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    Only if we assume he's had a spray-tan between panels, because the skin colour isn't even close.
    Actually, they look quite similar to me. I might be seeing things wrong though.

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    Actually, they look quite similar to me.
    Well, I suppose they are quite similar. But they're not the same.

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    Belkar Bitterleaf, Durkon Thundershield (as vampire), Elan, Haley Starshine, Laurin Shattersmith, Mr. Scruffy, Nale, Roy Greenhilt, Tarquin
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    Is that white blob next to Belkar's left shoulder Mr. Scruffy, or is it too indistinct to tell?

    There does seem to be something there, though.
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    About the masquerade scene:
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    So did we decide, then, about including the guests costumes (where recognizable) as cameos? Like, Nale as Bizarro? I know that we don't list interesting alterations from bonus material, but that would be like crediting "Nale (as Bizarro)". I mean, giving Bizarro a listing. By comparison, we count a corpse as an appearance of a character, but don't call "(as corpse)" an alteration.

    If we do, then we have at least three for Bizarro, and one for Guy Fawkes. Anyone recognize any other costumes?
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    So did we decide, then, about including the guests costumes (where recognizable) as cameos? Like, Nale as Bizarro? I know that we don't list interesting alterations from bonus material, but that would be like crediting "Nale (as Bizarro)". I mean, giving Bizarro a listing. By comparison, we count a corpse as an appearance of a character, but don't call "(as corpse)" an alteration.

    If we do, then we have at least three for Bizarro, and one for Guy Fawkes. Anyone recognize any other costumes?
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    IMO, we shouldn't because it's not actually Bizarro or Tony Manero (Tarquin's costume) showing up anymore than than The Joker showing up when an Hinjo apperaed as him in the Island scenes.

    To put it another way, Batman the character has shown up in the strip. But if Elan were to dress up as Batman, it wouldn't count as an apperance for Batman since he didn't actually appear.

    I know we've stretched the rules for when dolls action figures of them appear. And I'm cool with that. Pics of them on paintings, magazines, and book covers certainly count.

    But a person in costume of that character? No, I don't think it should count in that case.
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    IMO, we shouldn't because it's not actually Bizarro or Tony Manero (Tarquin's costume) showing up anymore than than The Joker showing up when an Hinjo apperaed as him in the Island scenes.

    To put it another way, Batman the character has shown up in the strip. But if Elan were to dress up as Batman, it wouldn't count as an apperance for Batman since he didn't actually appear.

    I know we've stretched the rules for when dolls action figures of them appear. And I'm cool with that. But a person in costume? No, I don't think it should count in that case.
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    But, don't characters appearing as each other count? From the FAQ:
    "Also, when someone appears as someone else (for instance when Nale impersonates Elan), that counts as an appearance for both the character in disguise and the character being impersonated."

    If impersonations count, it seems to me constumes should count...
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    Back when Wrecan was running this, I remember there was a discussion about whether or not Thog should get appearances when Tarquin was impersonating him. If I recall correctly, he did end up getting the appearances despite there being some disagreement within the thread. I was one of those who thought he shouldn't have gotten them, but hey.
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    But, don't characters appearing as each other count? From the FAQ:
    "Also, when someone appears as someone else (for instance when Nale impersonates Elan), that counts as an appearance for both the character in disguise and the character being impersonated."

    If impersonations count, it seems to me constumes should count...
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    We didn't count Hinjoker or Bard Boy in the list except in the Interesting Alterations section, and they would absolutely count if we do this.

    I presume there must have been some sort of debate over this when things like that happened.

    Also, technically, Nale is Nyblat here, so 'Nyblat' would also get all of his appearances. And we'd have to go through all of SS&DT to redo all of that.

    To me, a costume ball is separate from knowingly impersonating someone else and expecting people to buy the impersonation (which might be a rule that needs to be revisited as I think about it).


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    Back when Wrecan was running this, I remember there was a discussion about whether or not Thog should get appearances when Tarquin was impersonating him. If I recall correctly, he did end up getting the appearances despite there being some disagreement within the thread. I was one of those who thought he shouldn't have gotten them, but hey.
    If we must split hairs, then this is the hair to split:

    Appearing in a costume at a ball is NOT trying to deceive people into thinking you are that person, which is the very definition of 'impersonation'.

    Tarquin was trying to get people to think he actually was Thog. What is being discussed in Spoiler Bars isn't remotely the same thing, IMO.
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    We didn't count Hinjoker or Bard Boy in the list except in the Interesting Alterations section, and they would absolutely count if we do this.

    I presume there must have been some sort of debate over this when things like that happened.

    Also, technically, Nale is Nyblat here, so 'Nyblat' would also get all of his appearances. And we'd have to go through all of SS&DT to redo all of that.

    To me, a costume ball is separate from knowingly impersonating someone else and expecting people to buy the impersonation (which might be a rule that needs to be revisited as I think about it).


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    So, the intent is the thing? I assume Elan unwillingly disguised as Nale counted as a Nale appearance? But then, that was the costumer's (Nale's) intent.

    Really, I can see the argument either way here. Costumes do constitute a character appearing on the page in some sense, but what counts as a meaningful appearance is really a matter of preference.

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    Really, I can see the argument either way here. Costumes do constitute a character appearing on the page in some sense, but what counts as a meaningful appearance is really a matter of preference.
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    You have to put the dividing line somewhere. And if someone runs up to that line, but doesn't cross it, it's still on the one side of the line than the other.

    If we move the line here, some other situation will occur where the line will be debated again.

    Personally, I'm comfortable where with the line is at the moment: Someone is attempting to knowingly pass as someone else (or force somone to pass as someone else).

    ...

    Well, actually I'd rather the line be moved to not include that, but since it's already settled I'm not going to re-visit it due to all of the hassles it would create.
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    Fair enough!

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    Elan (+1), Haley Starshine, Laurin Shattersmith, Nale (+1), Tarquin (+1)
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    I just noticed that we are listing a "Dave (human)" cameo but I believe he is just a shapechanged Sabine.

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    Well, Nale, good job getting to 8th place, too bad you're now going to lose it...

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    You never know. We might have some afterlife appearances in the near future. Though, you're right, once the next book gets rolling, it's hard to imagine him staying ahead of Redcloak & Xykyon.
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    I just noticed that we are listing a "Dave (human)" cameo but I believe he is just a shapechanged Sabine.
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    The question is did Dave (human) ever exist as individual?

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    The question is did Dave (human) ever exist as individual?
    Why wouldn't he?
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    The question is did Dave (human) ever exist as individual?
    Yes, he probably did, because that lizardman guard was familiar enough with him to be surprised at the wings. So either Dave did/does exist, or Sabine was going undercover as Dave for a bizarrely long time.
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    Yes, he probably did, because that lizardman guard was familiar enough with him to be surprised at the wings. So either Dave did/does exist, or Sabine was going undercover as Dave for a bizarrely long time.
    I mean, it's certainly possible that she showed up at the beginning of the day, introduced herself as the new guy Dave, and everyone assumed Dave was a regular human. Then when Dave busts out some wings, they're mildly surprised, because that seems like something you would mention right off the bat.

    "Hi, my name's Dave, and I got HELLA COOL WINGS, YO."


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    ...Which would also explain why the other guard didn't even know his name.

    I think without firm evidence that Dave the person ever existed, he shouldn't get an appearance. (We stopped counting Polozius after it was revealed to be Z, after all, but for all we know Polozius might be a real ambassador.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nimrod's Son View Post
    I think without firm evidence that Dave the person ever existed, he shouldn't get an appearance. (We stopped counting Polozius after it was revealed to be Z, after all, but for all we know Polozius might be a real ambassador.)
    That's actually quite a good point. Should we make a rule that no character gets appearances counted unless they actually appear at least once in the flesh?
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    Eyepatched Airship Crewman (+3)
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    Both links are redirected to strip 392, but there is only one character with Five-o'clock shadow and eyepatch. A case of double-counting?
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    Eyepatched Airship Crewman (+3)
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    Both links are redirected to strip 392, but there is only one character with Five-o'clock shadow and eyepatch. A case of double-counting?
    I had to look up "five o'clock shadow" and just to be clear it appraently means "designer stuubble". I don't have the material referred to by the red numbers but this looks like a mistake to me.

    Also there is a female pirate with a blue bandana with white spots. She appears in panels 5, 8 of #391 and panel 12 of #392 . As far as I can see she is not listed at all but should be in the main listing with two appearances.[EDIT: not to be confused with the "Blue Bandana'ed sailor of #479.]
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    If no one objects, I'll delete one of them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mad Humanist View Post
    Also there is a female pirate with a blue bandana with white spots. She appears in panels 5, 8 of #391 and panel 12 of #392 . As far as I can see she is not listed at all but should be in the main listing with two appearances.[EDIT: not to be confused with the "Blue Bandana'ed sailor of #479.]
    She is already listed as "Airship crewwoman", with 2 appearances.
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    The "Sabine as evil queen" listing appears to be wrong. It links to 821 when I think you meant 892.

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    I deleted it.

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    The "Sabine as evil queen" listing appears to be wrong. It links to 821 when I think you meant 892.
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