Attack on Titan / Shingeki No Kyojin

[Soras Teva Gee]

I was under the impression that the specific confirmation was in reference to pronouns, which in Japanese are a bit more open to interpretation. Orochimaru used female ones to be creepy I seem to recall. I dare speculate that this is more "sure why not?" situation then terribly intentional since Isayama pretty obviously likes to troll his own work.

While we haven't and probably won't see Hange without a shirt I have noted several times that the art includes a line across Hange's chest. this is not present (that I've found) on more apparently male characters, and would be consistent with having a modest bust. Not the most iron clad of evidence of course especially considering Nanaba, but I think worth mentioning.

Of course unlike V I actually have an opinion on Hange's gender as being female... but the joke is too good to pass up.

[HandofShadows]

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Wow, the Reise family is nasty. They pass on the Cordinator power (and memories) by eating the previouse person to hold them. Historia is starting to have second thoughts as you might guess. Humanity had it's memories errased only 100 years before and the Reise family made a deal with a Titan (the Ape Like one?) for their power and claim it's to "keep the peace". I do NOT buy it that only the Reise family can use the Cordinator abilites as we have already seen Erin do it. Oh, and the MP's are getting cut to pieces.

[Cuthalion]

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Wow, the Reise family is nasty. They pass on the Cordinator power (and memories) by eating the previouse person to hold them. Historia is starting to have second thoughts as you might guess. Humanity had it's memories errased only 100 years before and the Reise family made a deal with a Titan (the Ape Like one?) for their power and claim it's to "keep the peace". I do NOT buy it that only the Reise family can use the Cordinator abilites as we have already seen Erin do it. Oh, and the MP's are getting cut to pieces.

Excuse me, where are you finding this in English?

[noparlpf]

Excuse me, where are you finding this in English?

Crunchyroll should have it up within a few days, but if you Google it and go through a few sites you should probably find it eventually.

[Lurkmoar]

Ha, Kenny's expression at the end... looks like he just saw his dream crash and burn.

[Soras Teva Gee]

I don't care what anyone says I firmly believe Sasha lit a potato on fire to start that bit.

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So Hange, okay, paralysed from a broken spine, or dead?

Place your bets.

[Lurkmoar]

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So Hange, okay, paralysed from a broken spine, or dead?

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I'm leaning toward disabled. Man, can the Survey Corp be even called a Corp any more? o__o

[Kato]

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So Hange, okay, paralysed from a broken spine, or dead?

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I mean... yeah, they should kill someone but.. Hange? Why her? Why not... Connie or so. But anyway, I don't think she's dead. Maybe disabled but then she would still be Hange. It's not about her crazy moves with her...

In general... eh, decent chapter. I wish I was better versed in chemistry/hobby wafare to come up with a better way to make smoke bombs but I guess this works. I'll complain about the stupidity of giving the anti-personell maneuver gear such weaknesses, though. If the normal gear doesn't require the use of hands (it seems) why does the improved version? And really, one shot guns and no other weapons? Do you want your people to get killed?

And more reveals at the end! So... the family is special, kind of... And a special kind of ****, because none of them in... four generations or so, deemed it a good idea to tell people what is going on or rid the world of the titans. Whenever this is revealed, I want it to be decent and not some convoluted mess..
Something minor... how come Reiss' younger brother was the carrier when Frieda, I guess, is the first born? How about some consistency? Or is the huge boy in the family picture last month supposed to be an older brother? I mean, I'm not sure, just wondering.

[HandofShadows]

Excuse me, where are you finding this in English?

Tenmanga. (words)

[Lurkmoar]

Never!

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led, I want it to be decent and not some convoluted mess..
Something minor... how come Reiss' younger brother was the carrier when Frieda, I guess, is the first born? How about some consistency? Or is the huge boy in the family picture last month supposed to be an older brother? I mean, I'm not sure, just wondering.

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Dude looked like he was rocking a santa beard. I think he was Reiss's youngest uncle tbh. I'm thinking there was a translation slip somewhere.

edit: I think that Eren can't access the history part of the power. The manipulate Titans he does have... but he might not be able to use it on humans.

[HandofShadows]

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edit: I think that Eren can't access the history part of the power. The manipulate Titans he does have... but he might not be able to use it on humans.

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But has Erin even tried to access the memories? Or use his power on another person. And aren't Titans transformed humans?

[Soras Teva Gee]

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In general... eh, decent chapter. I wish I was better versed in chemistry/hobby wafare to come up with a better way to make smoke bombs but I guess this works. I'll complain about the stupidity of giving the anti-personell maneuver gear such weaknesses, though. If the normal gear doesn't require the use of hands (it seems) why does the improved version? And really, one shot guns and no other weapons? Do you want your people to get killed?

I argue that "weak point" is a relative thing here. In general the AP-3DMG should be easier to use (you can aim more freely and accurately), and its not like the standard rig offers any ranged attacks at all. And despite being more difficult I'm not sure the added weight on your arms is worth it when you have to carve Titans up or would otherwise restrict your swordplay, but that won't be an advantage against the AP model in a head to head because range normally trumps swordplay.

Oh and remember they've already established revolvers are possible, so obviously such was suppressed even for this squad for a compromise between improvement over breech loaders but less risk of creating a weapon you can't crush with superior manpower via the rest of the MP and Garrison.

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And more reveals at the end! So... the family is special, kind of... And a special kind of ****, because none of them in... four generations or so, deemed it a good idea to tell people what is going on or rid the world of the titans. Whenever this is revealed, I want it to be decent and not some convoluted mess..
Something minor... how come Reiss' younger brother was the carrier when Frieda, I guess, is the first born? How about some consistency? Or is the huge boy in the family picture last month supposed to be an older brother? I mean, I'm not sure, just wondering.

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Given these are the people who think a secret kingship is a good idea its probably imagined as a safety measure. Even if the head of the family (as the more obvious figure) dies for some reason the important piece is preserved. Or simply not putting the Titan power with the one most likely to be otherwise occupied. Or perhaps most likely something about the revelation of the past causes those with the real power to decline more temporal power.

Its not necessarily a good idea, but I can see thinking it might be.

[Cuthalion]

I don't care what anyone says I firmly believe Sasha lit a potato on fire to start that bit.

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So Hange, okay, paralysed from a broken spine, or dead?

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Better not be. And I think they'd say dead if she were. Armin's taking care, and he should be able to tell.

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I'm leaning toward disabled. Man, can the Survey Corp be even called a Corp any more? o__o

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Survey Corpses?

[Lurkmoar]

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Looked over the latest chapter again. Bit annoyed that the younger brother didn't have a bread. Friggin' a my mind is playing tricks on me. What I'm curious about is why they decided to transfer the power to Frieda. I'm sure the he had a couple of decades in life in him... or did he ask for it himself because he was fed up with the burden of the world's knowledge?

[Cobalt]

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I don't understand what you're getting at. When has being "first born" mattered to being Coordinate? Until this chapter, we hadn't even heard anything about someone having to be in the Reiss family to use the power, so how is it inconsistent, when as far as we really know you only have to eat someone with a Titan ability to gain that ability? I don't think it matters whether or not the boy in the picture was older than Frieda or not, or if the previous Coordinate was Rod's 'younger' brother or not; I don't recall any point when the position in the family birth order was cited as relevant.


It's my opinion that either Rod Reiss is lying through his teeth about the "true power", or he's been lied to about it and doesn't understand it himself. We saw Eren controlling other Titans, and that's about all I need to see to say that he's controlling other human beings with some practice. At the very least, Grisha and Reiner and company seem to believe that if they can take the Coordinate power away from the Reiss that they'll be able to make use of it despite not being in that bloodline. On the one hand, it makes sense that only the one noble family would be able to make use of this power; it would explain why the human trash noblemen we saw during the coup hadn't tried to take it for themselves. But there are too many holes in Rod's story for me to believe a word he says as he tries to convince Historia to be his tool. Maybe, maybe you can say that Frieda was too young to use the power to "remove Titans from the world" or whatever Rod was getting on about. But why, then, did her uncle not do something? Why not the Coordinate before him? Or somebody, anybody in the past century who held the power and knowledge that Rod is saying they've got. Why mess with putting up Walls at all if we're saying we can just get rid of Titans some other way with this special individual? He says nobody knows where Titans came from; obviously not totally true, since that would mean the readers never get that question answered. But all that means really is that he doesn't know; I call the bet the Rod is a mix of a schemer and someone out-of-the-loop, regarding some secrets. I think he's acting on an objective more important than the petty power dreams that the other nobles were willing to sacrifice humanity for, but I don't think Rod is actually too major a player.

[Kato]

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I don't understand what you're getting at.

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I'm not talking about the importance for being coordinate, I'm talking about the Reiss' selection of who gets the power. It seems unlikely they just hand it to "any child". Clearly there would be some selection process. And it often happens to be such things, like the power to rule, are given to the first born. Though I guess there could be, as Soras noted, problems with the ruler also carrying this burden... then again, I would argue, to rule all of effing humanity it might be a good idea to know everything about the effing situation. But that's just me. So yeah, assuming the boy is the older one I guess the first born gets to rule and the second gets all the knowledge which might be helpful to rule. But oh well.

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It's my opinion that either Rod Reiss is lying through his teeth about the "true power", or he's been lied to about it and doesn't understand it himself. We saw Eren controlling other Titans, and that's about all I need to see to say that he's controlling other human beings with some practice.

That's quite a jump of conclusion to make, if you ask me... Not that I like the "special bloodline" stuff but if the plot wills it, it may be.

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But there are too many holes in Rod's story for me to believe a word he says as he tries to convince Historia to be his tool. Maybe, maybe you can say that Frieda was too young to use the power to "remove Titans from the world" or whatever Rod was getting on about. But why, then, did her uncle not do something? Why not the Coordinate before him? Or somebody, anybody in the past century who held the power and knowledge that Rod is saying they've got. Why mess with putting up Walls at all if we're saying we can just get rid of Titans some other way with this special individual?

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I assume the "too many holes" you refer to are the ones you are listing, otherwise I'd like to know them. (Not that I'm saying anything about this is perfect)

I'm pretty sure the idea is that they "were" capable but all of them for one reason or another considered it a better idea to not destroy the titans and instead keep the walls. Maybe because they really liked ruling people. Whether or not we will ever get a decent explanation what this reason would be remains to be seen.

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He says nobody knows where Titans came from; obviously not totally true, since that would mean the readers never get that question answered.

Or maybe SnK will not succumb to the standard literary trope of giving the reader all the answers at some point... because clearly, there must alsway be an old sage person alive who can and willanswer all remaining questions. (What? Why are you looking at me funny? It [it]could[/it] (not) happen... )

[Lurkmoar]

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I'm sure the Titan(perhaps the Beast Titan, perhaps not) that gave the Reiss family their power knows Kato. Whether that information will be divulged to the readers will be a matter for the author to come to.

[Metahuman1]

http://moviepilot.com/posts/2014/12/...xternal,manual

So, stumbled across this. If come season 6 I get word that they actually do it (If not by some bizarre twist sooner.), I think I'm gonna make a similar petition for more characters then I care to count right now for AoT. Just to see if it goes anywhere and where that ends up being.

If they I actually find out they brought her back.

Could prove a bemusing if short lived experiment.

[Kato]

So, the new OVA is the first part of Levi's backstory put in motion... with huge changes and a song, that mutilates the German language. Hurra??
But no, it's decent, if you haven't read the story it's nice to learn about I guess, and even if it's cool.

[Lurkmoar]

http://moviepilot.com/posts/2014/12/...xternal,manual

So, stumbled across this. If come season 6 I get word that they actually do it (If not by some bizarre twist sooner.), I think I'm gonna make a similar petition for more characters then I care to count right now for AoT. Just to see if it goes anywhere and where that ends up being.

If they I actually find out they brought her back.

Could prove a bemusing if short lived experiment.

I was about to say what does that have to do with anything... then I finished reading the rest of your post after the link.

What AoT character would you want brought back? My vote is for Dita Ness. Dudes wearing handkerchiefs on their heads are awesome.

Kato, what changes have been made? Broad strokes if you don't mind. They change how Levi and Erwin met?

[Kato]

Kato, what changes have been made? Broad strokes if you don't mind. They change how Levi and Erwin met?

I guess "huge" changes was a bit over the top, sorry.

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Eh, it's been a while since I read Birth of Levi but now it seems the trio was much more Levi & his Merry Men than originally, freely dispersing his money among the neighborhood. And the meeting with Isabell was changed. Also, they were... kind of blackmailed into the job, in another way than originally. (Where they even blackmailed? I think they were just bought?)

The meeting with Erwin I think was mostly consistent, but it ended at the point where Erwin offers them to join and Levi agrees.

[Metahuman1]

I was about to say what does that have to do with anything... then I finished reading the rest of your post after the link.

What AoT character would you want brought back? My vote is for Dita Ness. Dudes wearing handkerchiefs on their heads are awesome.

I'd probably set up one for each of them, just to see who get's the support if anyone.

Like I said, this is more experiment then anything.

[Lurkmoar]

I'd probably set up one for each of them, just to see who get's the support if anyone.

Like I said, this is more experiment then anything.

Do you have a particular special snowflake you'd like to see rise from the grave Metahuman1? Your opinion of the general AoT story seems clear to me from your previous posts, but you have read a bit of it, is there someone you'd really like to see brought back? Marco? Perhaps Mike?

Why the heck did I randomly pick all the names that start with an 'm'?

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Will Kenny flip out on Rod Reiss and put a cap in his head, or will Rod ace Kenny for trying to betray him? Looking forward to it.

[Metahuman1]

Not particularly. I learned before Chapter 3 was over that investing in anyone in the series was only gonna make me upset and dropped the series. I had intended for that to be end of it, but, then if was freaking EVERYWHERE! And we've hashed this out before so I'll wrap up by leading back to "No, not really, no.".


See, here's kinda what I'm curious about. I know he's put it out there that there's about a 50% chance the ending the fans get will have been completely rewritten form scratch for no other reason then he 1) Looked at the money after the series finally beat One Piece in sales and 2) realized just how many people were gonna be so livid with him that they'd be teaching there great grandchildren to curse his name if he went with the original ending. I'm curious to see if the prospect of enough fan good grace and money can further seduce him into compromising his artistic integrity for the sake of cold, hard, cash and fan praise.


Kind of a dark thing to want to test? Maybe, depends really on how it plays out. After all, there's legitimate room for him to earn some of my respect back (At the moment he has 0 so, it wouldn't be much but it would still be far better then he has from me right now.), there's, just also a legitimate prospect in equal proportion to further validate my position.


Bearing in mind there's an equally legit possibility that either the above linked petition doesn't work in which case this idea is dead on arrival, or, that none of my list of petitions will get enough attention and signs and circulation to be even worth wasting his time with trying to send them his way. Those are both variables that could keep it from coming to pass that are outside my control.

[Arkhosia]

I think the weakness of the APMG makes a lot of sense. The 3DMG operates exclusively via handle controls and body movement (by that I mean how the handles have controls to adjust aim of the grappling hooks, and waist movement also aims, while one can easily use their body weight to steer). APMG fires the hooks from the handles, so it's obvious where you aim, you have to fire in the direction of your grappling hook so it'd be complivated to hit someone while using the hooks, and an outstretched arm appears the main way to aim, leaving one at risk for dismemberment. Also, I forget if it was listed as a weakness too, but the tanks being back-mounted are easier to hit than those on 3dmg.

[LaZodiac]

I think the weakness of the APMG makes a lot of sense. The 3DMG operates exclusively via handle controls and body movement (by that I mean how the handles have controls to adjust aim of the grappling hooks, and waist movement also aims, while one can easily use their body weight to steer). APMG fires the hooks from the handles, so it's obvious where you aim, you have to fire in the direction of your grappling hook so it'd be complivated to hit someone while using the hooks, and an outstretched arm appears the main way to aim, leaving one at risk for dismemberment. Also, I forget if it was listed as a weakness too, but the tanks being back-mounted are easier to hit than those on 3dmg.

They literally bring up the aiming issue in the manga, actually. So like, your point is very strong

[Arkhosia]

They literally bring up the aiming issue in the manga, actually. So like, your point is very strong

HAHA! CANON IS ON MY SIDE FOR ONCE! *looks in direction of the crash sites of the Wall State Ship FreckleHorse*

[Hazzardevil]

I think there's very much a balance of power idea going on in Attack on Titan, the Survey Corp are left to do whatever they want for the most part, they just keep depleting their numbers on expeditions. The APMG is very good at killing people, but only if they are ambushing and have clear line of sight, so the fight in the latest chapter really screws them over. The Military Police have better gear than everyone else and the best training, but they are loyal to the king, in small numbers and likely have little day-to-day practise like the Survey Corp.

[HandofShadows]

I tend to think of it as the the MP having better equipment for fighting normal people, but they only think inside the box and they blindly follow the rules. And frankly I think there are more than a few cowards in the group. The SC is a bunch of OUT of the box thinkers who have a lot more experience and are a hell of a lot better (and braver) at their jobs then the MP's.

[Kunie]

Really enjoyed the first season of the anime (haven gotten to the OVA yet), and still flip-flopping on whether or not I want to read the manga.