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2013-06-24, 05:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Girl Genius XV: The Weasel, the Spark, and the Wardrobe
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2013-06-24, 08:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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By Beechnut! By gum! You're RIGHT!
I wonder if he's why they haven't been caught a dozen times so far. If he's been following them... and wiping out everyone trying to sneak up on them... But why? Maybe it's the weasel and Krosp who have attracted his attention. Or maybe he can tell they're trying to get out, and he wants to leave, too...
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2013-06-24, 10:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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2013-06-25, 07:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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Translation: "Sometimes I get this urge to conquer large parts of Europe."
"If you don't get those cameras out of my face, I'm gonna go 8.6 on the Richter scale with gastric emissions that'll clear this room."
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2013-06-25, 08:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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2013-06-25, 08:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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Okay, after that werewolf catch I'm sure I'm not pointing out anything new, but still, I hadn't realized this before...
There's this monster in the cellars of Mechanicsburg, and it's called Franz.
It's that Franz.
2½ years between the first mention and his appearance. The Foglios sure know their foreshadowing, pity the story proceeds so slowly.
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2013-06-25, 11:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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2013-06-25, 01:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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2013-06-25, 02:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Wait, does this mean that Klaus's story was true?
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2013-06-25, 04:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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2013-06-25, 05:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Girl Genius XV: The Weasel, the Spark, and the Wardrobe
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2013-06-26, 04:00 AM (ISO 8601)
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2013-06-26, 01:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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2013-06-26, 05:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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NOOOOO! Elvis! In the first panel, it's ELVIS!!! WHY, GOD, WHY???????????
SpoilerOh heck it's not a werewolf Storm King. I am disappoint.
I wanna see Tweedle's singing little bears!!!
Agatha's ticked. Tweedle's underestimating her again. She's going to get them out of there if she has to blow the whole fortress up and use that to launch them in a homemade space capsule into orbit. Of course, where they'd come down...
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2013-06-26, 05:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Girl Genius XV: The Weasel, the Spark, and the Wardrobe
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And right after he mentioned they needed to quit underestimating each other.
And Agatha'd have no issues with the falling part of your space capsule. It'd be the sudden stop she'd have to Spark her way around. Perhaps the capsule is pure rubber?
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2013-06-26, 05:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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Possible theory:
SpoilerThe body chemistry changes make Agatha at least partially register as Tweedle.
Though the most likely answer at this stage is that he doesn't want Agatha dead, which makes the sparkhound a less than ideal retrieval method, from the looks of it.Last edited by NEO|Phyte; 2013-06-26 at 05:36 PM.
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2013-06-26, 05:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Eh, they said the hounds are really smart. Probably enough to work off a description of 'This is Agatha, don't bother with her as I'll handle her. Don't go after her companions either.'
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2013-06-26, 07:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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SpoilerI can't help but think that there's another player here. Even if the Sparkhounds are smart enough to recognize Agatha and Violetta and follow an "ignore these people" order, why would Tweedle have them go after Smoke Knights? He just got done recruiting a bunch of them. Sure, I'd buy that there could be more in the castle that aren't listening to Tweedle, but sending out Sparkhounds to hunt Smoke Knights when he's actively using Smoke Knights to hunt Agatha seems like a terrible waste of resources, even for an angry spark.
Edit: spelling correctionsLast edited by Ailurus; 2013-06-26 at 07:23 PM.
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2013-06-26, 08:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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SpoilerThat's because he hasn't gotten the knights of Jove united behind him. He recruited one crew of smoke knights, but their are other family members and possible storm-kings-to-be that are not willing to let him take over again... Basically Tweedle's using the sparkhounds to hunt down the smoke knights and family members that are still refusing to follow him. That dead "elvis" in the first panel is most likely another family member.
Furtharmore, if the sparkhounds are REALLY smart, they may be able to know which knights to kill and which to spareLast edited by slayerx; 2013-06-26 at 08:04 PM.
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2013-06-27, 12:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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So, more speculation on Tweedle. Has he, like Tavek, been hiding his true abilities from the rest of his family? The clan does seem keen on that sort of behavior. Tavek, despite possessing incredible combat skills (the equal of Gil's!), was unwilling to utilize them and break character even when Lady Vrin was hacking him into a badly butchered slab of meat, for example, and saved them for the right moment (an entirely pointless fight with Gil, in which he was never in any real danger). And it would fit with the extremely secret laboratory angle as well, explaining why he needs such a place to hide when he's working on SCIENCE!
He's certainly made an effort to hide his capabilities. Tavek concedes that he's 'good in a fight', but doesn't give him much credit beyond that. So perhaps, this is him obfuscating his abilities. And besides, the entire clan seems the sort to plot and scheme in their sleep.
However, I can't accept it. Because if I do, that means I accept that a Spark has enough control over their madness to endlessly go over the same material and focus on the same thing, without ever slipping up. Now I'll believe a lot about the Spark, but not that anybody can control it to such an extent. Perhaps Martellus is a very weak spark, but he doesn't seem to be. What with the poisons, the robotic hand, and the altering somebodies body chemistry so they depend on his touch to survive, and the ability to turn other people's smoke knights into minions near instantaneously.
Which means, most likely, Martellus actually does get really worked up about tiny singing bears, has some bizarre fascination with them, that he doesn't understand other people's relative incomprehension about. I'd like to believe so, anyway.Last edited by Cracklord; 2013-06-27 at 02:05 AM.
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2013-06-27, 12:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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I don't know about that…
Baron Wulfenbach seems to have very good control over his Spark.
The Spark is probably a little different for every person that has it.
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2013-06-27, 01:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Girl Genius XV: The Weasel, the Spark, and the Wardrobe
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2013-06-27, 01:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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Sure, but the good baron is more of the example that proves the rule. Since he's also apparently uniquely capable of comprehending and reverse-engineering other people's techniques (only 'bigger' and 'better'). That aspect has been allowed to slide a bit, or at least it's significance since other Sparks are showing the ability, but even so he's a bit of a special case. That, and we only see him in a (possible) madness fugue state once, and that's when he's just killed Lars.
But Sparks are eccentric. All of them. They aren't concerned with why beyond 'because I can!' and they don't worry about whether or not whatever they are doing actually helps them most of the time. Now sure, Lucrezia had a whole range of long term plans in place, and built stuff to help her work towards her goal, but she also (for instance) built a giant cannon that only shoots marshmallows. Why? Who can tell? It's the sort of thing Sparks do, because it happens to be floating through their mind when they get worked up. Like why Agatha made coffee, or why a spark gave Boris an extra set of arms. I mean, what did he need a juggler for anyway?
So Tweedle gets makes Teddy Bears that sing. Perhaps he's hiding something, perhaps he really likes them. Maybe tiny little tunes aren't enough, he wants a teddy bear that can sing the entire Storm King Opera at his eventual coronation, not just playing it but actually singing the words with real emotion. Perhaps he want's an entire choir of Teddy Bears gloriously proclaiming his ascension in perfect harmony (which actually sounds pretty awesome), to sing at his eventual wedding and to spread word throughout the land.
Where meanwhile, everyone else has demonstrated a compulsive, overwhelming break from reality as they go obsessive and slowly lose their grip on the situation. Now perhaps Tweedle is the only guy who can successfully channel that overwhelming impulse to play havoc with science into Teddy Bears so as to hide his real ability and make everyone under-estimate him, stranger things have happened. However, I'd prefer to believe that he's just a bit eccentric and prone to whimsy then that he's got some sort of mental power that takes the 'mad' out of mad scientist. For one thing, if he could control the Spark, and make it do whatever he wanted rather then whatever it fixates on, not only would it mess with one of the core themes of the narrative (mad scientists run the world. badly), but it would suggest he's not merely hiding his genius, but he's hiding the sort of will power that allows him to practically defy reality. And if he did have that, he'd have no reason to hide.
I like this explanation. He just wanted to fiddle around with making things to amuse him that weren't hurting anyone, then his genealogy came up, some other branch of the Order wanted to undermine the prince and backed him, given he was a close favorite to ascend, and suddenly he had to get really vicious really quick if he wanted to survive.
Suddenly he reminds me of Gil in the first book, and his lack of a Death Ray.Last edited by Cracklord; 2013-06-27 at 02:17 AM.
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2013-06-27, 02:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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2013-06-27, 07:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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It is possible Tweedle was always the super fighter and murderous rounder he is now, and the small singing bears (I WANNA SEE THEM SO BAD!!) were subterfuge. He wanted to research biological construction; he knew if he started by building Sparkhounds right off, the Family and/or the Knights of Jove would notice and that might mark him for early 'weeding'; so he built bears. Tweedle may not be much for intrigue but he's obviously not stupid. Except with regard to Agatha.
(Most Sparks seem to specialize in certain fields. Agatha in mechanics and 'bot tech, or Gil in biology, for instance. Tweedle also seems to be a biological Spark; so far he's messed with Agatha's body chemistry and built creatures.
I wonder if his superhuman fighting ability is natural or if he enhanced himself?)
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2013-06-27, 09:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Girl Genius XV: The Weasel, the Spark, and the Wardrobe
I would not say that Gil specializes in biology. While he is good at it, he has done a lot of high level purely mechanical stuff. The Fencing Clank, the Flyer and his Lightning Stick for instance.
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2013-06-27, 03:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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2013-06-27, 03:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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I thought Agatha's story about her grandfather made this clear: Martellus did not invent or build the sparkhounds. They were around during Dr. Mongfish's time (the Dr. Mongfish that was Lucrezia's father). Martellus either (1) improved upon the existing sparkhound or (2) figured out how to contorl them. Given that he figured out chemistry for "controlling" Agatha, his spark may just be in chemical alterations to biological organisms.
Last edited by anon62453; 2013-06-27 at 03:33 PM. Reason: Grammatical error
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2013-06-27, 05:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Girl Genius XV: The Weasel, the Spark, and the Wardrobe
I thought Agatha's story about her grandfather made this clear: Martellus did not invent or build the sparkhounds. They were around during Dr. Mongfish's time (the Dr. Mongfish that was Lucrezia's father). Martellus either (1) improved upon the existing sparkhound or (2) figured out how to contorl them. Given that he figured out chemistry for "controlling" Agatha, his spark may just be in chemical alterations to biological organisms.thnx to Starwoof for the fine avatar
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2013-06-27, 06:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Talking about foreboding, how about this one: http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20120130
This will give Gil motivation to accept Tarvek as stormking.