General WoD Discussion #3 Third time's the charm - No wait, that sounds too Exalted

[Sith_Happens]

Hmm. Have you considered silvering the barrels of your weapons so that it will transfer in some part to each round as you fire, rather than going to the expense of silvering bullets?

I'm pretty sure the silver transferred that way would be essentially trace amounts.

[Silus]

Well if you have a cop friend and the bad guys are holding hostages that offers some possibilities if you're ruthless enough to get cops mixed up with a bunch of werewolves

That was one thing I was gonna tinker with. Call in as a "concerned neighbor", see if I can't get an officer to investigate. Assuming what I think will happen will happen (the supernaturals attack the officers), then we essentially got ourselves a siege that we can sit back and watch.

Wait, you have a Malleus priest on your team? Does he not have the Benediction that lets him see supernatural creatures (I think it's called "Sight of Saint Abel")?

The only one he has that I know of is the healing one, and he's picking up the Lazarus one next. My character is on that path (for Malleus Benedictions) but currently Resources and such are priority (only have two dots in Resources, need more, if only to afford weapons and ammo).

[comicshorse]

That was one thing I was gonna tinker with. Call in as a "concerned neighbor", see if I can't get an officer to investigate. Assuming what I think will happen will happen (the supernaturals attack the officers), then we essentially got ourselves a siege that we can sit back and watch.

And if the cop wanders out blank faced, mumbling 'There's nothing strange here' you'll know it's Vampires

[Leliel]

Fun note: About the Demon Kickstarter, the preview is basically the raw text of the completed book, sans art.

You read it, you already know what Demon is about.

(Also, it is about being awesome on bread, from the look of it. Demon: The Fallen can weep).

[Lord Raziere]

read Demon the Descent. y'know the preview.

I love it already. it has joined Mage and Changeling as one of my favorite WoD lines.

I'm even thinking of making a group of characters called The Gamblers, who are all beings who somehow manipulate luck and chance, with at least one Mage, Demon and Changeling in them. and then totally engaging in three-way espionage rebellion action against the Exarchs, Gentry and the God-Machine. All at once. Because taking on just one cosmic super-enemy of unfathomable power with guts, wits and magic just isn't recklessly suicidal enough.

[Lady Serpentine]

Let me know if they need a min-maxed to hell (albeit, with a reasonable-ish explanation) bodyguard if you ever do; I have a character who'd love a shot at the Gentry.

[SaurOps]

I'm pretty sure the silver transferred that way would be essentially trace amounts.

And even if you use hard metal bullets to get out more silver, that'll work once and then mess up the rifling.

[Lady Serpentine]

And even if you use hard metal bullets to get out more silver, that'll work once and then mess up the rifling.

Mm. It depends on how much silver you need, really. If it's supposed to be that fairly major amounts are needed? Sure. If you just need a little bit before it hits them? It might work. *Shrugs* Wasn't saying it was necessarily a good idea in general, or even would work in this specific instance, just that it was something to inquire with the ST about.

[Lord Raziere]

Yo C'nor. I can't reply to the last PM you sent about those nwod fan splats you talked about, your PM box is too full, clear some space.

[Lady Serpentine]

Aye aye, someone sent me stuff while I was asleep, sorry about that.

[Silus]

Ok, the aforementioned Hunter game I was in fell through when a party of 4 non-combat characters tried to raid a Juju-zombie controlled tenement building WITHOUT the combat monkey. It went as well as you'd think.

Anyway, working on a Vampire: The Requiem character and I've a question about Virtues:

The concept is a mousy, non-confrontational bookstore owner (Thinking Mekhet/Malkavian) that outright refuses to drink from mortals, preferring to get their blood from a local blood bank that their bookstore advertises.

Anyway, the refusal to drink from mortals, would that fall more under Fortitude or Prudence? I'm torn, as Fortitude would be like "No, I said I wouldn't drink from a human, and I'm not gonna", whereas Prudence I think would be more "It's not smart to eat from humans, as it could be traced back to me and I could die and all my books destroyed".

[Lord Raziere]

wait, the blood bank method actually works? I thought the blood had to be straight from the body....

[Silus]

Well according to the NWoD vamp book, there is, at the least, a derogatory term for vamps that get their blood from banks. It's not very flavorful, but it apparently gets the job done.

[Nerd-o-rama]

Low-BP vamps can hypothetically subsist on bagged/stored blood, but it takes a lot more blood volume than eating straight from a mortal since there's so little actual "Vitae" in dead blood. It's something like 1/8 of a point per 1-oz. blood pack. I recommend combining this with at least a rank in the Coil of Blood, two if you ever plan on getting above about 4 Blood Potency.

[Lord Raziere]

I recommend combining this with at least a rank in the Coil of Blood, two if you ever plan on getting above about 4 Blood Potency.

I'm confused. Why wouldn't I get two ranks in Coil of Blood?

[Vertharrad]

I'm confused. Why wouldn't I get two ranks in Coil of Blood?

Your not with The Ordo Dracul?

[The Glyphstone]

Your not with The Ordo Dracul?

I think you mean "You didn't say you were a member of the Ordo Dracul in backstory?"

[Turalisj]

So I'm already making a Demon character

Got a pretty good background for him too, he was once the Guardian assigned to the Library of Alexandria..... yeah.

[SaurOps]

So I'm already making a Demon character

Got a pretty good background for him too, he was once the Guardian assigned to the Library of Alexandria..... yeah.

"So... how did that work out?"

"You know damn well how it worked out! Now stop asking!"

[Turalisj]

For those interested:

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Andromalius, the Baron of Lies and Thieves, was once an Angel tasked with managing what information was brought into the Library of Alexandria. As a Messenger, information was his lifeblood, and he reveled in the information that the God-Machine granted him. But the humans, they were something all their own. They created, changed, reacted. It was an intoxicant of it's own. Before he knew it, Andros was attached to the Library in a way that he never thought possible. A new Angel came, to tear the library down. Andros was not a fighter however, and the Angel who appeared was a Sword. He managed to blind the Angel, scarring it's eyes, and taking some of the rarer works and hiding them across the world.

It wasn't long before he was approached by more Demons, offering him shelter and assistance. With their help, he was able to adapt to the new world, or new to him. He was no longer connected to the God-Machine, no longer in touch with all that was. So Andromalius began to rebuild. He used his knowledge to help humanity, a little at a time so as to not draw attention. In Italy, he was a pupil of Leonardo and an advocate in the church for Galileo. In England, he was a quirky and radical professor, nudging Newton along.

Under his longest guise, she was a lover of Benjamin Franklin's. Known then as Anne, she whispered into his ear at night to fly a kite during a storm. He took her with him to America, and Anne fell in love with the sheer drive and ingenuity of the fledgling country. But in her thrill, Anne let slip her Cover. As an Angel was prepared to strike Franklin down, Anne blocked the blow and slew the Angel. But her wounds were great, and she was forced to go into rest for the next two hundred years.

When World War Two broke out, Anne was stirred from her slumber. She found herself in Oak Ridge. Working a Cover, Anne became a waitress at a diner. She talked to scientists, plying information from them and giving it in return. Anne for a time found peace, living as the wife of a scientist in the American space program. When her husband passed, Anne took the guise of their child, becoming Andy Roll.

Now, Andy has moved to Detroit, in the neverending goal to advance the knowledge of humanity.

[MugaSofer]

That reminds me, I keep meaning to post Superman statted as as a Demon ... I've got it pretty much worked out just from reading the preview.

[Nerd-o-rama]

I'm confused. Why wouldn't I get two ranks in Coil of Blood?

There must be some reason for Vampires to join things that aren't the Ordo Dracul, right?

[Vertharrad]

I think you mean "You didn't say you were a member of the Ordo Dracul in backstory?"

I stand corrected...but i think we all know what I was getting at. Shame on you if you didn't. The coils are practiced by The Ordo Dracul.

[Lord Raziere]

There must be some reason for Vampires to join things that aren't the Ordo Dracul, right?

like what? Cruac? Theban Sorcery? creepy magics that seem to have no practical use? bloodlines that give you just as many flaws as benefits? The Invictus where your basically going to be happily living under the elder vampires boot forever? The Carthians, who aren't actually democratic (or all democratic), just modern and could very well be just as oppressive?

if there is any, I don't see it. y'know aside from Ordo Dracul having high standards.

[Lady Serpentine]

Do believe that was sarcasm.

That said, if things really are that crappy in... Anything else, it sounds like... it's a pretty big flaw and I'd expect something to be done about it so that those characters who'd fit better in something else aren't screwed.

[Lord Raziere]

what was done about it was that they specifically said in the Ordo Dracul book that they only accepted like, vampires who met their high monastic standards or something, while all the other factions go "eh, I don't believe them, they're probably lying about their coil things" and then went on about how the Coils themselves are really bleeping hard to get, like, just for first coil of blood? it involves the vampiric equivalent of fasting, and like, goes up from there.

basically? the reason not all vampires is running around with Coils is the same reason not everyone is running around with martial arts. they take too much time and effort, because the vampires have other things they need to do.

[Nerd-o-rama]

Coils are ridiculously useful compared to other faction-specific things, but so is being a ten year military veteran with a variety of exotic firearms, and not everyone is going to have that either.

(Coils of Blood are pretty much required for "nice" vampires to stay nice forever, though, there's not really any getting around it.)

[Cirrylius]

Agoraphobic werewolves, huh? Colloidal silver in the sprinkler system?

[SaurOps]

Agoraphobic werewolves, huh? Colloidal silver in the sprinkler system?

Silver salts aren't the kind of silver that hurts werewolves. Well, aside from the potential for argyria, anyway.

[One Tin Soldier]

So, those of you who have read the whole if Demon and apparently love it, I have a question.

What do you actually do as a Demon?

I read the QuickStart recently, and while it was plenty interesting, the only plot thing that they really mentioned was Infrastucture. And as diverse as Infrastructure is, and as many interesting missions can be gotten out of it, it's still only one type of plot. I imagine that you can only take out so many lynchpins before it starts getting same-y. So what else is there? What do demons do when they're not out to sabotage the G-M, and not just staying safe in their Covers?