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    Part of me wants to change the resolution system for this over to glorious, glorious... JANSEN!

    I mean, Moe-Tan shows that you can build a stat-based game that still has Rock-Paper-Scissors for resolution... heck, I could adapt the entire thing over in my week break I have starting this morning.
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    Would anyone object to me doing a quick writeup of the Persona High Arcanas, as well as which character types fit them best and what Roll Modifiers are suggested for the Arcana?

    If so, I'd use them as part of my Dungeon Crawling rule, and expand on the rule.
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    So, Rainy, I had a thought.

    I recall you mentioning the rampant use of Universal Advantages and were looking for a way to minimize that.

    What about something make character creation limited to six advantages. Then in order to select a Universal Advantage, you have to forfeit an additional Advantage for each Universal you wanted to take?

    Meaning you would only have five Advantages. Four Archetype, and One Universal.

    It would limit the number people could reasonably take, since to take more than two would constitute a serious gamble on the part of the player, since they would have only four advantages compared to the others.

    But to compensate, the Universal Advantages could have a smaller secondary bonus. For example, Well Endowed could easily get a +1 bonus to some conflict rolls when trying to remove Protagonist-kun from the clutches of another girl.


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    I'm honestly considering just getting rid of Universal Advantages altogether. In the original version of the game, you only got to choose one archetype for your character, so I provided a larger pool of Universal Advantages to give people some more choices to make their characters unique. But now that everyone gets two archetypes' worth of advantages to choose from, there really isn't as much of a need for the Universal Advantages, since there's a lot of variety to be had between genki childhood friends, shrinking violet childhood friends, and yandere childhood friends.

    One thought I had was to change to a system where you have five Archetype Advantages drawn from your two archetypes and one Quirk Advantage that can be drawn from any archetype in the game.
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    Quirk advantages are good. I'd say just having General be options for that quirk as well. Keeps things that really are too general to categorize, while still not making a bunch of well endowed genius athletic cooks.
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    Actually, I think Athletic could get its own Archetype in Sports Club President, or be a subtype of a more general Skill bonus Advantage for a Club President Archetype. And I don't really think Sweet Tooth really deserves an Advantage (it is a common trait, but it's not really something that should give an edge, I don't think).

    Well-Endowed and Good Cook still get left out, and Good Cook, in particular, I feel should remain universal anyway. Well-Endowed, I don't really think about that much because it doesn't cater to me, personally, so I'd be OK even if we removed it altogether.
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    Good Cook (and maybe Sweet Tooth, because why not) could lead to a simple cooking or house work focused archetype.

    Well Endowed is a problem still. Maybe it would just be best left as a "Anyone can take it" thing. Kind of clunky, but eh.
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    I think the best way of handling Well-Endowed while still keeping it is limiting it to one cast member, personally. Like, everyone else might have a nice figure, but that one character is like YOWZA!, and the others just pale in comparison.
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    Athletic is definitely getting moved to Sports Star. Good Cook might fall under a 'yamato nadeshiko' sort of archetype if I do one of those in the future. I agree that Sweet Tooth could be dispensed with pretty easily.

    What do you think about moving Well Endowed to the Half-Foreign archetype?
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    Quote Originally Posted by A Rainy Knight View Post
    One thought I had was to change to a system where you have five Archetype Advantages drawn from your two archetypes and one Quirk Advantage that can be drawn from any archetype in the game.
    I vote that one, except that I would prefer the option to take from Universals as well, personally.

    Also I'm compiling lists of subtypes (for my game only), where the player can pick 3 of 5 options to be the subtype. Examples include

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    I think I got the 5 choices for MNP and Imouto listed here in previous pages, maybe not. I might have them on my E game advertisement thread. I don't have Mama-san yet, but I have several eroge games I can draw inspiration from so the decision process wouldn't be too much.

    Anyway the rule above where you can pick one Quirk Advantage from another class makes it really easy for me because I can then draw from 3 archetypes or more to make the subtypes. I hope this isn't too much of a bother.

    Quote Originally Posted by A Rainy Knight
    Athletic is definitely getting moved to Sports Star. Good Cook might fall under a 'yamato nadeshiko' sort of archetype if I do one of those in the future. I agree that Sweet Tooth could be dispensed with pretty easily.

    What do you think about moving Well Endowed to the Half-Foreign archetype?
    Yes and the one that's accident prone is also a distinct possibility as well... Why? Too top heavy
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    What do you think about moving Well Endowed to the Half-Foreign archetype?
    On the one hand, it does follow certain stereotypes. On the other hand, I've seen more than my share of examples where Ms. Fanservice is not the half-foreigner character. The Quirk Advantage thing should allow characters who don't have Half-Foreign to take it regardless, but the main problem is that I feel everyone would take it anyway, disregarding other Advantages with far more personality behind them.

    Frankly, I think that is my problem with Well-Endowed. It says nothing about the character's personality, just her looks. Maybe if it was less about having a specific figure, and more about flaunting one's looks, regardless of what those looks are (something like, say, Shameless Fanservice), that would work better.

    An example is Jessica and Maria from Aoi House. Maria is the better-endowed of the two, but since she is actually kind of ashamed about it, she doesn't get to be Ms. Fanservice, while Jessica does. The secondary Ms. Fanservice in the series is Elle, who, as a synchronized swimmer, is actually rather slender, but she can dole out fanservice even without meaning to because of her utter disregard for social conventions and any guys around.
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    Maybe put it in as "Miss Fanservice" under Pervert? "Whether by natural gifts, working what you were born with, you have a way of sticking out in someone's mind. +1 to all Allure rolls of those attracted to your sex."
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Rose Dragon View Post
    Frankly, I think that is my problem with Well-Endowed. It says nothing about the character's personality, just her looks. Maybe if it was less about having a specific figure, and more about flaunting one's looks, regardless of what those looks are (something like, say, Shameless Fanservice), that would work better.

    An example is Jessica and Maria from Aoi House. Maria is the better-endowed of the two, but since she is actually kind of ashamed about it, she doesn't get to be Ms. Fanservice, while Jessica does. The secondary Ms. Fanservice in the series is Elle, who, as a synchronized swimmer, is actually rather slender, but she can dole out fanservice even without meaning to because of her utter disregard for social conventions and any guys around.
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    Maybe put it in as "Miss Fanservice" under Pervert?
    ...I think this would be a pretty good solution, using a "shameless fanservice" kind of advantage.
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    I expect a "Special Thanks To" section in the credits, just so you know!
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Rose Dragon View Post
    I expect a "Special Thanks To" section in the credits, just so you know!
    I meanwhile ask for nothing in return! Though I did edit my post to have a bit of flavor text.
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    I meanwhile ask for nothing in return! Though I did edit my post to have a bit of flavor text.
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    What do you think about moving Well Endowed to the Half-Foreign archetype?
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    Yes and the one that's accident prone Dojikki is also a distinct possibility as well... Why? Too Top Heavy
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    Maybe put it in as "Miss Fanservice" under Pervert?
    Actually this is an argument in favor of Universality. I still like Quirks though, and I think that if several Archetypes have the same benefit, you pretty much can do away with Universals. I'd need both Sweet Tooth and Good Cook though for my Sensei-chan, pick the cooking archetype as my second archetype and grab the Cuckoolander Non Sequitur ability as my Quirk
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    So there's this thing. I like some of the advantages of Yandere (Armed And Dangerous and Terrifying Presence) for a brawler, but I would never play Yandere. Any way to implement those into other Archetypes?

    ...Actually, I think this just proves that the Quirk Advantage is a good idea. I could be a Kuudere Bokukko and grab an advantage from Yandere or Sukeban.
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    Quirk advantages seem ideal to me, too.

    I would add that the "Well-Endowed" advantage can mean different things fluffwise depending on what sorts of body types the protagonist is attracted to. I mean, it's genre appropriate, but in an all-boys game it might be washboard abs, or in another game it might be rockin' hips or muscular arms or what-have-you.

    Perhaps the specific trait could be left to the players who select Well-Endowed.

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    That's why I suggested that Well Endowed be placed in several archetypes, with different names for each.

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    That's why I suggested that Well Endowed be placed in several archetypes, with different names for each.
    And why I left it vague, aside from it being an attractive trait, or making a trait look good.
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    You know after a few interwebs searches I'm about to come to the conclusion that Kyonyuu(sp?) Heroine might be a worthy archetype.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelsmiter View Post
    You know after a few interwebs searches I'm about to come to the conclusion that Kyonyuu(sp?) Heroine might be a worthy archetype.
    Mind explaining for those of us not in the loop?
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    Mind explaining for those of us not in the loop?
    巨乳 kyonyuu = big breasts.

    By the way, this also leads me to wonder... do you think I should put English equivalents with any of the archetypes for clarity along with the actual description of the archetype? I enjoy using the Japanese terms for flavor, and I'd imagine that ones like tsundere and yandere are pretty well-known, but I don't think ones like sukeban or iinchou are as commonly understood.
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    I actually really like Universal Advantages the way they are, I just think that we need more to reduce the cases of people all taking the same ones. People using them, or even taking a lot of them, shouldn't be a problem as long as not too many people take the same exact one. Like I have a player in one of my groups right now who's taking 3 Universal Advantages, but I'm entirely fine with it since it's actually unique for them due to the other players in his group not having any so far except for one who also has Athletic. If it fits the player's concept and all the characters will still be very different from one another, I have no problems with someone taking even multiple Universal Advantages.

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    Fine for you, but if it stays the way it is, I'm taking Well-Endowed, because this is the tomboy pic I've got:
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    Oh, and out of all 10 of my players only 1 person so far has taken Well-Endowed, so I don't think that advantage being crowded is a problem in every single group that plays this game.

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    @ Rainy: That would be helpful. Even if most people who play this are big enough fans to know most of the terms, some of us (*raises hand*) don't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A Rainy Knight View Post
    巨乳 kyonyuu = big breasts.

    By the way, this also leads me to wonder... do you think I should put English equivalents with any of the archetypes for clarity along with the actual description of the archetype? I enjoy using the Japanese terms for flavor, and I'd imagine that ones like tsundere and yandere are pretty well-known, but I don't think ones like sukeban or iinchou are as commonly understood.
    I'd do a parenthetical for all of them. I have been told that's one of the reasons for the last player of the first class to have stalled out in the Creation process. They simply don't know. One of my other players pointed them to the first two obvious options related to their character's personality, I pointed out a third.

    Quote Originally Posted by Moonbeam Funk View Post
    I actually really like Universal Advantages the way they are, I just think that we need more to reduce the cases of people all taking the same ones. People using them, or even taking a lot of them, shouldn't be a problem as long as not too many people take the same exact one. Like I have a player in one of my groups right now who's taking 3 Universal Advantages, but I'm entirely fine with it since it's actually unique for them due to the other players in his group not having any so far except for one who also has Athletic. If it fits the player's concept and all the characters will still be very different from one another, I have no problems with someone taking even multiple Universal Advantages.
    I agree, though I prefer two over three. I still like Quirks though. Especially if the current Universals are divided amongst Archetypes and as I said, multiple instances of Well Endowed (possibly under several different names) exist so that you can get the flavor, whether you're Foreign, or Ms. Fanservice, or you're Klutzy because you're Too Top Heavy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Moonbeam Funk View Post
    Oh, and out of all 10 of my players only 1 person so far has taken Well-Endowed, so I don't think that advantage being crowded is a problem in every single group that plays this game.
    Indeed. I only have 1 Well Endowed girl.

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    @ Rainy: That would be helpful. Even if most people who play this are big enough fans to know most of the terms, some of us (*raises hand*) don't.
    This is done! Mostly, at least.

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