Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XLVII

**123456789blaaa** · 2013-07-22, 11:26 AM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by OMG PONIES

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Anyone actually care what I was cooking up? If so, I can include the stub when I post my judging.

I care. Teeeellll uuuuuusssssss.

**Feilith** · 2013-07-22, 11:33 AM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by 123456789blaaa

I care. Teeeellll uuuuuusssssss.

Im also curious what you had building up. I wanna see!

**Razanir** · 2013-07-22, 11:35 AM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by OMG PONIES

Yeah, I think there was a secret side competition this round

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They range from many medium-length classes, to one really long class name (Champion of the Wild Spirit Guide Wildshape Ranger), to several templates and racial options (half fey human major fey bloodline)

**Kuulvheysoon** · 2013-07-22, 11:39 AM (ISO 8601)

Note - Shoure was just a regular Paladin, and Calista is actually a Druid 5/Ranger 1/Blighter 4/Cold Iron Warrior 10

**dysprosium** · 2013-07-22, 12:16 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Kuulvheysoon

Note - Shoure was just a regular Paladin, and Calista is actually a Druid 5/Ranger 1/Blighter 4/Cold Iron Warrior 10

Changes noted on my handy dandy chart.

**thethird** · 2013-07-22, 01:12 PM (ISO 8601)

So... my builds that ended being destroyed when my pc died where:

An Illumian warlock 7 / Cold Iron Warrior 9 / Sacred Exorcist 4

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{table=head] Level |Class |BAB |Fort Save |Ref Save |Will Save |Skills |Feats |Class features

1 |Warlock |0 |0 |0 |2 |knowledge (nature) 4 , knowledge (the planes) 4 , use magic device 4 , spellcraft 4 |Education |Eldritch blast 1d6, invocation (least)

2 |Warlock |1 |0 |0 |3 |knowledge (nature) 5 , knowledge (religion) 1 , knowledge (the planes) 4 , use magic device 5 , spellcraft 5 | |Detect Magic

3 |Warlock |2 |1 |1 |3 |knowledge (nature) 6 , knowledge (religion) 2 , knowledge (the planes) 4 , use magic device 6 , spellcraft 6 |Intuitive strike |Damage reduction 1/cold iron, eldritch blast 2d6

4 |Warlock |3 |1 |1 |4 |knowledge (nature) 7 , knowledge (religion) 2 , knowledge (the planes) 4 , use magic device 6 , spellcraft 7 , collector of stories | |Deceive item

5 |Warlock |4 |1 |1 |4 |knowledge (nature) 8 , knowledge (religion) 3 , knowledge (the planes) 5 , use magic device 6 , spellcraft 8 , collector of stories | |Eldritch blast 3d6

6 |Warlock |4 |2 |2 |5 |knowledge (nature) 9 , knowledge (religion) 4 , knowledge (the planes) 6 , use magic device 6 , spellcraft 9 , collector of stories |Iron Will |New invocation (least or lesser)

7 |Warlock |5 |2 |2 |5 |knowledge (nature) 10 , knowledge (religion) 5 , knowledge (the planes) 7 , use magic device 6 , spellcraft 10 , collector of stories | |Damage reduction 2/cold iron, eldritch blast 4d6

8 |Cold Iron Knight |6 |2 |2 |7 |knowledge (nature) 11 , knowledge (religion) 6 , knowledge (the planes) 8 , use magic device 6 , spellcraft 11 , collector of stories | |Smite fey (1/day)

9 |Cold Iron Knight |7 |2 |2 |8 |knowledge (nature) 12 , knowledge (religion) 7 , knowledge (the planes) 9 , use magic device 6 , spellcraft 12 , collector of stories |Planar touchstone |Detect fey, iron mind +2

10 |Cold Iron Knight |8 |3 |3 |8 |knowledge (arcana) 1 , knowledge (nature) 13 , knowledge (religion) 7 , knowledge (the planes) 10 , use magic device 6 , spellcraft 13 , collector of stories | |Dispel magic (1/day)

11 |Cold Iron Knight |9 |3 |3 |8 |knowledge (arcana) 2 , knowledge (nature) 14 , knowledge (religion) 7 , knowledge (the planes) 11 , use magic device 6 , spellcraft 14 , collector of stories | |Mind over magic (1/day)

12 |Sacred Exorcist |10 |3 |3 |8 |knowledge (arcana) 3 , knowledge (nature) 15 , knowledge (religion) 7 , knowledge (the planes) 12 , use magic device 6 , spellcraft 15 , collector of stories |Divine Defiance |Exorcism, turn undead

13 |Cold Iron Knight |10 |3 |3 |10 |knowledge (arcana) 4 , knowledge (nature) 16 , knowledge (religion) 7 , knowledge (the planes) 13 , use magic device 6 , spellcraft 16 , collector of stories | |Smite fey (2/day), unmaking magic

14 |Sacred Exorcist |11 |3 |3 |11 |knowledge (arcana) 5 , knowledge (nature) 17 , knowledge (religion) 7 , knowledge (the planes) 14 , use magic device 6 , spellcraft 17 , collector of stories | |Detect Evil, resist possession

15 |Sacred Exorcist |12 |4 |4 |11 |knowledge (arcana) 5 , knowledge (nature) 18 , knowledge (religion) 8 , knowledge (the planes) 15 , use magic device 6 , spellcraft 18 , collector of stories |Knowledge devotion |Chosen foe +1

16 |Sacred Exorcist |13 |4 |4 |12 |knowledge (arcana) 5 , knowledge (nature) 19 , knowledge (religion) 9 , knowledge (the planes) 16 , use magic device 6 , spellcraft 19 , collector of stories | |Dispel evil (1/week)

17 |Cold Iron Knight |14 |5 |5 |13 |knowledge (arcana) 5 , knowledge (nature) 21 , knowledge (religion) 11 , knowledge (the planes) 18 , use magic device 6 , spellcraft 21 , collector of stories | |Dispel magic (2/day)

18 |Cold Iron Knight |15 |5 |5 |13 |knowledge (arcana) 5 , knowledge (nature) 21 , knowledge (religion) 11 , knowledge (the planes) 18 , use magic device 6 , spellcraft 21 , collector of stories |Quicken Spell-like ability |Cold iron strike

19 |Cold Iron Knight |16 |5 |5 |14 |knowledge (arcana) 5 , knowledge (nature) 22 , knowledge (religion) 12 , knowledge (the planes) 19 , use magic device 6 , spellcraft 22 , collector of stories | |Iron mind +4, mind over magic (2/day)

20 |Cold Iron Knight |17 |6 |6 |14 |knowledge (arcana) 5 , knowledge (nature) 23 , knowledge (religion) 13 , knowledge (the planes) 20 , use magic device 6 , spellcraft 23 , collector of stories | |Dispel magic (3/day) [/table]

And an Azurin Soulborn 6 / Cold Iron Warrior 10 / Incandescent Champion 4

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|Concentration 4, Knowledge (nature) 16.5, Spellcraft 17|-|Incarnum Overload 1/day[/table]

Unfortunately I hadn't saved more than the tables in self pms before everything went downhill.

**Haluesen** · 2013-07-22, 02:12 PM (ISO 8601)

Yay they are all revealed! A lot of entries here. I wonder how it'll go. How many judges do we have?

Nah, bro, I'm more of a factotum/warblade with Moment of Alacrity and Improved Initiative

I...what the heck?

Impressive way to phrase it.

Got some unique ideas there thethird. I'm sorry your computer messed up.

**Darkcouch** · 2013-07-22, 05:16 PM (ISO 8601)

I was trying to get 4-5 effective levels of Nar Demon Binder for a hefty CL on Greater Dispels, but the best I could come up with was Kobald Soulborn 5/ Cold iron warrior 10/ Nar Demon Binder 5. It qualified, but had no flow and ended up with horrible AC after level 15. I tried working with battle sorcerer too, but it ended up being diptastic.

**Piggy Knowles** · 2013-07-22, 05:43 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Darkcouch

I was trying to get 4-5 effective levels of Nar Demon Binder for a hefty CL on Greater Dispels, but the best I could come up with was Kobald Soulborn 5/ Cold iron warrior 10/ Nar Demon Binder 5. It qualified, but had no flow and ended up with horrible AC after level 15. I tried working with battle sorcerer too, but it ended up being diptastic.

Hmm... what about something like...

Duskblade 3/Fighter 2/Cold Iron Warrior 8/Nar Demonbinder 2/Abjurant Champion 5

Use Touch of Summoning or Fiendish Legacy to qualify for NDB.

End up with +19 BAB, 8th-level spells, CL 19 without any shenanigans, channeling, etc. Abjurant Champion fixes the AC issue, also. For extra fun, take Fey Bloodline from Dragon Magazine Compendium - it's thematic, and it'll add Otto's Irresistible Dance to your spell list, which you can then channel with Duskblade.

You lose out on the last two levels of Cold Iron Warrior, but do you really need them? You'll get Greater Dispel Magic from your NDB levels, and smite fey is meh, so the only real loss will be slippery mind, which is nice to have but not spectacular or anything.

**Darkcouch** · 2013-07-22, 06:04 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Piggy Knowles

Hmm... what about something like...

Duskblade 3/Fighter 2/Cold Iron Warrior 8/Nar Demonbinder 2/Abjurant Champion 5

Use Touch of Summoning or Fiendish Legacy to qualify for NDB.

End up with +19 BAB, 8th-level spells, CL 19 without any shenanigans, channeling, etc. Abjurant Champion fixes the AC issue, also. For extra fun, take Fey Bloodline from Dragon Magazine Compendium - it's thematic, and it'll add Otto's Irresistible Dance to your spell list, which you can then channel with Duskblade.

You lose out on the last two levels of Cold Iron Warrior, but do you really need them? You'll get Greater Dispel Magic from your NDB levels, and smite fey is meh, so the only real loss will be slippery mind, which is nice to have but not spectacular or anything.

I knew there was a better way to get Summon monster than Draconic rite of passage. That build still has spell failure/AC issues more so without access to mage armor, but I guess if anyone close to you is doing a jig you're not in that much trouble and you have your pretty beefy familiar to distract them.

**Piggy Knowles** · 2013-07-22, 06:22 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Darkcouch

I knew there was a better way to get Summon monster than Draconic rite of passage. That build still has spell failure/AC issues more so without access to mage armor, but I guess if anyone close to you is doing a jig you're not in that much trouble and you have your pretty beefy familiar to distract them.

Hmm. My initial response would be to use your prepared spells from CIW to prep Luminous Armor, but that requires a good alignment, and you'll need to be any non-good for the build to work. Dragonmarks could also pick it up, although that would require more cross-setting material than is typically kosher for an IC.

In any case, there are a few ways you could overcome the issue. Right off the cuff, you've got...

A level of Spellsword over the last level of Abjurant Champion, with Practiced Spellcaster to make up the CL difference.
A dip into cleric early on, which will knock the BAB down to +18 but give you a plethora of defensive options.
Thistledown padded armor.
Duskblade 3/Wizard 2 or Duskblade 4/Wizard 1. Play a conjurer with Abrupt Jaunt and the simple wizard variant that lets you trade out Scribe Scroll for a bonus fighter feat. Again, you'll drop down to BAB +18, but it'll give you access to quite a bit.
Eternal wands.

If I were making this an actual IC entry, I'd probably dig around a bit more until I found something reasonable, but I'm sure it's doable.

**Kazyan** · 2013-07-22, 06:29 PM (ISO 8601)

My other idea was...actually, I think I'll keep part of this trick for later. But it involved Unseelie Fey, coup de gracing oneself with a scythe and Smite Fey, and transferring half the damage to an enemy with Dahlver-Nahr. Turned out Power Attack was a much bigger contribution than Smite Fey and the damage barely kept up, so I discarded the idea before the deadline. Also, Unseelie Cheese--I would have been flogging myself afterwards if I submitted. The build also managed 2 levels of Crusader at the end for Aura of Perfect Order, because automatic 11s on Dispel checks rock.

**Xodion** · 2013-07-22, 06:38 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Kazyan

My other idea was...actually, I think I'll keep part of this trick for later.

This is why I've been so quiet the last few months - I've had ideas and not submitted them, but I don't want to discuss them and give away my tricks in case I can re-use them in later contests

**Haluesen** · 2013-07-22, 06:39 PM (ISO 8601)

Aw but it is fun to look at interesting build ideas.

Big part of the reason I'm here!

Excuse me for my ignorance, but what is meant by Unseelie Cheese?

**Thurbane** · 2013-07-22, 06:54 PM (ISO 8601)

I thought about a couple of builds - Favoured Soul 10/Cold Iron Warrrior 10 was the most straightforward, looking for a deity that had a grudge against Fey.

The other was Duskblade 4/Ur Priest 2/Cold Iron Warrior 10/Ur Priest +4 - although I was a bit iffy about how picking up divine casting after taking levels in Ur-Priest works. The wording could be interprested that it is OK, so long as you get it AFTER taking levels in Ur Priest, and as long as you are not directly worshipping a god.

Also, general question - are the races from OA allowed in Iron Chef, in cases where they didn't have LA listed until Dragon 318 update, or is this considered "Dragon Magazine material"?

Anyways, 18 builds to judge, so I'll make a styart tonight or tomorrow...

**thethird** · 2013-07-22, 06:55 PM (ISO 8601)

Some of the abilities of the Unseelie fey template can get out of hand with a high charisma. I wouldn't call it cheesy though.

**Kazyan** · 2013-07-22, 06:57 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Haluesen

Excuse me for my ignorance, but what is meant by Unseelie Cheese?

Unseelie Fey is a ridiculously powerful template is you follow the debatable interpretation of it being LA+0. I mean, it gives you flight.

**thethird** · 2013-07-22, 06:59 PM (ISO 8601)

It is not debatable...

SRD: Generally, if a template does not cause a change to a certain statistic, that entry is missing from the template description.

Thus the lack of LA only means that it doesn't change LA (i.e. LA +0)

**Piggy Knowles** · 2013-07-22, 07:02 PM (ISO 8601)

It's debatable because in the statblock for the unseelie fey gnome they say it's LA +0, but it doesn't have a listed LA in the description of the template itself. But Dragon Magazine Compendium is a VERY poorly edited book, and LA +0 is clearly not a reasonable interpretation. I'd never allow it in one of my games, and I'm a relatively permissive DM.

**Haluesen** · 2013-07-22, 07:02 PM (ISO 8601)

Hmm so I see. I guess that makes sense. Where could I find this template, to see for myself? So if something says LA - , then it can be used with no LA? Or does it just have to literally not have a LA written down?

**Piggy Knowles** · 2013-07-22, 07:05 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Haluesen

Hmm so I see. I guess that makes sense. Where could I find this template, to see for myself? So if something says LA - , then it can be used with no LA? Or does it just have to literally not have a LA written down?

It's in Dragon Magazine Compendium. And the issue here is that the main description of the template does not list an LA (nor does its counterpart, the Seelie Fey). Ordinarily that would mean LA --, which is not usable by a player.

However, in the statblock of the sample creature (an unseelie fey gnome), they list LA +0. But can statblocks of sample creatures actually provide crunch? I'd tend to say no, especially given how notorious WotC is for getting their sample statblocks wrong.

**JaronK** · 2013-07-22, 07:06 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Haluesen

Hmm so I see. I guess that makes sense. Where could I find this template, to see for myself? So if something says LA - , then it can be used with no LA? Or does it just have to literally not have a LA written down?

LA:- means you explicilty can't use it. No LA is the same. But Unseelie Fey (found in Dragon Compendium) has an example Unseelie Fey Gnome with LA: +0, so that indicates it was indeed supposed to be that.

Of course, it's an insanely powerful template at +0.

JaronK

**Kuulvheysoon** · 2013-07-22, 07:08 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Thurbane

Also, general question - are the races from OA allowed in Iron Chef, in cases where they didn't have LA listed until Dragon 318 update, or is this considered "Dragon Magazine material"?

As it was not included in the Dragon Compendium, it is (at least, as long as I'm Chair) not considered kosher.

**Haluesen** · 2013-07-22, 07:20 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Piggy Knowles

It's in Dragon Magazine Compendium. And the issue here is that the main description of the template does not list an LA (nor does its counterpart, the Seelie Fey). Ordinarily that would mean LA --, which is not usable by a player.

However, in the statblock of the sample creature (an unseelie fey gnome), they list LA +0. But can statblocks of sample creatures actually provide crunch? I'd tend to say no, especially given how notorious WotC is for getting their sample statblocks wrong.

Originally Posted by JaronK

LA:- means you explicilty can't use it. No LA is the same. But Unseelie Fey (found in Dragon Compendium) has an example Unseelie Fey Gnome with LA: +0, so that indicates it was indeed supposed to be that.

Of course, it's an insanely powerful template at +0.

JaronK

Oh okay then.

I always seem to be learning new things here, thank you all. If I ever can get my hands on the Compendium then I'll look it over, and see about assigning a fair LA to it to use for DMing. Then again in that case CR improvement may be more important..oh well I'll figure it out.

**Thurbane** · 2013-07-22, 08:50 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by thethird

It is not debatable...

SRD: Generally, if a template does not cause a change to a certain statistic, that entry is missing from the template description.

Thus the lack of LA only means that it doesn't change LA (i.e. LA +0)

So...free Paragon Creature templates for all?

**Darkcouch** · 2013-07-22, 10:21 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Piggy Knowles

Hmm. My initial response would be to use your prepared spells from CIW to prep Luminous Armor, but that requires a good alignment, and you'll need to be any non-good for the build to work. Dragonmarks could also pick it up, although that would require more cross-setting material than is typically kosher for an IC.

In any case, there are a few ways you could overcome the issue. Right off the cuff, you've got...

A level of Spellsword over the last level of Abjurant Champion, with Practiced Spellcaster to make up the CL difference.
A dip into cleric early on, which will knock the BAB down to +18 but give you a plethora of defensive options.
Thistledown padded armor.
Duskblade 3/Wizard 2 or Duskblade 4/Wizard 1. Play a conjurer with Abrupt Jaunt and the simple wizard variant that lets you trade out Scribe Scroll for a bonus fighter feat. Again, you'll drop down to BAB +18, but it'll give you access to quite a bit.
Eternal wands.

If I were making this an actual IC entry, I'd probably dig around a bit more until I found something reasonable, but I'm sure it's doable.

Hmm I think Duskblade 5/CIW 8/NDB 1/Spellsword 1/Ab Champ 5 might do the trick.

**Thurbane** · 2013-07-22, 10:38 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Kuulvheysoon

As it was not included in the Dragon Compendium, it is (at least, as long as I'm Chair) not considered kosher.

Good to know, I'll abandon my plans for a Green Snake Naga character.

**OMG PONIES** · 2013-07-23, 08:25 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Razanir

They range from many medium-length classes, to one really long class name (Champion of the Wild Spirit Guide Wildshape Ranger), to several templates and racial options (half fey human major fey bloodline)

Yeah, there were some long ones there...I'm kind of suprised the half-fey with the fey bloodline didn't take Feytouched as a race as well. Fey Heritage feats as well as the Unseelie Fey template to be a Half-Fey Unseelie Fey Feytouched Fey Bloodline Fey Heritage Fey Killer. Her name would have to be Faye, for bonus points. But what I was talking about was the actual character names and titles. "Thou-Shalt-Break-Them-With-a-Rod-of-Iron" is one heck of a middle name.

Originally Posted by thethird

So... my builds that ended being destroyed when my pc died where:

An Illumian warlock 7 / Cold Iron Warrior 9 / Sacred Exorcist 4

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{table=head] Level |Class |BAB |Fort Save |Ref Save |Will Save |Skills |Feats |Class features

1 |Warlock |0 |0 |0 |2 |knowledge (nature) 4 , knowledge (the planes) 4 , use magic device 4 , spellcraft 4 |Education |Eldritch blast 1d6, invocation (least)

2 |Warlock |1 |0 |0 |3 |knowledge (nature) 5 , knowledge (religion) 1 , knowledge (the planes) 4 , use magic device 5 , spellcraft 5 | |Detect Magic

3 |Warlock |2 |1 |1 |3 |knowledge (nature) 6 , knowledge (religion) 2 , knowledge (the planes) 4 , use magic device 6 , spellcraft 6 |Intuitive strike |Damage reduction 1/cold iron, eldritch blast 2d6

4 |Warlock |3 |1 |1 |4 |knowledge (nature) 7 , knowledge (religion) 2 , knowledge (the planes) 4 , use magic device 6 , spellcraft 7 , collector of stories | |Deceive item

5 |Warlock |4 |1 |1 |4 |knowledge (nature) 8 , knowledge (religion) 3 , knowledge (the planes) 5 , use magic device 6 , spellcraft 8 , collector of stories | |Eldritch blast 3d6

6 |Warlock |4 |2 |2 |5 |knowledge (nature) 9 , knowledge (religion) 4 , knowledge (the planes) 6 , use magic device 6 , spellcraft 9 , collector of stories |Iron Will |New invocation (least or lesser)

7 |Warlock |5 |2 |2 |5 |knowledge (nature) 10 , knowledge (religion) 5 , knowledge (the planes) 7 , use magic device 6 , spellcraft 10 , collector of stories | |Damage reduction 2/cold iron, eldritch blast 4d6

8 |Cold Iron Knight |6 |2 |2 |7 |knowledge (nature) 11 , knowledge (religion) 6 , knowledge (the planes) 8 , use magic device 6 , spellcraft 11 , collector of stories | |Smite fey (1/day)

9 |Cold Iron Knight |7 |2 |2 |8 |knowledge (nature) 12 , knowledge (religion) 7 , knowledge (the planes) 9 , use magic device 6 , spellcraft 12 , collector of stories |Planar touchstone |Detect fey, iron mind +2

10 |Cold Iron Knight |8 |3 |3 |8 |knowledge (arcana) 1 , knowledge (nature) 13 , knowledge (religion) 7 , knowledge (the planes) 10 , use magic device 6 , spellcraft 13 , collector of stories | |Dispel magic (1/day)

11 |Cold Iron Knight |9 |3 |3 |8 |knowledge (arcana) 2 , knowledge (nature) 14 , knowledge (religion) 7 , knowledge (the planes) 11 , use magic device 6 , spellcraft 14 , collector of stories | |Mind over magic (1/day)

12 |Sacred Exorcist |10 |3 |3 |8 |knowledge (arcana) 3 , knowledge (nature) 15 , knowledge (religion) 7 , knowledge (the planes) 12 , use magic device 6 , spellcraft 15 , collector of stories |Divine Defiance |Exorcism, turn undead

13 |Cold Iron Knight |10 |3 |3 |10 |knowledge (arcana) 4 , knowledge (nature) 16 , knowledge (religion) 7 , knowledge (the planes) 13 , use magic device 6 , spellcraft 16 , collector of stories | |Smite fey (2/day), unmaking magic

14 |Sacred Exorcist |11 |3 |3 |11 |knowledge (arcana) 5 , knowledge (nature) 17 , knowledge (religion) 7 , knowledge (the planes) 14 , use magic device 6 , spellcraft 17 , collector of stories | |Detect Evil, resist possession

15 |Sacred Exorcist |12 |4 |4 |11 |knowledge (arcana) 5 , knowledge (nature) 18 , knowledge (religion) 8 , knowledge (the planes) 15 , use magic device 6 , spellcraft 18 , collector of stories |Knowledge devotion |Chosen foe +1

16 |Sacred Exorcist |13 |4 |4 |12 |knowledge (arcana) 5 , knowledge (nature) 19 , knowledge (religion) 9 , knowledge (the planes) 16 , use magic device 6 , spellcraft 19 , collector of stories | |Dispel evil (1/week)

17 |Cold Iron Knight |14 |5 |5 |13 |knowledge (arcana) 5 , knowledge (nature) 21 , knowledge (religion) 11 , knowledge (the planes) 18 , use magic device 6 , spellcraft 21 , collector of stories | |Dispel magic (2/day)

18 |Cold Iron Knight |15 |5 |5 |13 |knowledge (arcana) 5 , knowledge (nature) 21 , knowledge (religion) 11 , knowledge (the planes) 18 , use magic device 6 , spellcraft 21 , collector of stories |Quicken Spell-like ability |Cold iron strike

19 |Cold Iron Knight |16 |5 |5 |14 |knowledge (arcana) 5 , knowledge (nature) 22 , knowledge (religion) 12 , knowledge (the planes) 19 , use magic device 6 , spellcraft 22 , collector of stories | |Iron mind +4, mind over magic (2/day)

20 |Cold Iron Knight |17 |6 |6 |14 |knowledge (arcana) 5 , knowledge (nature) 23 , knowledge (religion) 13 , knowledge (the planes) 20 , use magic device 6 , spellcraft 23 , collector of stories | |Dispel magic (3/day) [/table]

And an Azurin Soulborn 6 / Cold Iron Warrior 10 / Incandescent Champion 4

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|Concentration 4, Knowledge (nature) 16.5, Spellcraft 17|-|Incarnum Overload 1/day[/table]

Unfortunately I hadn't saved more than the tables in self pms before everything went downhill.

Why you cheeky monkey! I was also working on a Soulborn build, which would have been a
LE Frostblood Half-Orc Soulborn 8/Cold Iron Warrior 7/Witch Slayer 5:

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1. Power Attack, Endurance (Racial)
3. Iron Will, Sapphire Smiting (class)
6. Awesome Smiting
7. Soultouched Spellcasting (class)
9. Headlong Rush
12. Extra Smiting
15. Divine Denial
18. Indomitable Soul

Mettle & Evasion (Impulse Boots), charging smites that deal double damage as well as stunning and tripping opponents (Thunderstep Boots & Awesome Smite), and the ability to add Will saves to no-save divine spells seemed like a good recipe, but I didn't really have a story behind him. Momentary Disjunction just seemed like a sick capstone, and Witch Slayer still picks up Slippery Mind.

On a more Eberron-flavored note, I was also looking at a
Human Ranger 5/Cold Iron Warrior 8/Heir of Siberys 3/Eldeen Ranger (Greensinger) 4:

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1. Weapon Finesse, Iron Will (racial), Track (class)
2. TWF (class)
3. Knowledge Devotion, Endurance (class)
6. Improved TWF
9. Heroic Spirit
12. Greater TWF
15. Dragonmark Smite
18. Dragonmark Spellturning

Improved Siberys Mark of Sentinel means 2/day mind blank, and we've got full Cold Iron Warrior casting as well as CHA to all saves. Greensingers have cool fey-related perks, and Dragonmark Smite & Spellturning reap maximum reward with minimum investment from Heir of Siberys. We can knock out smite victims for a minute as well as sending spells back at the caster without burning a Mind Over Magic. Granted, Action Points are a limited currency (even with our multiple sources of extras) and the main schtick didn't come online until late in the build. Both of them lacked a compelling story aside from "I am the Law!" or "I really hate fey!" so they never took off.

**thethird** · 2013-07-23, 08:34 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by OMG PONIES

Why you cheeky monkey! I was also working on a Soulborn build, which would have been a
LE Frostblood Half-Orc Soulborn 8/Cold Iron Warrior 7/Witch Slayer 5:

I guess great minds (or cheeky monkeys) think alike.

**Amphetryon** · 2013-07-23, 08:51 PM (ISO 8601)

The build I didn't finish:

Ardent 8/Cold Iron Warrior 9/Psionic Wonder Worker 3.

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