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    Quote Originally Posted by 137ben View Post
    Also, Varsuvius (with magical gag).
    I was wondering about that -- is a magical gag an interesting alteration?

    Put differently, is having a magic gag over your mouth an alteration any more than having your body held by a magic hand is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bird View Post
    I was wondering about that -- is a magical gag an interesting alteration?

    Put differently, is having a magic gag over your mouth an alteration any more than having your body held by a magic hand is?
    I don't think it counts as interesting. The FAQ says this, which is nearly the same thing:

    We don't treat...characters covered in auras due to...having a spell cast upon them...as alternate magical forms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flame of Anor View Post
    I don't think it counts as interesting. The FAQ says this, which is nearly the same thing:
    Makes sense to me.

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    Updated through 903
    Blackwing, Cedrik, Durkon (as vampire), Durkon's Barbed Devil, Lee, Malack, Nale, Nero, Qarr, Sabine, Vaarsuvius, Zz'dtri, Zz'dtri's Piscodaemon
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    Belkar Bitterleaf, Elan, Haley Starshine, Roy Greenhilt, Silicon Elemental
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    Belkar Bitterleaf, Durkon (as vampire), Durkon's Barbed Devil, Elan, Girard (as Statue), Haley Starshine, Malack, Nale, Roy Greenhilt, Silicon Elemental, Zz'dtri, Zz'dtri's Piscodaemon
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    906: Durkon (as vampire), Malack (vamped out), Nale, Zz'dtri, Qarr

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    It looks as though Malack will never become a Major Character now. Oh well.
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    You never know! Shojo has appeared a handful of times since his death in Mr. Scruffy/Belkar illusions/hippie dream quests.

    Maybe Malack will appear to Durkon. Or he could pop up in flashbacks narrated by Tarquin, as he has before.

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    If Malack's remains appear in the next strip, will it count as an appearance given there isn't actually a body?

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    It's weird that despite all the disintegrations in the comic, I don't think we've ever ran into the "Do ashes count as an appearance?" problem before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gift Jeraff View Post
    It's weird that despite all the disintegrations in the comic, I don't think we've ever ran into the "Do ashes count as an appearance?" problem before.
    I say they should count the same as corpses. They are the literal remains of the character, after all, just an unusually altered form. I'd say they should also be listed as an alternate form if we choose to count them.

    Are corpses considered an appearance, though? I honestly cannot remember.
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    I say they should count the same as corpses. They are the literal remains of the character, after all, just an unusually altered form. I'd say they should also be listed as an alternate form if we choose to count them.

    Are corpses considered an appearance, though? I honestly cannot remember.
    FAQ has this: "A. We don't treat corpses, changes in age, or costuming as interesting alterations."

    Based on this, it is an appearance, but not an interesting alteration. I think it makes sense to treat ashes the same as corpses.

    If ashes were an interesting alteration, the thread would need to list Kubota (dusted), Young Black Dragon (dusted), etc.

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    As a possibly needless hypothetical, if someone's ashes got carried around in an urn, would we still want to count that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bird View Post
    FAQ has this: "A. We don't treat corpses, changes in age, or costuming as interesting alterations."

    Based on this, it is an appearance, but not an interesting alteration. I think it makes sense to treat ashes the same as corpses.

    If ashes were an interesting alteration, the thread would need to list Kubota (dusted), Young Black Dragon (dusted), etc.
    Thanks for the reminder; I totally didn't think of checking the FAQ.

    IMO, though, corpses look far, far more similar to living people than do piles of ashes. I'd say you've experienced a far more visually significant alteration of appearance after having been turned into a pile of ashes than you have after, say, having had your throat slit. So I can see a much stronger argument for listing piles of ashes as an interesting alteration than for listing corpses as one.

    Edit: As to the urn, I'd say we'd only do so if the ashes were visible in the urn. Otherwise it's like listing Roy's appearance just because the wagon carrying his corpse is visible.
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    Durkon (as vampire) (+1), Malack (vamped out) (+1), Nale (+1), Qarr (+1), Zz'dtri (+1)
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    Damn, Malack was only three appearances short of becoming a major character!
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    And here goes Malack's hope of ever becoming a major character.

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    Too close to becoming one, too far from being one...
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    I'm certainly not convinced that he won't appear in any more flashbacks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flame of Anor View Post
    I'm certainly not convinced that he won't appear in any more flashbacks.
    Yea, I'm fairly certain that Shojo will never become a Major Character, but the 2 flashbacks Malack needs is plausible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 137ben View Post
    Yea, I'm fairly certain that Shojo will never become a Major Character, but the 2 flashbacks Malack needs is plausible.
    Easily possible for Malack to become a major character, assuming a) book appearances count and b) the rumours regarding a Linear Guild/Tarquin prequel volume are correct.
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    Vaarsuvius 1-3, 5, 9-12, 14, 16-17, 20-21, 24-26, 29-33, 41, 43, 45, 47, 49, 53, 55-58, 60, 65-66, 69-70, 72, 75, 81, 85-90, 92-94, 98-99, 101, 104-108, 113, 115-116, 118-120
    Elan 1-2, 4-11, 13-21, 24-27, 30-32, 34-35, 38, 41, 43-45, 47, 50, 52, 54-58, 60-61, 64, 66-69, 71-72, 75, 78, 80-81, 85-93, 98-99, 101-102, 104-106, 108-110, 113, 115-116, 118-120
    Haley 1-3, 5-6, 8-14, 17-21, 24, 28-29, 31-33, 35-36, 38, 43-47, 49, 53-57, 59-62, 66, 69-72, 75, 81, 85-90, 92-94, 98-100, 104, 108-110, 113, 115-116, 118-120
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    Roy 1-2, 4-7, 9-17, 20-22, 24-41, 43-48, 51, 54-57, 59-60, 64, 67, 69-72, 74-75, 78, 80, 85-94, 98-99, 101-102, 104-106, 108, 110, 112-116, 118-120
    Durkon 1-2, 4-7, 9-11, 14-17, 20, 24-27, 31-32, 34-35, 38-40, 43, 45, 47, 50, 52, 56-58, 72-74, 76-77, 79, 82-94, 98-99, 101-102, 104-108, 111, 113, 115-116, 118-120

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    Sabine 43-47, 49, 53-62, 120
    Thog 43-44, 47-48, 51, 54-55, 57, 59-60, 64, 66, 69-70, 72, 74, 120

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    Zz'dtri 43-44, 47, 49, 53, 57, 59-60, 65, 74,
    Hilgya 43-44, 47, 50, 52, 55-57, 59-60, 74, 76-77, 79, 82-84.
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    Sara 113,
    Eric 113,
    Fyron 78.
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    All that's needed for Malack to become a major character is his ashes appearing next episode, Nale at some point giving a flashback to his youth (perhaps revealing why he began to hate Malack) and Tarquin at some point giving a flashback to some part of his past.
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    907:

    Durkon Thundershield (vampire), Nale, Qaar, Zzd'tri

    Malack's robes are visible, but I don't think any portion of his ashes are.
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    What about that blackened stuff on Nale's face? It only appeared on him when Malack disintegrated.
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    Good catch, I figured that was scorching from the Slay Living, but it's his ashes.
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    It might be a burn mark from the fire.
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    It might be a burn mark from the fire.
    Looking at it, I think it is. If nothing else, Durkon's whack would've dislodged some of it, if it was ash.

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    Updated through 907
    Durkon (as vampire), Nale, Qarr, Zz'dtri

    I'm unsure about "ashes" part.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lvl45DM! View Post
    Compare Nales wounds with Nales wounds

    Damn near identical no?
    Note that he has the grey wound on his face in both battles. Agreeing with others on this thread, I think that it is, in fact, a wound: not the remnants of Malack.
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