the Princess is the main character, but she's always in peril in the 3rd act and the prince gets his big hero moment. Brave and Tangled being exceptions.

Mulan would like a word with you.

But seriously, the whole "I am not a freaking damsel in distress" bit is absolutely core Diana and has been since the end of the silver age. An Argument could be made that it was like that back in the golden age, and a somewhat tougher argument could be made that it was even still like that in the silver age.

What's killing me here is that that was also an important part of Powergirls character for a long time and it's sorta being played the other way for now. But I trust the author enough at this point to let it play out.

[slayerx]

You know, I could take this kind of princess-is-sucky-occupation thing more seriously if, you know, I could actually name a story with the prince as the main character. A dozen princess stories, a few with a prince who has zero development as a person, but no princes.

The Lion King

[SaintRidley]

You know, I could take this kind of princess-is-sucky-occupation thing more seriously if, you know, I could actually name a story with the prince as the main character. A dozen princess stories, a few with a prince who has zero development as a person, but no princes.

Aladdin ring any bells?

I think more important to Diana is that in all those stories you're thinking of, the princess winds up being a thing to be saved. Sure, she has all the character moments, but the princess still winds up needing to be saved.

[Scowling Dragon]

Maybe she should Play some Legend of Zelda games.

Anybody who pays more attention to the Majority of the series then 3 seconds would find that Zelda is the more important (And Often equally as pro-active) character then Link.

The Whole series has a slew of Pro-Active Princesses.

[Deepbluediver]

Aladdin ring any bells?

You want to be careful citing Disney; I remember seeing a list some one wrote that explains how terrible all those princesses would be as role models.


i.e. they do things like disobey their parents, run off with bad boys, cut deals with the devil, etc.

[DiscipleofBob]

You know, I could take this kind of princess-is-sucky-occupation thing more seriously if, you know, I could actually name a story with the prince as the main character. A dozen princess stories, a few with a prince who has zero development as a person, but no princes.

Emperor's New Groove?

...

I got nothing.

[OrchestraHc]

Diana's going by "Hero" not "Protagonist."

In sleeping beauty the Prince saves the day, same as in snow white, and pretty most classic stories, character development or no.

[Coidzor]

You know, I could take this kind of princess-is-sucky-occupation thing more seriously if, you know, I could actually name a story with the prince as the main character. A dozen princess stories, a few with a prince who has zero development as a person, but no princes.

Do secret princes count?

[Othniel Edden]

Yo, Diana, from your own culture.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atalanta

[Dienekes]

Mulan would like a word with you.

She's not a princess.

[stsasser]

You know, I could take this kind of princess-is-sucky-occupation thing more seriously if, you know, I could actually name a story with the prince as the main character. A dozen princess stories, a few with a prince who has zero development as a person, but no princes.

King Lear.

[Metahuman1]

She's not a princess.

And yet she is always lumped in as a Disney Princess.

[Coidzor]

There's PRINCESSES and then there's PRINCE$$E$.

[Dienekes]

King Lear.

I don't think there even is a prince in King Lear. The main characters are Lear, his three daughters and Edmund.

And yet she is always lumped in as a Disney Princess.

No idea why, she's very specifically a daughter of a wealthy soldier. And unlike Belle who marries a prince therefore becomes a princess (well, I think it should be queen at that point, but anyway), Mulan is implied to marry a son of a general I believe. Nothing really noble about her.

[Coidzor]

No idea why, she's very specifically a daughter of a wealthy soldier. And unlike Belle who marries a prince therefore becomes a princess (well, I think it should be queen at that point, but anyway), Mulan is implied to marry a son of a general I believe. Nothing really noble about her.

I honestly can never remember what happened to chinese nobility after the civil service system was introduced, but I read Mulan's family as minor nobility, and, well, quasi-hereditary generalship? Scans like some variant of nob to me.

[DiscipleofBob]

No idea why, she's very specifically a daughter of a wealthy soldier. And unlike Belle who marries a prince therefore becomes a princess (well, I think it should be queen at that point, but anyway), Mulan is implied to marry a son of a general I believe. Nothing really noble about her.

Except already being part of a noble family and marrying the son of a general.

Not noble at all, nosirree.

Disney tends to count most of their memorable female protagonists as princesses. Sometimes they end up marrying princes (Cinderella, Belle, Tiana). Sometimes they only count as princesses if you can stretch to argue them as royalty (Pocahontas being the daughter of a chief, Megura marrying the son of Zeus), sometimes there's really nothing royal about them (Mulan, Alice). Yet at one point or another, all of them are part of the Disney Princess franchise.

[Dienekes]

I honestly can never remember what happened to chinese nobility after the civil service system was introduced, but I read Mulan's family as minor nobility, and, well, quasi-hereditary generalship? Scans like some variant of nob to me.

You're right, that is chinese nobility. I meant to say royal. My mistake.

Except already being part of a noble family and marrying the son of a general.

Not noble at all, nosirree.

Disney tends to count most of their memorable female protagonists as princesses. Sometimes they end up marrying princes (Cinderella, Belle, Tiana). Sometimes they only count as princesses if you can stretch to argue them as royalty (Pocahontas being the daughter of a chief, Megura marrying the son of Zeus), sometimes there's really nothing royal about them (Mulan, Alice). Yet at one point or another, all of them are part of the Disney Princess franchise.

That's fine. But the discussion here was of the perception of actual princesses that Diana can choose as role-models for being an action hero. I'm still not seeing many that save the male protagonist come act three except Brave and Tangled. Where Brave doesn't have a male protagonist, and Tangled has both of them saving each other fairly often.

[Metahuman1]

Obviously she needs to start looking over at dreamworks stuff then.

Shrek The Third anyone?

[Hopeless]

At first, I thought he was so ecstatic that he slapped Hippolyta on the ass.

Me too, I did a double take.

Pardon me just getting my wits back together after reading 112... Diana's mother seems to have sussed out who taught Jonn that!

[The Glyphstone]

Poor Clark. Eight years old and he's already a resident of the friendzone.