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    Default Doctor Who thread IV: "Would you like a jelly baby?" [SPOILERS]

    For the discussion of Doctor Who.

    First thread.
    Second thread.
    Third thread.

    Obviously the primary topic of discussion is the current series (One episode into the second half of series 7 as of this post), but discussion of past series, both of Nu Who and Classic Who is also a thing which happens quite a bit.

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    Season 6
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    3: 'The Invasion' 1/8, 2/8, 3/8 part one, part two, 4/8 part one, part two, 5/8, 6/8, 7/8, 8/8
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    4: 'Genesis of the Daleks' 1/6, 2/6, 3/6, 4/6, 5/6, 6/6
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    Nu Who
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    Season 1 - retrospective
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    1: 'Rose'
    2: 'The End of the World'
    3: 'The Unquiet Dead'
    4: 'Aliens of London' (1/2)
    5: 'World War III' (2/2)
    6: 'Dalek'
    7: 'The Long Game'
    8: 'Father's Day'
    9: 'The Empty Child' (1/2)
    10: 'The Doctor Dances' (2/2)
    11: 'Boom Town'
    12: 'Bad Wolf' (1/2)
    13: 'The Parting of the Ways' (2/2)

    Christmas Episode: 'The Christmas Invasion'

    Season 2 - retrospective
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    Brief Whole Series Retrospective
    1: 'New Earth'
    2: 'Tooth and Claw'
    3: 'School Reunion'
    4: 'The Girl in the Fireplace'
    5: 'Rise of the Cybermen' (1/2)
    6: 'The Age of Steel' (2/2)
    7: 'The Idiot's Lantern'
    8: 'The Impossible Planet' (1/2)
    9: 'The Satan Planet' (2/2)
    10: 'Love and Monsters'
    11: 'Fear Her'
    12: 'Army of Ghosts' (1/2)
    13: 'Doomsday' (2/2) GOODBYE ROSE!
    Charity Special: 'Doctor Who: Children in Need'
    Christmas Episode: 'The Runaway Bride'

    Season 3 - blind bar Moffat
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    1: 'Smith and Jones'
    2: 'The Shakespeare Code'
    3: 'Gridlock'
    4: 'Daleks in Manhattan' (1/2)
    5: 'Evolution of the Daleks' (2/2)
    6: 'The Lazarus Experiment'
    7: '42'
    8: 'Human Nature' (1/2)
    9: 'The Family of Blood' (2/2)
    10: 'Blink'
    11: 'Utopia' (1/3)
    12: 'The Sound of the Drums' (2/3)
    13: 'The Last of the Time Lords' (3/3)
    Children in Need 2007 episode: 'Time Crash'
    2007 Christmas Episode: 'Voyage of the Damned'

    Bits and Bobs
    Retrospective - to be written later
    Why I Do Not Like Martha/Ten (This was written between my write ups of ep. 8 and ep 9)

    Season Four blind bar Moffat
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    1: 'Partners in Crime'
    2: 'The Fires of Pompeii'
    3: 'Planet of the Ood'
    4: 'The Sontaran Stratagem' (1/2)
    5: ‘The Poison Sky‘ (2/2)
    6: ‘The Doctor‘s Daughter‘ Two part review.
    7: 'The Unicorn and the Wasp'
    8: 'Silence in the Library' (1/2)
    9: 'Forest of the Dead' (2/2)
    10: 'Midnight'
    11: 'Turn Left' (1/3)
    12: 'The Stolen Earth' (2/3)
    13: 'Journey's End' (3/3)

    The Specials]
    1: 'The Next Doctor'
    2: 'Planet of the Dead'
    3: 'The Waters of Mars'
    4: 'The End of Time' (1/2)
    5: 'The End of Time' (2/2)


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    1: 'The Eleventh Hour' (including 'Meanwhile in the TARDIS 1')
    2: 'The Beast Below'
    3: 'Victory of the Daleks'
    4: 'The Time of the Angels' (1/2)
    5: 'Flesh and Stone' (2/2) (including 'Meanwhile in the TARDIS 2')
    6: 'The Vampires of Venice'
    7: 'Amy's Choice'
    8: 'The Hungry Earth' (1/2)
    9: 'Cold Blood' (2/2)
    10: 'Vincent and the Doctor'
    11: 'The Lodger' (bar the angels this was the first episode I saw)
    12: 'The Pandorica Opens' (1/2)
    13: 'The Big Bang' (2/2)
    Christmas Episode: 'A Christmas Carol'


    Season 6
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    To to things this series was split in two, as such eps. 8 - Christmas episode will be liveblogged, and the first seven will be written with me having seen them before.
    1: 'The Impossible Astronaut' (1/2)
    2: 'Day of the Moon' (2/2)
    3: 'The Curse of the Black Spot'
    4: 'The Doctor's Wife' HELL YEAH!
    5: 'The Rebel Flesh' (1/2)
    6: 'The Almost People' (2/2)
    7: 'A Good Man Goes to War'
    8: 'Let's Kill Hitler'
    9: 'Night Terrors'
    10: 'The Girl Who Waited'
    11: 'The God Complex'
    12: 'Closing Time'
    13: 'The Wedding of River Song'

    Red Nose Day Specials: 'Space'/'Time'
    2011 Christmas Special: 'The Doctor, The Widow and the Wardrobe'


    Season 7
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    1: 'Asylum of the Daleks'
    2: 'Dinosaurs On A Spaceship'
    3: 'A Town Called Mercy'
    4: 'The Power of Three'
    5: 'The Muppets Take Manhattan'
    'P.S.'
    'The Great Detective' CiN minisode
    'Vastra Investigates' minisode
    2012 Christmas episode: 'The Snowman'
    6: 'The Bells of St. John' (and 'Prequel')
    7: 'The Rings of Akhaten'
    8: 'Cold War'
    9: 'Hide'
    10: 'Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS'
    11: 'The Crimson Horror'
    12: 'Nightmare in Silver'
    13: 'The Name of the Doctor'


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    Things that don't really fit anywhere.

    'Good As Gold' Second Blue Peter scriptwriting competition for Doctor Who
    The Lost Episodes: A Very Brief History


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    Finally, to quote River Song: "Spoilers." Obviously this thread is for discussing the series, so spoilers will abound. That said, I would ask that discussion of each new episode be spoilered for at least a few hours - maybe as much as a day - after the English broadcast, to allow for Americans being in a different time zone and people lagging a bit behind.
    If you're aware of people in-thread who haven't seen certain episodes further back than what's currently being broadcast, you may wish to spoiler things for their benefit (e.g. we refer to Curly-spoilers as 'Curlers' since she's a prolific reviewer), but such things are left to your discretion and those people should be aware they risk spoilers by reading this thread.

    If anyone thinks there should be any additional resources or whatever in this OP, suggest them in-thread (I'm also going to have a think and may add some stuff myself). Discussion may now resume!
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    Default Re: Doctor Who thread IV: "Would you like a jelly baby?" [SPOILERS]

    If you give me a little while, I should be able to send you an updated and slightly cleaned up archive.

    Edit:I should make a proper entrance into this thread.
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    Default Re: Doctor Who thread IV: "Would you like a jelly baby?" [SPOILERS]

    Going to have to split this. You'll see why, so please hold off posting until I've made the second post thanks.

    Koorly's Doctor Who Review Archive:
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    4. ‘The Two Doctors’ 1/3, 2/3, 3/3

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    Ep. 1 'Rose'
    Ep. 2 'The End of the World'
    Ep. 3 'The Unquiet Dead'
    Ep. 4: 'Aliens of London' (1/2)
    Ep. 5: 'World War III' (2/2)
    Ep. 6: 'Dalek'
    Ep. 7: 'The Long Game'
    Ep. 8: 'Father's Day'
    Ep. 9: 'The Empty Child' (1/2)
    Ep. 10: 'The Doctor Dances' (2/2)
    Ep. 11: 'Boom Town'
    Ep. 12: 'Bad Wolf' (1/2)
    Ep. 13: 'The Parting of the Ways' (2/2)

    Christmas Episode: 'The Christmas Invasion'

    Season 2 - retrospective
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    Brief Whole Series Retrospective
    Ep. 1: 'New Earth'
    Ep. 2: 'Tooth and Claw'
    Ep. 3: 'School Reunion'
    Ep. 4: 'The Girl in the Fireplace'
    Ep. 5: 'Rise of the Cybermen' (1/2)
    Ep. 6: 'The Age of Steel' (2/2)
    Ep. 7: 'The Idiot's Lantern'
    Ep. 8: 'The Impossible Planet' (1/2)
    Ep. 9: 'The Satan Planet' (2/2)
    Ep. 10: 'Love and Monsters'
    Ep. 11: 'Fear Her'
    Ep. 12: 'Army of Ghosts' (1/2)
    Ep. 13: 'Doomsday' (2/2) GOODBYE ROSE!
    Charity Special: 'Doctor Who: Children in Need'
    Christmas Episode: 'The Runaway Bride'

    Season 3 - blind bar Moffat
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    Ep. 1: 'Smith and Jones'
    Ep. 2: 'The Shakespeare Code'
    Ep. 3: 'Gridlock'
    Ep. 4: 'Daleks in Manhattan' (1/2)
    Ep. 5: 'Evolution of the Daleks' (2/2)
    Ep. 6: 'The Lazarus Experiment'
    Ep. 7: '42'
    Ep. 8: 'Human Nature' (1/2)
    Ep. 9: 'The Family of Blood' (2/2)
    Ep. 10: 'Blink'
    Ep. 11: 'Utopia' (1/3)
    Ep. 12: 'The Sound of the Drums' (2/3)
    Ep. 13: 'The Last of the Time Lords' (3/3)
    Children in Need 2007 episode: 'Time Crash'
    2007 Christmas Episode: 'Voyage of the Damned'

    Bits and Bobs
    Retrospective - to be written later
    Why I Do Not Like Martha/Ten (This was written between my write ups of ep. 8 and ep 9)

    Season Four blind bar Moffat
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    Ep. 1: 'Partners in Crime'
    Ep. 2: 'The Fires of Pompeii'
    Ep. 3: 'Planet of the Ood'
    Ep. 4: 'The Sontaran Stratagem' (1/2)
    Ep. 5: ‘The Poison Sky‘ (2/2)
    Ep. 6: ‘The Doctor‘s Daughter‘ Two part review.
    Ep. 7: 'The Unicorn and the Wasp'
    Ep. 8: 'Silence in the Library' (1/2)
    Ep. 9: 'Forest of the Dead' (2/2)
    Ep. 10: 'Midnight'
    Ep. 11: 'Turn Left' (1/3)
    Ep. 12: 'The Stolen Earth' (2/3)
    Ep. 13: 'Journey's End' (3/3)

    The Specials]
    1: 'The Next Doctor'
    2: 'Planet of the Dead'
    3: 'The Waters of Mars'
    4: 'The End of Time' (1/2)
    5: 'The End of Time' (2/2)


    Season 5 - blind bar Moffat's Angels
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    Ep. 1: 'The Eleventh Hour' (including 'Meanwhile in the TARDIS 1')
    Ep. 2: 'The Beast Below'
    Ep. 3: 'Victory of the Daleks'
    Ep. 4: 'The Time of the Angels' (1/2)
    Ep. 5: 'Flesh and Stone' (2/2) (including 'Meanwhile in the TARDIS 2')
    Ep. 6: 'The Vampires of Venice'
    Ep. 7: 'Amy's Choice'
    Ep. 8: 'The Hungry Earth' (1/2)
    Ep. 9: 'Cold Blood' (2/2)
    Ep. 10: 'Vincent and the Doctor'
    Ep. 11: 'The Lodger' (bar the angels this was the first episode I saw)
    Ep. 12: 'The Pandorica Opens' (1/2)
    Ep. 13: 'The Big Bang' (2/2)
    Christmas Episode: 'A Christmas Carol'


    Season 6
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    To to things this series was split in two, as such eps. 8 - Christmas episode will be liveblogged, and the first seven will be written with me having seen them before.
    Ep. 1: 'The Impossible Astronaut' (1/2)
    Ep. 2: 'Day of the Moon' (2/2)
    Ep. 3: 'The Curse of the Black Spot'
    Ep. 4: 'The Doctor's Wife' HELL YEAH!
    Ep. 5: 'The Rebel Flesh' (1/2)
    Ep. 6: 'The Almost People' (2/2)
    Ep. 7: 'A Good Man Goes to War'
    Ep. 8: 'Let's Kill Hitler'
    Ep. 9: 'Night Terrors'
    Ep. 10: 'The Girl Who Waited'
    Ep. 11: 'The God Complex'
    Ep. 12: 'Closing Time'
    Ep. 13: 'The Wedding of River Song'

    Red Nose Day Specials: 'Space'/'Time'
    2011 Christmas Special: 'The Doctor, The Widow and the Wardrobe'


    Season 7
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    Liveblogged unless otherwise mentioned.

    Ep. 1: 'Asylum of the Daleks'
    Ep. 2: 'Dinosaurs On A Spaceship'
    Ep. 3: 'A Town Called Mercy'
    Ep. 4: 'The Power of Three'
    Ep. 5: 'The Muppets Take Manhattan'
    'P.S.'
    'The Great Detective' CiN minisode
    'Vastra Investigates' minisode
    2012 Christmas episode: 'The Snowman'


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    Things that don't really fit anywhere.

    'Good As Gold' Second Blue Peter scriptwriting competition for Doctor Who



    And now, to boldly go where many have gone before. [*cue TOS theme (Such a awesome introduction)*]

    'The Two Doctors' part 1/3 (season 22, serial 4)
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    This is a Train Chain Review. I am on the train, with no internet, and in four and a half hours I’ve read through roughly two hundred and fifty thousand words of story. So, having prepared in advance I brought Doctor Who DVDs with me for such an occasion. And then at the mini-meetup I bought more. So in a blind grab I picked this.

    Honestly, I’m kind of looking forward to it! It’s an anniversary multi-Doctor story with Two and Jamie in it! I know nothing about Six or what Companion he has, but you know, people say Six’s reign wasn’t very good, but in the special this is awesome way. Sometimes. Also, the person across the aisle from me is watching ‘The Bells of St. John’, which, I must admit, I did see on Saturday. So.

    The idea behind a Chain Train Review is thus: I have no recourse to research, only what is on the DVD case and the knowledge in my own head. No internet also means no screenshots, although I may take them and just upload them when I get home. Think of it as a liveblog, but without the really long introduction at the beginning. This serial is also only two hours long, so it may just run as one full length thingy, I don’t know, Im making it up as I go, but I have a little over three hours until I get home.

    Before we actually push play let’s glean what little info I can from the DVD:
    1) There’s a socking great Sontaran dead centre of the cover art, so I may hazard a guess at the villains being Sontarans.
    2) It stars Patrick Troughton and Colin Baker as the Doctor - Two and Six respectively. Additionally: the back tells me my beloved Jamie and this chick called Peri are our Companions. Peri looks a bit like a hippie on the mini-bio in the fold-out sheet thing. Jamie looks adorable.
    3) There’s some chick called Jacqueline in it who was an evil person in Blake’s 7, so she’s probably evil here too because when you cast as the villain in one sci-fi show, you’re eternally contracted to be a sci-fi villain. Unless you’re Simon Pegg.
    4) Peter Moffatt (possible relation?) is the director. I, however, recognise him, not from his Doctor Who work, but from the fact that he directed All Creatures Great and Small which was an amazing TV show (coincidentally starring Peter Davison) and probably no on outside of Britain has ever heard of that show before, which is a shame.
    5) JNT was producer. This guy’s famous for killing Doctor Who, so this may mean the story isn’t good even though my Two and Jamie are in it. Then again: Robert Holmes wrote it. Robert Holmes is a god amongst Doctor Who writers who wrote (or script edited)many classic stories.
    6) This DVD contains a funny aneurysm moment in the form of an entire special feature: ‘A Fix With Sontarans’ involving Jimmy Saville. I believe we can all say that the less said about this better.
    7) To counteract that: the back rather amusingly shows a Sontaran covered in silly string. Or snot.

    On with the show!

    Christ, Six’s theme is jarring. And could someone remind me why children are permitted to travel on trains again. It’s mostly the visuals with the creepy stalker smile; the music’s quite good actually.

    Oh Jamie and Two! And it’s even in black and white and look at the kilt. They’re admiring a doodad on the - okay colour. That was a nice transition, even if it was accompanied by that magic twinkly whoosh noise. My Patrick Troughton has gone grey.

    J: “Look at the size of that one Doctor.”

    D2: “Yes, that is a big one.” And people wonder why I ship. Colour Jamie is in colour and also disconcerting. Imagine how bad it must have been for the people who grew up with black-and-white Two.

    Who’s Victoria? What’s graphology? Is this an in-joke?

    And a teleport control magically appeared on the TARDIS console. Can Time Lords do that? Two says so. But. I. What. Is this a thing that happened? Time Lords makign Two do things I mean, I know they asked/made Four do things. D2: “You’d think I’d never flown a TARDIS solo.” This line is much funnier when you realise that Nine through Eleven have been rather poor drivers. Pilots. Captains. Our Retro Boys are going to sneak in because D2: “Think of the commotion Jamie! […] They’ll all want my autograph.” Oh smug Two is awesome Two.

    Who’s Dastari? I dunno. What’s “conterminous time”. I don’t think conterminous is a real word.

    D2: “Oh, Jamie, don’t go wandering off. Stay with me.”

    J: “Do I ever?” Wander off? Yes. Stay? Shrugs. Also, your sarcasm is adorable. Oh, and FORESHADOWING: that recall disc is important.

    Dastari looks like a very camp pirate. And he’s a chef? Okay, he’s Shockeye. And a chef person. And an androgum. They greatly respect Time Lords it seems.

    And humans are called Telluriums. uhhhhh wut. Sorry? wat

    Okay, I’ll transcribe this exchange for you. S: “Is it [Jamie] a gift for Dastari?”

    D2: “A gift?!”

    S: “Such a soft white skin, whispering of a tender succulence! Dastari will not appreciate its qualities you know. He has no sensual refinement. Let me buy it from you.” Jamie’s face through this is as you can expect: w.t.f. mate.

    D2:”My Companion is not for sale!”

    And throughout this scene the pirate-chef is fondling his knife in a rather suggestive fashion. And I know that the pirate-chef wants to cook Jamie (no) but. DID YOU READ THAT. That entire sequence is suggestive of sex slavery. The softness of the skin, the sensual nature necessary to appreciate such a tender ware? It sincerely doesn’t help that the pirate is all in pink and gold, with flowers on his cap and fluffy peach eyebrows (Still not as camp as Captain Shakespeare though). And when you combine it with the earlier ‘look at the size of that’ moment. Well. It all looks rather suspect. Annnnd, ironically, the slave trade is another type of meat market, so there. This is deliberate. It amuses me.

    And then you remember that special feature . . .

    Frankly, I’d rather there’s some pseudo-cannibalism (insomuch as that Dastari probably isn’t human, but likely humanoid) than sex slavery. I wish I could say that was a new sentence for me, but it’s not.

    And then Two brandishes a cucumber (phallic symbol, phallic symbol (I feel so dirty for quoting that remake)) and the pirate while saying “You get on with your butchery!” But as Jamie sidles past the pirate stares after him with either a longing look or an obsessed look. And - oh gods what. S: “Ooooh . . . I can just taste that flesh!” before burying his knife into some meat. A chicken specifically.

    This is why Doctor Who is some of the most homoerotic stuff to air on British telelvision; though probably you could claim it was showing homosexuality (male and female) in a negative light because of the stereotypical and creepy way the pirate was acting.

    But Lazy Review isn’t being lazy.

    Cut to generic grey corridors. And someone running. Jamie got lost. And was creeped out by him. No wonder. Also Androgums are all servants here.

    The TARDIS went bye bye. Oh dear.

    And then there’s some lady in silver robes (Jacqueline Pierce?) who wanted the TARDIS to give to some allies, but personally she couldn’t care less as she has the Kartz-Reimer module. So it’s better than the Type 40 of our TARDIS? Or not. It’s a thing the Time Lords want maybe.

    Can’t get over the pirate-chef’s eyebrows. He clearly dyed them. Who’s Stike? Calgesic? Is that a drug?

    Is Stike a Sontaran?!

    Okay, she’s not Dastari. And the pirate-chef does truly enjoy cooking and serving people. Also, whatever Calgesic is, I think it’s a poison because there was evil gloating.

    Oh my. Eighties shades and a metallic colour jumpsuit! I mean, you know how stylists are shown on TV? Imagine something like that. And the Doctor knew Dastari because he was exiled. And became a freelance dude for them.

    Hehe. The Time Lord’s policy “has been one of strict neutrality”. The Daleks would like to disagree with you there. And your later incarnations. Like Ten. He near wet himself at the prospect of finding more Time Lords. Although Eleven was happy to find the Corsair so.

    (Oh right. This place. Whatever. Is a science for science sake place. I imagine it’s like Aperture, but saner.) Third Zone government?

    Okay . . . The Doctor was unofficially sent to Aperture to do science with the scientists. By stopping science. That Kartz-Reimer thing is a time travel thing. So hello lampshade about hypocrisy!

    Ah, Silver Robes is called Chessy. The Doctor seems a bit concerned because he refuses the offer of refreshments saying “One meal a day is sufficient.” Pouty Jamie is cute.

    Okay, she’s an Androgum too. Technoligically augmented.

    Dear Doctor Who (and Dastari),
    You are aware that the Eugenics Wars of the Trek verse arose because of augmented beings no? And that, more generally, things that are rated “mega genius” and have been ‘designed’/’created’ by others tend to rebel against their masters. Especially when said creation is a living, thinking being who is your servant.

    Yours,
    A Nerd.

    This Chess chick has been augmented nine times, and the Doctor really doesn’t seem to like that. Androgum energy? What’s an Androgum’s nature? D2: “Give a monkey control of its world and it’ll fill it full of bananas.” Ehm. That’s a little . . . Er. I thought the Doctor was all for advancing civilisations and species if it was good for them. And if these Androgums are basically indentured servants - a species of slaves . . . Or what. Is this going to be like Feet of Clay all over again?

    My, the soil is ridiculously red around . . . Wherever my trains travelling through.

    Dastari too, wonders why the Doctor’s against his work (I think if the person is willing, and the procedure is reasonably safe it’s fine. Ish.), but then “Doctor, our races have become tired and effete.” Admittedly, the two men who aren’t Our Boys look very camp. “Our seed is thin.” Seed. Snerk. “We must hand the baton of progress to others. If I can raise the Androgums to a higher plane of consciousness [no offence mate, but they are sentient creatures, just because they’re not bred to be geniuses doesn’t mean you can treat them like a lower species] there’s no limit to what that boiling energy could do.”

    why do you keep talking about energy?! What energy! You do realise with all the sex/homoerotic talk going on all I can think is that the Androgums must be excellent in bad and have marvellous stamina!

    Why is it stupid to augment someone smarter? Loving how Jamie’s standing in the background all po-faced, arms crossed and nodding,

    There’s a dude looking at circles on a screen. The dude looks very ill. And then there are balls! Three spinning balls. And male!Majel kindly tells us they are Sontaran battle ships and their intent is hostile. Must be Strike.

    And yes, Chess just turned off the human. And let the Sontarans in.

    Hello pretty girl in a bikini suit. Six doesn’t like . . .Peri? Peri. Chucking rocks to make sure she doesn’t kill herself diving. He sounds really prissy, but maybe he just really likes fish.

    What is your accent Peri? American? Because no.

    RASSILON!

    The Doctor is fishing. And referencing Rassilon. The quotation of Rassilon.

    Peri has big boobs, a bare midriff and possibly fake tan on her legs. And they’re talking about fish. Admittedly, lumberjack for dinner sounds so tempting. And here I am eating some prohibitively expensive -

    I bet it’s a boot.

    Okay, it’s tiny. And quite ugly.

    - tuna sandwich. You know, I quite like six. Bit cranky, but pretty nice. Peri though, can die in a fire. It’s the accent! Also her top is horrible.

    Awkward cut to Aperture and there’s technoTreknobabble about how this Time Lord module is very dangerous. But Dastari points out the Time Lords probably don’t want anyone else to have time travel tech.

    The Daleks have time travel tech. And Captain Jack Harkness/River Song/others had the little wrist watch of time travel, safe to say they failed. Still, Dastari has a point, and given the awkward way the Doctor shifts when Dastari points how the TARDIS was removed from Arperture - to stop Those Two Guys from looking at it, he’s probably right.

    Jamie, get your hands off your crotch/sporran. Plot is happening, and eye candy is distracting from the two old guys bickering about letting scientist do science freely. Insert a political thing about politicians seizing independent researchers work for their own benefit here.

    Basically, both guys have good points: the Doctor’s right about the space-time space thing being important to maintain, but Dastari’s right about the Time Lords acting unethically and for their own benefit too.

    Oh Jamie. “I’m just admiring your diplomatic skills, Doctor.” Don’t you worry about your hairy legs, you’re lovely just the way you are. Also, Dastari’s dead now. And Jamie doesn’t speak in an “appalling mongrel dialect”! Don’t be mean.

    J: “I mean he’s gone to sleep.”

    D”: “He’s no’ asleep - “ Jamie’s points and does the ‘ah!’ face as the Doctor glances at him. “He’s not asleep Jamie.” Because he’s dead. Fine, just drugged.

    Also gunfire. And the Doctor tells Jamie to run from the Sontaran in the doorway.

    Now we’re will Six. That coat really is something. I think the Doctor’s on a fishing holiday.

    God Peri, cover yourself up.

    D6: “I haven’t felt at all myself lately.” Is it because the backstage antics have meant that your character’s been warped in entirely the wrong direction? “This rege . . . Regen . . “ Then he falls flat on his face and starts sneeze/choking.

    Probably because the Sontarans are gassing Two to death. Sad face. It’s heartbreaking. And poor Jamie’s trying to get in and save him!

    Shame the pirate-chef comes around the corner. “Oooh. Quiet boy. Easy! Shockeye will not hurt you.” As he backs Jamie into a corner. Again: pervy. And all Jamie has to defend himself is a knife. “Oooh, we are wild aren’t we?”

    Okay, the pirate-chef and Chess are leaving to a ship. And the pirate-chef is still obsessed with cooking. Anyway, these two don’t care where they’re going, so Shockeye wants to go to Earth. “I have a desire to taste one of these beasts. The meat looks so white and roundsomely layered on the bone - a sure sign of a tasty animal.”

    C: “YOu think of nothing but your stomach, Shockeye.” Or another organ.

    S: “The gratification of pleasure is the sole motive of action.” Yeah, going to start ignoring everything that comes out of your mouth because you sound like you’d rape and eat someone. Hopefully in that order. But you’re too colourful to be a Reaver, so that’s something positive. “Is that not our law.”

    C: “I still accept it, but there are pleasures other than the purely sensual.” Now I’m beginning to see why augmenting an Androgum might be a bad idea.

    S: “Fortunately, I have not been augmented.”

    C: “Take care. Your purity could easily become insufferable.”

    Then there’s some stuff about Andrgum culture, and she’s some kind of princess or something, but she has a Vision. And all I can think is that her hair is so very eighties.

    Still want to strangle Peri. Six fainted and now he’s . . . all peculiar? He’s after celery (Five!) "[A]nd the tensile strength of jelly babies. But I . . . I had a clarinet, Or was it a flute? Something you blew into.” Well, you certainly blew something all right.

    The TARDIS’ circuits. And Jamie. D6: “A recorder! […] I was being put to death!” So time paradox. He exists so he wasn’t killed. He’s a temporal tautology. Whatever that is. :/

    P: “Circular logic only makes you dizzy […] Perhaps you should see a doctor! [… I]t was just a suggestion.” Peri, you and your headband and your teeth grindingly irritating accent and your boobs can go away now. I think you might be one of the least like Companions for all that you’re rather pretty.

    The Doctor has business cards for Archimedes, Brunel, Christopher Columbus, Dante, Da Vinci and Dastari amongst others. Ehm. Archimedes was a philosopher/inventor chappie, hardly a Doctor; Brunel might have been a Doctor. Of Engineering. Dante’s a poet. Columbus is an explorer famous for getting lost. Da Vinci was an all-round genius though.

    Oh. Aperture is formally known as Space Station Camera (pronounced cam-air-er, not cam-er-ah).

    Rho mesons. Are they real things? Are they unstable elements in pin galaxies. Which are galaxies in an atom. That exist for an atto-second. Ah. Mumbo jumbo.

    D6 (I feel like I’m in a very strange tabletop game): “You know, I’m glad I thought up that idea […] Getting medical help!” Bit smug, but I’ve seen other Doctors do the same thing.

    Aperture looks fancy. Amazing special effects those.

    And now they’re in Aperture, but later than Our Retro Boys were. Everything’s mouldy. And Peri doesn’t seem to know why. Then again, bit of black humour adding “[a]nd corpses.” Oh gross. Come on! “Fruit-soft flesh peeling from white bones. The unholy, unburiable smell of Armageddon.” What’s with the meat hate?

    I can’t keep my eyes off of Peri’s boobs.

    Also: growling thing.

    And laser bolt holes still smoking. Hey wait. If it was a recent fight, why is everything rotting so badly? And great, Peri’s still coming along.

    And male!Majel speaks up saying that the tech researched here threatened the Time Lords and the usual computer-in-an-abandoned-facility stuff. About which the Doctor is remarkably blasé.

    Doctor, stop pointing at Peri’s boobs when you tell her to come along.

    Beeping noises. Places are being depressurised, which I’m pretty sure is bad. Yep. Death. Fortunately, the Doctor’s got a door jack thing.

    And Peri faints. MY FIRST FAINTING COMPANION! Booyah! And then the door opens, the camera being on the other side so we can get a nice fan service shot of Peri’s shorts hugging her curvy rear. Worthless woman.

    And now we’re in a place that has Spanish guitar music (with electronic stuff too).

    Hey, how does Chess know there’re people in that building? Is she spykick? And why is it that the pseudo-cannibal is the comic relief villain? And Chess appears to eat human flesh too. Le sigh. I knew I’d need a cannibalism tag in my photobucket eventually. (The woman is old bee tea dubs)

    Back to Aperture. Dastari hates computers

    And everyone’s dead Dave. Peri. TO be honest, Dave’s probably smarter than Peri. Six continues in his belief that a gathering a researchers for research’s sake could harm no one (which is extremely idealistic, even for the Doctor).

    The lights are on because the computer’s lost them. Can’t they track heartbeats? As opposed to foot heat.

    If Jamie’s dead I’m rage quitting.

    D6: “Think of it has a game between it and us.” Would. You. Like. To play. A. Game. Noughts and Crosses perhaps? I’m sure that film came out a year or so before this serial was aired (Feb, 1985).

    Ugh. Peri. And Six catches up with what Two already knows. Question: this was clearly written after he rejected Two’s request/demand for Those Two Guys to stop their research. But almost immediately after that he collapsed into a drugged/dead state. So where did this entry come from? Or was Two the second messenger?

    6: “[The Time Lords] would commit never such an atrocity! The use of force is alien to Time Lord. nature” Um. Er. Doctor: you are a Time Lord. You commit violence and blackmail and often force people to do things against their will. And when you were Four the Time Lords asked that you prevent the Daleks from ever being created! That is: genociding an entire race before they could commit atrocities! You yourself (as Two) admitted that your freedom came at the cost of running errands for the Time Lords so they could use plausible deniability to save face and maintain their neutrality. You have openly admitted to Time Lords as a whole being fond of manipulation and back-handed force. Or do you not remember being blackmailed into even thinking of genociding the Daleks in the first place?!

    P: “Perhaps they felt the ends justified the means.” And a sensible thought from someone who strikes me as not much smarter than your average squirrel. “That’s always the excuse for something bad.” And something cynical yet true about human nature! “[…]Maybe someone’s setting the Time Lords up?” Another one! I may have only known Peri for half an hour, but until this point in time, I never thought of her as observant or smart.

    6: “YOu know, sometimes young Peri, you make amazingly shrewd remarks.” And neither did the Doctor.

    Where’s Jamie?

    So yeah. Politics and whatnot. And the Doctor, of course, wants to find out why. And was so intrigued by the idea that he forgot about their homicidal computer friend.

    There’s going to be duct crawling isn’t there? And Peri has the constitution of a very temperamental tropical plant.

    The Doctor needs a piece of wire. Well, Peri’s clearly wearing a push up underwired bra, get her to strip off camera while you’re looking the other way and Bob’s your uncle. Death by dehydration? Will take three days on average.

    Oh look, Six has a banana in his pocket too. And destroys modern art. Good taste.

    Spain? Virgin Mary statue. Very old lady genuflecting before her. And a rose for the Virgin. Oh no, it’s a blind old religious lady.

    Oh hey. Actual Spanish. I think she’s a real proper Spanish person. And the subtitles are in Spanish too. Something along the lines of ‘Is there someone there?’ I presume. Sadly, it’s the pirate-chef. Oh good, she’s bilingual, less butchering of the Spanish (hahahahaha) for me. And now she’s unconscious as the pirate-chef makes some guttural and oddly pervy growling noises. Also, that Sontarans face looks like it’s caving in somewhat.

    Need to stop to eat an actual dinner.

    So duct crawling it is, and that meat doesn’t look very rotten. And now that the lights are on you can see dead people.

    HOW DO YOU KNOW AN ANDROGUM WHEN YOU SEE ONE?

    And on an old set for Red Dwarf there’s dust. And the Doctor’s getting head pains. Off to the control centre.

    Where’s Jamie.

    And for that matter: how’s this a two Doctor story without two Doctors?

    More growling from the growling thing.

    And Spain. Varl is setting up a homing beacon to bring Sontarans to earth and Chess thinks discretion is the better part of valour because overpopulation.

    S: “By the time I leave it madam, that may not be a problem.” He must have a massive appetite to want to devour some four billion humans. Also, dude: you’re face is red. Oh, and the Spanish lady’s dead now.

    Okay. C: “This region of the planet is called Andalucía [with correct Spanish pronunciation]. We are four kilometres from the city of city [or two and a half miles in proper measurements] of Seville [where Bugs Bunny works as a barber].”

    Oh no. Please don’t talk religion. Also, the dead lady was called Dona Arrana.

    S: “I am not interested in the beliefs of primitives, only what they taste like!” And in the cultural wossname that follows the fact that they eat other thinking species (primitives) is reinforced. Also, "that foreign filth injected into you by Dastari” while obviously referring to science! sends my mind in an entirely wrong direction because of the previously mentioned skeevy, unsettlingly sexual scenes.

    And more pipes lit with purple. More scaffolding is being climbed.

    Every time I see Peri and hear her I want to slap her. She’s almost like Rose.

    Science, science, science, and Peri’s too dumb to listen to one noise (growling) while blocking out another noise. Ugh.

    Yeah. Smug Six is annoying. “The province of knowledge is to speak, and it is the privilege of wisdom to listen.”

    P: “Privilege. I can’t tell you how privileged I feel,” It’s a bad thing to make me agree with Peri. Also: yet more growling.

    Is it Jamie? If Jamie’s gone mad I will not be happy. Where’s Jamie? I want my Jamie back.

    Mysterious hooded man. Is he going to appear in one of Tobuscus’ literal trailers?

    More science, but the Doctor understand it so all’s fine. “Blue. You know, I can’t remember what blue stands for.” Bet it’s important. But Peri’s off to the central place of switching off.

    In Spain, Sontaran balls have arrived! Also obviously British tourist is obviously British and a tourist. Whose guide is fond of trespassing on people’s land. In this case, they’re going to get murderlised and eaten because trespassing is evil.

    The pirate-chef is the epitomy of gluttony. But he hates watermelons. And the leader of the Sontarans is arriving. S: “Our leader is Chessene o’ the Franzine Grig.” Whatever that means. One thing I do like (and find frustrating (which in this case is a good thing)) is that often in Doctor Who alien cultural references are often left completely unexplained, or barely sketched out. It makes the universe much richer.

    Oh Stike. He’s the leader.

    Back with the trespassers. Oscar is a moth hunter. A lepidopterist. “Of course, we are a little early. Moths are ladies of the night. Painted beauties sleeping all day and rising at sunset to whisper through the roseate dusk on gossamer wings of damask and silk.”

    One: a lady of the night is a seamstress. A whore. A painted lady. A jezebel. And the reason the sleep all day is because they ply their craft at night. While dressed in damask and silk. Also, as he says the first half of that the camera’s focussed on his lady friend (Anita), so I think this is meant to be a compliment and not-so-oblique hint at what he believes is to come.

    A: “You really like them don’t you Oscar.”

    O: “I adore them!”

    A: “Then why do you kill them?”

    O: “So that I can look at them.” Silence of the Lambs reference please.

    HE HAS A BOX OF CYANIDE. “I’ve used cyanide since I was a boy. It’s quicker and easier on them than ammonia.” And then they’re mounted so he can admire them. Yeah, okay, I know people like that sort of thing, but again, all this weirdly sexual talk makes innocuous topics unnerving.

    Oh, and there’s a Sontaran ball flying towards them. CGI’s not bad for their budget and time.

    Natch, they run after it.

    And now the scientists are mind-controlled by the Sontarans - I say so because I saw Dastari helping a Sontaran carry some other dude.

    Also, Peri found the growly thing’s nest. Is it Jamie? I want Jamie. Well, Peri’s being assaulted by a growly man-shaped thing and as they’re writing on his/its nest the Doctor’s been gassed and is being hung.

    Dark.

    Scream out!

    I like how the two Doctors are credited as different roles. Also, John Stratton plays Shockeye, so I’ll have to Google him later I think. And Lawrence Payne was Dastari.

    Also, since when did Classic Who do forty-five minute episodes?

    Can’t stand Peri; Six isn’t too bad, bit smug, but not overbearingly so (at the moment). Effects and music are quite decent for the time, but the eighties clothing and hair (SIX AND PERI I SEE YOU) are well, bouffant and colourful beyond the extreme. The pirate-chef is creepy and I quite like his performance overall. An interesting premise, and I think the set up is very thorough.

    Could use more Jamie and Two, but are you surprised that I’d demand that? Also: who’s Victoria? Was she pre- or post-Zoe?

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    Don’t know if I’ll get all this done, will have to phone mum in a few stops and that chat will take a while I bet.

    Recap the last minute or so. Yes, let’s see Peri in a rape-look-a-like situation as the Doctor gets hanged again!

    The growly thing hit his head. Another ass shot and Peri doesn’t seem very - the Doctor was hanged and she pulled him down. I’m sure that would kill him faster!

    And he blames Peri for him triggering the gas! Which would have affected a “normal person” for hours. And he wasn’t affected because “I closed my respiratory passage as soon as I detected any danger.” BY BEING HANGED.

    Is it Jamie?

    IT’S JAMIE! JAMIE IS WEARING TROUSERS! And he’s confused because Jamie should be with old him. As if Jamie didn’t have a pre- and post-Doctor life. Also: Six has a cat pin on his lapel. I love cats.

    Jamie isn’t wearing a kilt. Also he’s badly traumatised so he’s forcibly restrained and drugged against his will by two strangers.

    6: “I seem to remember I was always rather fond of Jamie.” Yes. Yes you were. Everyone is fond of Jamie. You, however, were in love with Jamie. Don’t deny it.

    Oh God. 6: “His nervous system was temporarily paralysed. He’ll be fine eventually.” THing is? Your lungs need your nerves to work correctly in order to breathe. Pretty sure of that. Also Im fairly sure you would lose control of your bowels as the muscles would be unable to control whether to contract or not, so sadly, Jamie has soiled himself. And can speak even though he can’t breathe.

    Jamie’s sleeptalking! That’s cute. Less cute is the fact they killed Two.

    Six thinks Jamie’s slightly nutters, but bemused by how sure of the fact Jamie is.

    P: “Don’t ask me, I don’t understand any of this.” And that’s Peri’s default reply to everything.

    That is a nice pocket watch. So, hypnosis trick. Six catches up with exactly what Two was doing on Aperture.

    Knights? Like Colludon? “They had a sort of armour. Heavy with no necks. And their hands were just two great fingers. They killed everyone. They killed the Doctor! I saw them!” Poor Jamie. All my hugs go to Jamie. I’m collecting hugs for a Make A Traumatised Jamie Fell Better Fund, please deposit your hugs in the box below. Thank you. Seriously, he lost his partner and best friend, had to survive for . . . weeks(?) alone and abandoned on a space station centuries from home with very little food to eat, all the while thinking people could be coming back to hurt him.

    All my hugs Jamie. All my hugs.

    Jesus, the size of the needle Six pulls out of Jamie’s neck! It’s nearly as long as his neck is wide!

    So did Jamie ever see the Sontarans before? Peri certainly hasn’t.

    Don’t go leaving a paralysed and traumatised person on their own! Even if they’re going to be unparalysed soon, you shouldn’t do that! They could choke to death on their own saliva!

    Back in Spain. Joint hallucinations are rejected by the woman. Oscar’s a bit odd, and thinks the ball is an aeroplane, and that if there’s no wreckage it didn’t exist. Or it landed safely. Abject coward. Although he admitted it earlier.

    And afraid of blood.

    So that Anita lady says we forge on ahead even as he suggests calling the police and sundry others. I also don’t like his moustache.

    And he’s an exile? Or something?

    6: “Of course I never thought for a moment it was the Time Lords.” Denial is a river in Egypt too. But at least now I know that he’s alive the diary entry makes more sense. I should trust Robert Holmes more. Even if he hates meat. Or sex. Both. He didn’t know what

    The Time Lords are “rabidly xenophobic” according to Six. And isn’ there another powerful race of rabidly xenophobic time travellers running around too? And I don’t kn - oh, maybe he means the Sontarans are rabidly xenophobic. They’re the ones who hate the Rutans yes?

    Computers computers, ‘no speak’. Can‘t be bothered to read what’s on the screen. I was right, Rutans and Sontarans

    And while people have been murdered, Peri only cares that she looks a mess. Then put some clothes on.

    Also, Six doesn‘t care about Jamie. I didn‘t understand a word of that science. Basically, the Doctor‘s death caused the end of the universe. In a few centuries. So does that mean his death will catch .up to him soon?

    6: “She can’t comprehend. The scale of it all.” She can’t understand the scale of money let alone anything else! But she does care about Jamie, so that’s nice. “Eternal blackness. No more sunsets. No more lumberjacks. Nevermore a butterfly.”

    And Peri#’s dying! YAY! Dastari’s dying? Two? Six? What is this nonsense and is Six going mad?

    No. But Jamie’s awake and sassy so all is well with the world!

    Until Six replays the murder machine recording, thus making Jamie live through seeing his partner and best friend murdered before his eyes. Again. P: “Doctor, it’s horrible! Stop it!”

    Oh, so it’s a faked death. So Two is just kidnapped. Good. J: “So you don’t think the Doctor’s dead? My Doctor?” D’awwwwwww.

    6: “No, I don’t, Jamie.” Y’know, Jamie’s probably been in all the multi-Doctor stories hasn’t he? ‘Three Doctors’ was ten years, so Jamie; ‘Five Doctors’ was Five and everyone and their mothers was in it (except Four). No wonder he’s taking this so well.

    6: “This means my theory about the embolism is wrong. This begins to have all the hallmarks of a conspiracy.”

    P: “What sort of conspiracy?”

    J: “A plot.” Ha. While I love Jamie, I freely admit he’s not the smartest Companion by far, and being a C17th Scotsman probably isn’t all that educated. So Peri, you just got schooled. You really a dumb.

    6: “That’s right, Jamie. A plot to kidnap me and Dastari as well.” Ah, that explains the trousers last episode. Stupid Curly is stupid? Also, nice to see Six is still so fond of Jamie to the point the even compliment Jamie on giving a synonym for ‘conspiracy’ without clarifying what kind of conspiracy he thinks it is.

    Even Six hates Peri.

    Jamie shouldn’t be wearing trousers.

    I HATE AMERICAN ACCENTS. ‘Symbiosis’ is pronounced sim-bee-oh-sis, but sim-by-oh-sis. Also the Sontarans want to steal Time Lord DNA to do things with it. Le sigh. And a certain Ten did something similar, in reverse in that Dalek two-parter from season two.

    So the mind-slip - telepathy. “[A]stral link”?! Okay, I know Eleven did something psychic a few times, but still? He even makes a ‘meditating Vulcan’ pose.

    J: “I think your Doctor’s worse than mine.” Well, it is widely agreed that Six’s reign was not very good, while many people have praise for what remains from Two’s era. However, Six is seen as the best Big Finish Doctor, so swings and roundabouts darling.

    And might I add you look very handsome all dishevelled and smudged up. But please get out of that boiler suit into your normal wear, it’s not you.

    Spain again. Two's unconscious on the operating table. HELLO TWO! Also mostly in grey colours.

    HA! And the first word out of Two’s mouth is “Jamie”. Tell me they’re not in love! Yes, fine, a blurry Dastari could be conceived as looking a little like Jamie, but allow me my beliefs please.

    Plus it’s adorable that even when a Doctor Jamie doesn’t know yells out his name he runs straight to is side even though he can’t touch.

    Well, that was a quick astral travel. Boing? Bells are the clue it seems. Huh, a reference I made earlier was fulfilled unexpectedly. And again. 6: “Can’t quite remember [where we’re meant to be going]. Something to do with getting my hair cut.” followed by the usual snippet. Genius me is genius? Or just obvious reference being there.

    Spain. Supplies are being stashed. I still think Varl’s face is eating itself. Still haven’t seen Stike. Blah, blah, too close to population blah blah.

    Hokay. Chess eats minds, pirate-chef eats bodies. Yum.

    And now it was Stike’s idea to go to Earth for war purposes even though the pirate-chef said it first. Ah, two wishes to go.

    Dastari, stop talking about the Androgums as lesser people. Yes, ruled by their passions and so on, but not entirely ‘lesser’. And I want to know what it is everyone keeps dancing around regarding Chess’s augmentations. Is she or is she not Androgum entirely?

    Oh, and the pirate-chef is our Renfield for the serial. Completely with the eating raw of small mammals. C: “All of our chefs sample their ingredients raw before even heating their cooking pots.”

    Fake rat is obviously fake.

    In the TARDIS. Seville! Not from the operetta, but the boing. And I was right about the imperial measurements too.

    6: “Have you ever been to Seville Peri.”

    P: “No have you?”

    6: “How else would I know the Santa Maria when I hear it? Do use your brain! Small though it is, the human brain can be quite effective when used properly.” Okay, patronising, and normally I don’t like verbal abuse of a Companion, but I can’t stand Peri, and I’ve known her for . . . One hour and two minutes. Thusly, I approve of this insulting reprimand.

    Also, ‘arcane’ Peri, means ‘known or understood by few’, ‘mysterious’, ‘secret’ and so on. What the Doctor just displayed (aside from that he’s very talented at insults) is pub quiz knowledge. H probably learnt it by watching QI. And put your boobs away Peri.

    Oh, so Jamie was only alone for twelve days. Nice to know. And Jamie’s back in his kilt! And the Doctor kept changes of clothes in Jamie’s preferred style for centuries! Tell me again they’re not in a romantic relationship. And he does look dashing. And he has lacy cuffs and a cravat and oh look at you darling.

    6: “You look better for a change of clothes and bath.” Oh he does indeed. I wish I could take a pic, he looks so dapper! You know what, when I do a Wikipedia look up for the pirate-chef and Dastari I’ll add a Jamie!pic too. One can never have enough Jamie. “[…] I’m not crotchety, I’m just . . . Concerned. […] About myself mostly. I mean, him languishing in some dark dungeon at the mercy of Sontarans.” Or rather, a camp 1980s fashion designer.

    Also, the Doctor’s been locked in so many dungeons he can recognise them by sound.

    Heh. Jamie tells off Six for being clumsier than Two at driving, so Six insults himself. His past self. “If anything happens to myself because f it, I will never forgive himself.” And, sad as it may be, I agree with Peri, it’d be easier to understand what he’s saying if he kept to one pronoun. Why else do you think we use numbers Doctor?

    Two wakes up hungover and diagnoses the general type of drug he’d been drugged with.

    Hello Stike! Their lips don’t work very well I’m afraid. Also they’re taller and thinner than the Sontarans of Nu Who.

    2: “Jamie. What have you done with Jamie?!” See? First thing he thinks about after remembering what happened on Aperture is Jamie. Not his fate, but Jamie’s.

    Chess: “You companion is long since dead, Doctor." He begins to freak and get off the table despite it being medically inadvisable. “The Sontarans take no prisoners.”

    Gen S: “Inflexible policy.” And then Two begins to wail “No” quite pitifully and has to be forcibly restrained. "Poor old Jamie.“ Two. Loves. Jamie.

    Also: that’s an experiment table that is; it’s got restraints and everything.

    Away from Two’s mourning, those moth collectors have coincidentally bumped into the TARDIS, whereupon Oscar immediately mistakes Six for a policeman. A policeman officer in an open-necked white short, red and yellow striped trousers and . . . Un unbelievably loud flowered waistcoat. If ever a man looked less like a policeman it’s because he was Kenneth Williams, Freddie Mercury, Dr. Frank-N-Furter or the Joker.

    Oscar Botcherby. Botcherby. Well, if a name dictates your job . . . And how can he think a plane crashed when, as Kryten put it, ‘'There [were] no sounds to hear!”

    Stop looking down Peri’s boobs Oscar. Peri, put your boobs away. That has to be the first time anyone told Six he wore “plain clothes”. Ell Owe Ell.

    Those cicadas are loud. And the scenery is lovely.

    Seriously, a plane crashes when it goes up in fire or hit’s a large surface of water. What this ‘plane’ made was an emergency stop. Also, Oscar has a restaurant? Maybe? He’s a prat.

    Then in the Evil Basement of Science there’s a giant plexiglass crystal thing that is Kratzenburger rhyming module. It sucks because it doesn’t have a stabilisation field, so Dastari says the Time Lords have a psychic link with their TARDISes (which is true) although Two says its guesswork.

    Oh, are they going to take out his brain or something?

    Chess was the lady who figured all that.

    Then there are going to be gruesome experiments on Two to find out where his telepathic centres are? Sadface. I like Two. Hehe. Two thinks Dastari is “totally under Chessene’s domination”.

    So. Dastari plans to give Chess - “an Adrogum, [who]’ll snap off the hand that feeds her whenever she feels hungry” (2) - the secret of time travel to make her a god. Um yeah no. Reavers are bad enough when they can’t time travel thankyouverymuch. While I was all for consensual experimentations earlier, there comes a point where you have to step back and think ‘what if my highly experimental genetic augmentations - that I performed on a member of a species that eats other sentient creatures raw for funsies (and this is seen as perfectly normal, and is in fact, expected from all their chefs) - goes horribly wrong somehow? Maybe I shouldn’t give her Time Lord technology. Just in case.

    That bit of spider web drifting across the screen is distracting.

    D: “I was disappointed when I heard the Time Lords were sending you as their emissary, because I’ve always had a certain regard for you, Doctor, personally,” [why does everyone want to have sex with Two? He’s Jamie’s] “[A]nd the operation will, of necessity, be painful, but . . . […] at least you’ll have the satisfaction knowing you were part of a great undertaking.” And you’ve crossed firmly into true mad scientist territory with that. Where’s the Igor and lightning conductor? Well, I suppose the pirate-chef counts as Igor.

    I’m watching Two in bondage. 2: “Oh my giddy aunt. Oh, crumbs.” Yes. That.

    . . . I think Dastari’s going to perform plastic surgery on Two. Does this mean Dastari was always evil? Or was he subverted into evil over time by Chessene?

    Blah, Stike is impatient, and Dastari’s a cooly impetuous and arrogant mad scientist who orders a General of a warrior race into becoming . . . Well

    2: “Tea-time already nurse.” And this line is so much funnier as I’d met Strax first.

    S: “I do not understand.”

    2: “Well, a face likes yours wasn’t made for laughing.” Bound to an operating table as a Sontaran wheels Science! equipment to his bedside and he snarks. Then he bitches about the Rutans and Sontarans being -

    It really is distracting being the actors lips moving behind the makeup’s lips. Especially seeing as those lips look like they might be in blackface.

    Stike wants the Doctor to tell the Evil Guys the quickest way to get the technobabble in his DNA, natch Two refuses, so Stike hits Two!! You wait ‘til Jamie finds out, and you’ll see why violent Glaswegians are a media trope. Christ. You hit Two! Look at him! He’s short and adorable and a bit of a fuddy duddy and you know he’d be the best uncle ever and you hit him. You are now irredeemable.

    And Two straight up challenges Stike to a duel, calling him a “coward” and “without honour”, which is basically like walking up to a Klingon and telling them that not only do they bring shame to Kahless because they embroider cushions at home, but that there’s no chance of them ever going to Sto’Vo’Kor after death.

    And with that I hang my head in shame.

    Two does too, but not because of me; his plan failed as Stike says non-Sontarans can’t impugn a Sontaran’s honour. So very Klingon.

    Seville: Two’s [[EDIT 30/04/2013: I mean Six. Seems even when referring to the Doctors by numbers you can get mixed up.]] trying to be sneaky. In those clothes. The incidental music is lovely.

    . . . I swear the pirate-chef is wearing lipstick. And is drawing culinary comparisons between humans and Androgums. S: “Now, there cannot be a creature on the planet that humans do not kill and eat.” Well, some. Mostly because they’re usually unreachable or rank. I would say endangered, but you know that right this second someone’s out there negotiating for panda or rhino meat. “Many beasts are bred especially for the table. They are force-fed to improve the flesh, and are penned in small, confined quarters to fatten more rapidly.”

    Question: is Robert Holmes a vegetarian? Only the cannibalistic, sadistic, possibly perverted villain with peachy orange eyebrows, lipstick and a multitude of warts is admiring humanity’s less humane ways of breeding animals for their meat. I think someone’s trying to tell me being an omnivore is wrong. Even though we’re designed to be omnivorous. Also: bacon. Nothing that tastes so delicious can be wrong.

    Still, it fit’s the character, and it doesn’t seem too jarring given that the pirate-chef’s obsession has been more than well-established. And yet he can’t seem to understand cannibalism isn’t done by humans. By ‘civilised’ humans at least. This implies cannibalism amongst Androgums is normal.

    S: “Oohhhh, but a species that is at the top of the food chain, as these creatures are, must develop the finest flavour of all. They have the pick of the planet’s resources and - ” (and by the way, Six is eavesdropping on this, didn’t mention it because dialogue) Besides, everyone knows humans taste rather like pork.

    Six goes undetected even though he was a clumsy clot.

    S: “I must taste a Tellurian soon. A young one, with a good proportion of meat to the bone. I am becoming insane for such a feast.” I am not the only person who substituted boner for ‘boner’ [[EDIT 30/04/2013: well, I certainly did twice]]. All this sexually suggestive dialogue.

    Also, Chess wants to nom on human too. You don’t want to be giving a cannibal time travel now do you? Then again, she and the baby Eating Bishop of Bath and Wells would get on famously with the Androgums.

    Oscar is an actor and restaurant manager.

    Peri, how did you not get grass in down your bra lying down like that?

    Blah blah, Six catches everyone up, and Jamie chimes in that Chess was at Aperture and so on and so forth. 6: “And I was right!” regarding the stupidity of genius-ing up an Androgum. “[H]er nature will remain exactly the same.” Also they’re about as empathetic as Pratchett’s elves.

    Peri needs to perform a distraction so a walking explosion in a rainbow factory, a Scottish man in full-on Scottish dress, a camp actor and a Spanish lady can get in unnoticed. I suggest taking your top off. Not that it would affect all that much, but at least that least fifty of your boobs’ll get a good tan too. God shut up Peri. I’m praying to you to do this.

    And now the camp pirate-chef is trying on clothes as the dumb brunette with big tits and great legs tries to cause a distraction. By knocking on the door pretending to be lost. When a cannibal’s on the prowl. Guess he’ll be doing something other than motor boating those boobs.

    Luckily: mad science! On a fully conscious Two. I think I figured out why these Sontarans look so weird: make a head out of plasticene, then squeeze it all along the jaw line so it goes squish.

    Then unconscious Two is bombarded with CGI lights and - chainsaw to the eyeball!! Thank God for cutaways.

    Anita’s not wearing a bra either.

    Peri’s going to be eaten, but she had a rather good plan. Shame Chess can read minds.

    So now it’s Six and Jamie all alone in a darkened stable. And of course Six goes down the ladder first, he must really have missed the view over the last four regenerations. Oh Jamie, I do love you.

    Chess really seems to be in control here, so Two’s going to get wheeled up past Peri to see how she reacts. The pirate-chef wants to eat a Sontaran.

    Hmm, so are Six and Two going to cause a paradox thing by crossing their temporal streams. Also, Jamie wants to run straight after his Doctor, but apparently the pirate-chef - despite looking like a terribly unfit fifty-year-old, could break them in half with one hand.

    Two gets wheeled past Peri, and as she’s being taken to the kitchens she’s been rumbled. Luckily, not even Peri is dumb enough to walk into a room full of sharp pointy things that can kill her.

    Chess just smiled at the camera.

    . . . That Katzenburger what sit actually is a TARDIS. And thinking on it, I swear I saw a clip on YouTube of a TARDIS shaped like that, but it’s probably a false memory. Hey! It’s a Thing of Rassilon! - A “Rassilon Imprimatur - a symbiotic print within the physiology of Time Lords”. I didn’t know there were Things of Rassilon (or Rassilon Things) anywhere else. Dude must be really important if they named parts of their DNA after him.

    Of course there were Sontarans behind them.

    Peri does Jiggle Physics marvellously. And oc course she has weak ankles. And of course the pirate-chef cements his perverseness by standing one leg on either side of her rear, raising clawed hands to his face and growling “Pretty, pretty.” to himself. “Here my pretty one.” Here’s I pic I edited in especially.

    Nothing like a rape face to make your behind-the-seat neighbour pause and do an audible double-take as they stand to go to the café.

    And of course we end the episode there! And cut to creeping creeper Colin Baker face zooming into the background!

    Scream out!

    And with only half an hour until I pull into home, we end the episodes there.

    Dapper Jamie is dapper. Pirate-chef is Camp. Put your boobs away Peri. What is this Two I don’t even. Six and Jamie and Boobs. Pirate-chef trying to buy Jamie from Two - told you it was creepy.

    And John Stratton was basically in every British live action television show in the 1960s and ‘70s, including The Avengers that don’t have Iron Man in them. Laurence Payne on the other hand . . . Ben Hur. But not as anyone important. And was also in Doctor Who’s ‘The Gunfighters’ and ‘The Leisure Hive’.

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    Best Moment: Anything with Jamie in it? Especially the paired heartrending distress Jamie and Two go through individually at the thought that the other is dead. It’s adorable and sweet and sad. And it was really cool to see the black-and-white introduction fade into the colour of Six’s reign. Then again, I did also like most scenes with the pirate-chef in because he’s so balls-out weird. He is alien with alien morals and beliefs.

    Worst Moment: Peri’s idiocy. Especially her ‘have you been to Seville Doctor’ moment when he’d just displayed knowledge that indicated a fairly intimate knowledge of not only Seville, but the surrounding area.

    Best Actor: Jamie and Two and Shockeye. The first two do such a wonderful performance, and you can tell they’re loving working together, so they’re performances when they’re grieving are excellent. I am nost definitely looking forward to their reunion.

    Shockeye gets one for being so damn weird. You can definitely tell he’s operating on a completely different moral, ethical and emotional plane from humans and most humanoids. It’s a very good, disturbing performance.

    Worst Actor: Peri’s accent can die in all the fires, and Botcherby is just bleh.

    Best Special Effect: Ehm. There weren’t any? Well, the TARDIS effect is always good. And so is the location shooting, that counts as a special effect right? I’m sorry, there just weren’t the effects just weren’t really all that outstanding. They were standard effects.

    Worst Special Effect: Those eyebrows man. Those eyebrows. And the outfits in general. It’s saying something when the man dressed in full formal Highland attire is one of the most normally dressed people on stet.

    Most Punchable Character: Take a guess. Go on. Here’s a clue: it’s Peri.

    Death Count: The people on Aperture who weren’t scientists, Dona Arana.

    Kink of the Episode: Jamie.

    Was Not Expecting: Peri’s boobs. And the constantly sexualised meat talk. Hehehe. Sexualised meat.

    Overall thoughts?
    Saving most of my thoughts for the conclusion, so a quick opinion: I don’t really see why people don’t like Six. He’s smug, but all Doctors are to some extent. Frankly, Peri’s by far the most annoying thing so far about Six’s reign, although that coat and Six’s apparel in general is rather an eyesore.

    I love Two and Jamie and they put in great performances, although I do wish Two was more than a Distressed MacGuffin Guy, but I’m holding out for there being awesome in the final third.

    The villains are strange, but in a good way; I really do want to find out more about the Androgum society because there does seem to be an interesting tension between Chess and the pirate-chef, and the fact that it’s such a sadistic race (by human and most humanoid’s standards) makes them stand out rather well compared to most of Who’s alien cultures. They’re compelling but in a repellant way. Although I do wish they’d leave off a bit on the whole sexualisation of flesh thing. I bet if I Googled this episode/Robert Holmes I’d find out that this episode deliberately had a veggie bent to it. Sorry to say Mr. Holmes, but it didn’t really work.

    However, it does work out better than most anvils (so far) in that the anvil is sometimes delivered rather cleverly. Getting the cruelty of battery animals across via the pirate-chef was very well done on your part because that sort of thing is very believable coming from him. It was well-foreshadowed that meat is a key part of his nature, and his obsession is shown frequently and well. This semi-philosophical musing on his part seems like something he’d actually say rather than it be something shoehorned into his dialogue.

    And Peri can die in all the fires.
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    Thoughts on Curly's review:

    Peri: She has her moments, but to be honest the most memorable things about her are a) bad accent and b) boobs. Not only do her assets upstage Peter Davison's death scene, but her introductory scene (in Planet of Fire) basically involves the camera panning up and down her body as she strips to a swimming costume. I can barely remember that scene at all. Probably her best moment also comes in Planet of Fire - The Master: "I am the Master!". Peri "Well I'm Peragillium Brown and I can shout just as loud as you!"

    45 minutes: For that series only, each story was a self-contained 45 minute episode, just like the modern ones.

    Meat is Murder: Yes, the message is pretty heavy-handed, it's like being harangued by Morrisey for two hours.

    Sontarans: I get the impression that the Beeb only had a few Sontaran costumes that fitted the original actors but were then unsuccessfully glued onto different shaped actors in subsequent Sontaran stories, as the make-up seems to get worse each story we see them in.

    This story is all a bit of a mess, really, typical of the era, with too many half-cocked elements and some terrible fashion, but fun for the reappearance of the Second Doctor and Jamie.

    Funny that the DVD should have a Jimmy Savile feature on it, since recent allegations seem to be that John Nathan-Turner wasn't much better.
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    Sontarans: I get the impression that the Beeb only had a few Sontaran costumes that fitted the original actors but were then unsuccessfully glued onto different shaped actors in subsequent Sontaran stories, as the make-up seems to get worse each story we see them in.
    According to SF Debris, the same mask was used for Davros in "Genesis of the Daleks" and "Destiny of the Daleks". Unfortunately, Davros was played by Micheal Wisher in the former and David Gooderson in the latter, and since the mask had been custom-made for Wisher, didn't really fit Gooderson. Given that, it's entirely possible, probable even, that Sontaran costumes were re-used with different actors.


    Funny that the DVD should have a Jimmy Savile feature on it, since recent allegations seem to be that John Nathan-Turner wasn't much better.
    From what I've read, Nathan-Turner's preferences were for 17 and 18 year old young men, and everything was consentual--it's only a scandal or criminal matter because the legal age of consent for homosexual sex in Britian was 21 at the time. Savile, on the other hand, was into much younger victims, and things were often coerced. So I'd say that Savile was much worse.

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    Peri: She has her moments, but to be honest the most memorable things about her are a) bad accent and b) boobs. Not only do her assets upstage Peter Davison's death scene, but her introductory scene (in Planet of Fire) basically involves the camera panning up and down her body as she strips to a swimming costume. I can barely remember that scene at all. Probably her best moment also comes in Planet of Fire - The Master: "I am the Master!". Peri "Well I'm Peragillium Brown and I can shout just as loud as you!"
    Oh no. The Distressed Companion. Bouncing boobs and awful accent make me dub her Peri the Perilous. Stupid fanservice.

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    True, but it was foreshadowed so I can't really resent it as much as I wish too.

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    This story is all a bit of a mess, really, typical of the era, with too many half-cocked elements and some terrible fashion, but fun for the reappearance of the Second Doctor and Jamie.
    Fun though. Not exactly excellent, and a bit slow, but there are some good bits in it.

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    Rings of Bob (points for reference): 7/10. This episode is a semi-solid one and an a-ok standalone but that's about it. The plot is all-over the place and makes my appreciation of the story empty. Certainly the Vigil suffer, a very poorly used monster which could work.

    Cold War: 8/10. I liked the twist at the end and it saved the episode. The characters felt poorly used, with no real personality, which is what you really need for an under siege story. However, this is not excessively annoying The Ice Warriors fail once again to be threatening and seem rather in the background to the boring humans in centre. Nice try but no.

    Hide: 9/10. Brilliant! Everything about this episode is very atmospheric and the location looks nice. Jessica Raine was very good. Although I do feel the monster not being evil is getting worn out, especially as you've done it mutiple times this half-season.

    Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS: 6/10. A wasted opportunity. We get all these new TARDIS rooms? Turn some damn lights on! This episode is far too dark in tone as well. We want to see TARDIS not your pointless talk. Move now before they get you! The continuity errors make it seem like a first draft. And too many unresolved questions.

    Crimson Horror: 9/10. Hillarious, especially from Diane Rigg (surprise). Although I do think the shtick is getting a bit stale, especially from Strax. The trio work better as one off's. I mean Strax was well developed in Good Man. Now he's flanderised. Not again please.

    Nightmare in Silver: 10/10. Entire Review consists of the words "Neil Gaiman is best Who writer". Although bit of crit for the end, an out of place build up for the finale.

    His True Name (my new finale guess, with advice from Thufir): 5/10. These finale's get worse and worse don't they? The stakes and the resolution were stupid. Shut up River, don't infect Clara with your words. Don't like the Vastra and Jenny development. Whispermen were silly. And I don't like the idea that's his true name. Bit cheap? Richard E Grant was good, but not enough.


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    The Crimson Horror:
    Something ghastly is afoot in Victorian Yorkshire, as bodies are found with their skin a waxy, glowing red.

    Nightmare In Silver:
    Hedgewick’s World of Wonders: the perfect theme park day out – and ground zero for a deadly silver resurrection.

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    Someone is kidnapping the Doctor’s friends, leading him towards the one place in all of time and space that he should never go.


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    Did anyone else find it weird that they named the new episode after something entirely unrelated to the plot (i.e. the little circular sign that's been on the door of the TARDIS since the beginning of Series 5)?
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    Did anyone else find it weird that they named the new episode after something entirely unrelated to the plot (i.e. the little circular sign that's been on the door of the TARDIS since the beginning of Series 5)?
    I think it's good that they made it that way. In RTD era it was killing all suspence when episodes were named after main villans. I mean - big shock that some Dalek is alive in episode called "Dalek' was kinda weak. And hiding Sontarans from view in first half of 'Sontaran Stratagem'. I much prefer title being just loosely connected to the plot

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    I much prefer title being just loosely connected to the plot
    Well that would at least be preferrable to completely UNconnected from the plot.
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    i.e. the little circular sign that's been on the door of the TARDIS since the beginning of Series 5
    The St. Johns Ambulance sticker? That's been on the tardis since 1963, it just kinda disappeared after the Hartnell left
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    Well that would at least be preferrable to completely UNconnected from the plot.
    Well, it would be nice if you could read a title and recall the episode but... Ireally don't care that much about most episode titles unless they are really nice (e.g. Doctor's Wife)


    Well... thank you Curly, I was almost about to do something productive this evening. Now instead I got to further my very sporadic knowledge of Old Who...

    Peri: Okay, I guess it doesn't do me any good but I wouldn't be too hard on her. Yeah, the acting was only okay-ish (seriously, drop that accent or stick to it) but if anything it's obvious what the writers were thinking when they included her in the story (Also, kind of fascinating what fanservice looked like when I was born (well, year and a half before that). Even watching it today... it was kind of hard not to constantly lose my focus. (I've seen a clip of Fifth's death and... yeah, they were kind of distracting there. But for a mere character for viewers to oggle at... she's not that bad. I wish the were a bit more consistent about whether she really is stupid for comedy's sake or not (as Curly noticed, she has a few good lines) or just not a time travelling alien.
    I'm rambling. Short: Yeah, she's not great but considering the character isn't supposed to be much I didn't start to hate her in those 90 minutes.

    What is it with the Doctor and bananas? (Fizz. Buzz. Have a bana~na. \obscure reference)

    I still don't get why Dar... Dra... crazy scientist would bother to continue his diary after the attack. And then leave it there(???)

    I think I'll stay away from that vegetarian discussion thingy... But... yeah, real subtle there, Mr Holmes.

    Concerning the Androgeum... I'm not really that curious... they just seem like some chaotic evil species who is so evil they are even cannibals. Though I might suspect psychic lady (Chess...?) might have something not evil up her sleeve, somehow? Or something really evil. If it's something cannibal cook won't like it has to be something nice, right? Right?!

    As I'm about entirely unfamiliar with Two's run (yeah, shame on me, sorry) I can't quite get behind the Two/Jamie shipping. Or maybe I'm just too superficial because... I really don't think Troughton is that attractive. There, I said it. Oh, Hines is a looker and with that kilt... wait, wait, I like boobs. Peri. Peri is hot. But Hines is also not bad to look at. Where was I? Oh, shipping. It's fun to read Curly's shipping and I guess the two have a certain chemistry from what little was in the episode of them together but I can't get behind the shipping myself. (Also, sorry Curly, Jamie looked way too disappointed at that Spanish lady when they parted)


    Overall... it looks like a fun episode? Six is smug but entertainingly so, expect that bit after the meditation astral thing was pretty random to me (contact to old incarnations? btw, for a moment there I thought the Doctors might have swapped bodies. I think that would have been hilarious, possibly)
    I'm curious how it will end... will there be episode three soon or should I just watch it on my own? I'm willing to wait a week or so but if you are too busy to get it done in a month I might as well watch it on my own.

    Also, I (again, I think) take offense at that "proper measurements" comment. I might just be a simpleton but I like to convert a unit into another by multiplying with powers of ten instead... whatever complicated number you need to get from inch to mile to foot to yard.
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    Well... thank you Curly, I was almost about to do something productive this evening. Now instead I got to further my very sporadic knowledge of Old Who...
    At least it's good pub quiz trivia. And maybe good for your nerd cred.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kato View Post
    Peri: Okay, I guess it doesn't do me any good but I wouldn't be too hard on her. Yeah, the acting was only okay-ish (seriously, drop that accent or stick to it) but if anything it's obvious what the writers were thinking when they included her in the story (Also, kind of fascinating what fanservice looked like when I was born (well, year and a half before that). Even watching it today... it was kind of hard not to constantly lose my focus. (I've seen a clip of Fifth's death and... yeah, they were kind of distracting there. But for a mere character for viewers to oggle at... she's not that bad. I wish the were a bit more consistent about whether she really is stupid for comedy's sake or not (as Curly noticed, she has a few good lines) or just not a time travelling alien.
    I'm rambling. Short: Yeah, she's not great but considering the character isn't supposed to be much I didn't start to hate her in those 90 minutes.
    I have an irrational dislike of certain accents, and Peri's is not only one of the accents that make me want to strangle people, but it keeps slipping. Which is even worse.
    And yes, Peri's low-cut top and boob canyon is rather distracting during that death scene; and I bet you sixpence Peter Davison spent ages trying to look down her top.
    I suppose if I ignore that accent and her boobage (which may be impossible) then her only real fault is her inconsistency of character. There are times where she seems rather sharp, but then idiocy. Her cover story was good, as was mentioning her friends and refusing to go in the kitchen with the creepy looking man; but the Seville thing and a few others. Oy.

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    What is it with the Doctor and bananas? (Fizz. Buzz. Have a bana~na. \obscure reference)
    And the annoying thing is I kind of recognise the reference too.

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    I still don't get why Dar... Dra... crazy scientist would bother to continue his diary after the attack. And then leave it there(???)
    Dastari.
    And I think the idea behind the diary continuation was that he was either mind-controlled into writing an entry or two to frame the TIme Lords for the massacre. Or he was actually evil all along and did everything to frame the Time Lords etc. etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kato View Post
    Concerning the Androgeum... I'm not really that curious... they just seem like some chaotic evil species who is so evil they are even cannibals. Though I might suspect psychic lady (Chess...?) might have something not evil up her sleeve, somehow? Or something really evil. If it's something cannibal cook won't like it has to be something nice, right? Right?!
    Her real name's Chessene. And, being partway through the final episode, let's just say that it's not what one would expect. Seriously, this serial got dark. And yet wacky.
    I want to know more about Androgums because they clearly don't operate on 'normal-for-the-Whoniverse' morals. What's it TVTropes calls it? Blue and Orange Morality. I like it when non-humans display clearly different versions and interpretations of morality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kato View Post
    As I'm about entirely unfamiliar with Two's run (yeah, shame on me, sorry) I can't quite get behind the Two/Jamie shipping. Or maybe I'm just too superficial because... I really don't think Troughton is that attractive. There, I said it. Oh, Hines is a looker and with that kilt... wait, wait, I like boobs. Peri. Peri is hot. But Hines is also not bad to look at. Where was I? Oh, shipping. It's fun to read Curly's shipping and I guess the two have a certain chemistry from what little was in the episode of them together but I can't get behind the shipping myself. (Also, sorry Curly, Jamie looked way too disappointed at that Spanish lady when they parted)
    This is only my second Two serial, but Two and Jamie are so touchy-feely and adorable together. It's not even that I think Two is attractive but that they have so much chemistry.
    And don't worry, Jamie is hot, Peri is hot even though she looks like a hippie reject.
    It's okay if you don't see the pairing too, I see what I see (or wish I saw); really I just thin shipping's fun no matter how much I'm behind the pairing. For the most part.
    And as for not mentioning Jamie's disappointment I did see it, but when I did that review I was on a train, hit play and only stopped for dinner or to go into some depth about the skeevy dialogue. By the time I'd finished typing something just before that scene, the unkiss was over and I didn't think it was all that important in the wider scale of things.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kato View Post
    Overall... it looks like a fun episode? Six is smug but entertainingly so, expect that bit after the meditation astral thing was pretty random to me (contact to old incarnations? btw, for a moment there I thought the Doctors might have swapped bodies. I think that would have been hilarious, possibly)
    I'm curious how it will end... will there be episode three soon or should I just watch it on my own? I'm willing to wait a week or so but if you are too busy to get it done in a month I might as well watch it on my own.
    I'm partway through the episode right now. Depending on things (i.e. what I'm reading and watching right now) it'll be up either tonight or tomorrow.
    It gets dark. As in, I was seriously contemplating referencing The Silence of the Lambs in the earlier serials, now I pretty much have to.

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    Also, I (again, I think) take offense at that "proper measurements" comment. I might just be a simpleton but I like to convert a unit into another by multiplying with powers of ten instead... whatever complicated number you need to get from inch to mile to foot to yard.
    I grew up with my grandparents for a substantial part of my toddlerhood, and imperial measurements are so common at least where I am, that it wasn't until I started proper school that I learnt that there was a metric system.
    I'm very good at doing simple conversions, and given that the majority of people I know still given height, weight and distance measurements in imperial means that the metric system really doesn't get much of a look in. That combined with the usual jocular derision this country has for metric measurements (probably combined with resentment) means that metric is a butt monkey for quite a few people, myself included. I apologise if that offends you.

    Also:
    One inch = 2.5 cm.
    Twelve inches = one foot/30cm
    Three feet = one yard/90cm
    1760 yards = one mile
    One mile = 1.6km

    OR
    8km = 5 miles
    4km = 2.5 miles
    2 km = 1.25 miles
    1 km = 0.675 miles

    Very complicated indeed, but once it's pounded into your head like multiplication tables you never forget it.
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    The St. Johns Ambulance sticker? That's been on the tardis since 1963, it just kinda disappeared after the Hartnell left
    Hartnell was the FIRST Doctor. If the sign vanished after he left, and didn't reappear until Matt Smith took the role, it has hardly been there "since 1963."

    And regardless of it existing in the past, it was missing all throughout the revived series until Series 5 (as I said before). That also doesn't change that it was completely irrelevant to the episode.
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    Hartnell was the FIRST Doctor. If the sign vanished after he left, and didn't reappear until Matt Smith took the role, it has hardly been there "since 1963."

    And regardless of it existing in the past, it was missing all throughout the revived series until Series 5 (as I said before). That also doesn't change that it was completely irrelevant to the episode.
    Maybe, but we know the season is building up to the finale when we're told the Doctor's name would be revealed. Also, "Doctor Who" is celebrating 50 years. The sign could be an in-joke to reference the First Doctor. It was a couple of seasons ago the Doctor showed a library card and it had Hartnell's picture on it. Most likely no relation to now at the time and was just a wave to the fans, but it's nice to speculate.

    The wonder is, are we going to be pleasantly surprised the finale will be a mutiple-Doctor episode with Eccelston and Tennant appearing? Kudos if they can get McCoy and Davidson as well. I really doubt the Bakers would be interested for known reasons. Other surprises could be knowing who that female Time Lord who posed like a Weeping Angel is. Perhaps Romana returns from E-Space. Maybe the Doctor runs into granddaughter Susan on Earth. Maybe that female Time Lord is Romana or Susan. Heh, perhaps we'll see Jack Harkness transform into The Face of Boe.

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    thoughts on the episode now that I got to see it.
    apologies if I say stuff that has been said before, I avoided the spoilers for obvious reasons.

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    it seems to me that this particular villanious plot was never really well thought out. by the looks of it, they were looking for particularily bright people (computer savvyness being a bonus?).. how many bright people would click on a random net or be unable to connect their computer to their home-net before resorting to clicking on random nets to see what it does or to try and get online despite their own connection not working?
    the mechanics of the spoonheads.. seriously.. how many people would just stand there in amazed wonderment instead of
    a)freak out and hide behind a couch
    b)lash out at something that seems to be perceived as a menace
    seems to me that the only way this could work is if the prey was already somewhat mind-controlled to begin with.

    miss Kizmet seems to have been under the thrall of the creepy enemy for decades..most of her life.. it's a bit odd that this was noticed only now, and how did it work back in the day before internet (or computers)?

    the enemy seems to have a lot of potential, but this particular menace never felt really..menacing. also, how does an evil organisation focussing on keeping tabs on one enemy through technology, doesn't notice that that bit of technology has gone rogue? I didn't see it coming at first..but I'm not sat in a roomfull of minions with computers. if I were controlling the minds of a specific number of people through a beacon of some kind, I think I'd notice if said beacon upped and left the building on its own accord or under someone else's control.
    I did like the dialogue, as I most often do with Dr Who, though I was puzzled by one bit:
    I don't get the "I invented the quadricycle" joke (or was it a quadbike?)

    all of the above notwhitstanding, I did enjoy the episode and think the companion has potential (also, I quite like the actress portraying her).
    I am wondering though.. the Dr.'s attitude, though warranted by having lost her twice already..seems leaning towards the romantic inclinations.. which is odd.. he's a widower of sorts.. a couple of times over, one not so far away in time (yes, I realize the irony).. and he seemed to have taken a bit of a turn for the dark/gloomy side.. yet he's now acting like a schoolboy faced with the prospect of imminent snogging.
    Clara herself seems to be rather lighthearted. maybe it's just how she's portrayed, maybe that's how she was written and if so, is it a deliberate choice and done to give her room to expand in as of yet unplanned fashion, or is it a deliberate choice to somehow hide a deeper truth to her?

    I guess it's easy to forget that this is, after all, a show geared towards children, and that sometimes thinking too deeply about it just ruins the fun. looking for a deeper meaning might be out of place if it turns out that there isn't necessarily one.

    that said.. Run you clever boy and remember...
    a bit of a "Bad Wolf moment", anyone?


    on a sidenote, I'd love to see an episode of Dr Who written by Terry Pratchett
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    on a sidenote, I'd love to see an episode of Dr Who written by Terry Pratchett
    I think thatÄs something a LOT of people would love to get but I'm afraid chances are pretty slim. We get our Gaiman treat once in a blue moon but while awesome it's just not the same...

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    At least it's good pub quiz trivia. And maybe good for your nerd cred.
    Yeah, that sure is true.

    And the annoying thing is I kind of recognise the reference too.
    Ah, sorry.

    Dastari.
    And I think the idea behind the diary continuation was that he was either mind-controlled into writing an entry or two to frame the TIme Lords for the massacre. Or he was actually evil all along and did everything to frame the Time Lords etc. etc.
    Hm, I forgot that "framing angle" but it seems too much of an after thought considering their whole plan is aiming at something else (it seems) But it's a reasonable explanation.


    I'm partway through the episode right now. Depending on things (i.e. what I'm reading and watching right now) it'll be up either tonight or tomorrow.
    It gets dark. As in, I was seriously contemplating referencing The Silence of the Lambs in the earlier serials, now I pretty much have to.
    Well, I'm looking forward to it, then.


    That combined with the usual jocular derision this country has for metric measurements (probably combined with resentment) means that metric is a butt monkey for quite a few people, myself included. I apologise if that offends you.
    Sorry, I wasn't really offended, just teasing. can understand how you'd be attached to the system you grew up with. And while I'm pretty convinced the metric ystem is superior () you can of course use whatever you are comfortable with. (I do have a rough idea myself how most units (not only length) translate and if I really care I can aways look it up.)

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    The St. Johns Ambulance sticker? That's been on the tardis since 1963, it just kinda disappeared after the Hartnell left
    sorry, as a member of St John it kinda gets my attention when people say/type it incorrectly.
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    sorry, as a member of St John it kinda gets my attention when people say/type it incorrectly.
    Take it up with Tardis wiki, that's where I copied the spelling from
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    Take it up with Tardis wiki, that's where I copied the spelling from
    Figures. A wiki can't even get something right when it's in black and white in front of them.

    Anyway. How long will it be before she dies again. I would have liked a companion that died every episode... like Kenny... or Jack.
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    Anyway. How long will it be before she dies again. I would have liked a companion that died every episode... like Kenny... or Jack.
    Must... not... make... Rory joke...

    As a non-Brit I never heard of St John Ambulance or Bells or such things before... so it would have been entirely lost on me.
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    Must... not... make... Rory joke...

    As a non-Brit I never heard of St John Ambulance or Bells or such things before... so it would have been entirely lost on me.
    I'd would have thought most people, Brits or not, would have heard of bells.

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    On the plus side, Curly has one good reason to like Doctor #6: His first action in his regeneration was to attempt to strangle Peri. Possibly for upstaging 5 in his death scene.

    Since the only old-school Doctor Who I own is Trial of a Time Lord, 6 is the only one I have much exposure to. When it comes to throwing temper tantrums and making big speeches, 10 could take serious lessons from 6. He's the loudest, most arrogant, and volatile Doctor so far. The fact that he isn't nearly as annoying as 10's worst moments (Tennant was capable of some great stuff, but the writing for his era could get REALLY bad) is really weird. The thing is that 6 is treated appropriately by the people - they get annoyed at him, they call him out on it, or they pointedly ignore him. He also has Peri and Mel as his companions, proof that the universe was already punishing him for recruiting Rose.

    This 50th special is starting to sound underwhelming. A two Doctors story is interesting and all that, but one thing the series has really needed was something that really connected it to the original, and I don't mean just reusing props and costumes. I was really hoping for someone who could play 1 (Hartnel) for us, because he's oddly my personal favorite.

    Of course, the Hobbit proves Sylvester McCoy (7) has some life left in him, so maybe Radagast can save this special?
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    The thing is that 6 is treated appropriately by the people - they get annoyed at him, they call him out on it, or they pointedly ignore him.
    That was the one thing the writers did right with Six--when he was a jerk, he'd get called out on it. Probably because they were deliberately writing him to be a bit of a jerk--when other Doctors behave badly, the writers generally didn't intend for the behaviour to be perceived as bad. I know there have been a few other times the Doctor has been called out on things, but except for a few times with One, the only instance I can think of offhand is with Ten in "The Waters of Mars".

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