Minecraft Thread XII: Don't Kick the Bukkit

[druid91]

Definitely. I mean most things start from boxes and work outwords, or dress them. My current house is one box that expanded into two, then into one long box and now it's rather L shaped with a mine entrance and a 'porch' containing a steam boiler.

There's nothing wrong with a box, they're just not the prettiest things ever.

It depends on where I am. A lot of my stuff starts as semi-spheres or tubes.

But boxes are also involved, as I'm fond of Brutalist architecture.

[Astral Avenger]

It depends on where I am. A lot of my stuff starts as semi-spheres or tubes.

But boxes are also involved, as I'm fond of Brutalist architecture.

you mean hemispheres?

[NecroRebel]

you mean hemispheres?

I assume he means either shapes that are as close to spherical as possible given the noncontinuous nature of Minecraft (blocky spheres), or shapes that are kind of like spheres but that aren't actually like eggs and such.

[druid91]

I assume he means either shapes that are as close to spherical as possible given the noncontinuous nature of Minecraft (blocky spheres), or shapes that are kind of like spheres but that aren't actually like eggs and such.

This. Though Hemispheres are there too.

[Astral Avenger]

ah, ok, i'm no longer confuzled.

[HeavensAngel]

I prefer creating a house in an asthetically pleasing natural cave, or by hollowing out a mountain, making the entrance hidden, and creating rooms as I see fit, to the limits of the mountain I am in. Can lead to interesting building challenges that can lead to even cooler end results. All in all, what my imagination can dwelve up that in end would look the most amazing. I'll occassionally make the excessively large castle... Excessively large....

[druid91]

I prefer creating a house in an asthetically pleasing natural cave, or by hollowing out a mountain, making the entrance hidden, and creating rooms as I see fit, to the limits of the mountain I am in. Can lead to interesting building challenges that can lead to even cooler end results. All in all, what my imagination can dwelve up that in end would look the most amazing. I'll occassionally make the excessively large castle... Excessively large....

The hidden cavern complex is fun and simple for survival. It's usually my starting point as I expand into my mines.

[Draconi Redfir]

i was going to go for a "hamster 3d maze" feel with a base on a multiplayer server, having hidden doors, hallways that lead you to nowhere, traps that you need to take a longer path to get around, that kind of thing. sadly i never did it because i would always play on that server with my girlfreind, who lost internet for sevral months, and now apparently the server is going to reboot again to 1.7 so there would be no point.

[Saposhiente]

i was going to go for a "hamster 3d maze" feel with a base on a multiplayer server, having hidden doors, hallways that lead you to nowhere, traps that you need to take a longer path to get around, that kind of thing. sadly i never did it because i would always play on that server with my girlfreind, who lost internet for sevral months, and now apparently the server is going to reboot again to 1.7 so there would be no point.

This is why I oppose map resets.

[Leon]

i was going to go for a "hamster 3d maze" feel with a base on a multiplayer server, having hidden doors, hallways that lead you to nowhere, traps that you need to take a longer path to get around, that kind of thing. sadly i never did it because i would always play on that server with my girlfreind, who lost internet for sevral months, and now apparently the server is going to reboot again to 1.7 so there would be no point.

No reason to not have a go at doing it and then when the world is rest you have a idea of what to do to make it better

[Astral Avenger]

so the plan is to start with new maps for 1.7? everything will be gone?

(note to self, do not invest time/energy into building stuff until after update)

[HeavensAngel]

Not exactly sure. I'll be getting my new hard drive tomorrow. So hopefully, I'll be able to get everything back on it by tomorrow, so that I can make it onto the minecraft server, and see if I can't get a couple of events going for you guys. If anyone wants to participate. That is... If we have the event worlds up.

[druid91]

so the plan is to start with new maps for 1.7? everything will be gone?

(note to self, do not invest time/energy into building stuff until after update)

That would sadden me, as some of our constructions only work because they were grandfathered in before they changed the way things were built.

Nethertown/Netherheim for example, would be impossible to rebuild because using ice in the nether no longer works.

[Ogremindes]

That would sadden me, as some of our constructions only work because they were grandfathered in before they changed the way things were built.

Nethertown/Netherheim for example, would be impossible to rebuild because using ice in the nether no longer works.

Actually ice can go in the nether again. It just can't be turned to water.

[OracleofWuffing]

Not exactly sure. I'll be getting my new hard drive tomorrow. So hopefully, I'll be able to get everything back on it by tomorrow, so that I can make it onto the minecraft server, and see if I can't get a couple of events going for you guys. If anyone wants to participate. That is... If we have the event worlds up.

I'd volunteer my hard drive space, but something tells me it'd be like fitting a bucket of water into an eyedrop.

[druid91]

Actually ice can go in the nether again. It just can't be turned to water.

Turning it into water is the whole point. How else are we supposed to have a functioning nether-hamlet?

[Saposhiente]

so the plan is to start with new maps for 1.7? everything will be gone?

(note to self, do not invest time/energy into building stuff until after update)

A bunch of people asked for this, but I was not convinced. A map reset is not planned.

[Darth Mario]

A bunch of people asked for this, but I was not convinced. A map reset is not planned.

I think the request was actually to start a singular new map for 1.7, due to the vast overhaul of the biome system. No reason that would require the other maps to disappear, right?

[Ogremindes]

I think the request was actually to start a singular new map for 1.7, due to the vast overhaul of the biome system. No reason that would require the other maps to disappear, right?

Bukkit's still stuck on 1.5. And that's what powers Multiverse.

[Darth Mario]

Bukkit's still stuck on 1.5. And that's what powers Multiverse.

Fair enough.

(Though I just checked the Bukkit site and it says the latest recommended version is 1.6.2, could we at least update that far?)

[Blackdrop]

As far I can tell this is a breakdown of peoples interest in a server reset (if you feel you were mislabeled, tell me and I will change what you are marked as):

Spoiler: Interested:

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-Astral_Avenger(Expressed Interest in backing up/keeping the current map)
-Darth Mario
-Domochevsky(Expressed Interest in beta/snapshot server)
-druid91(Expressed Interest in backing up/keeping the current map)
-Eldest(Expressed Interest in backing up/keeping the current map)
-leafman
-Legoshrimp(Expressed Interest in beta/snapshot server)
-Leon
-Ogremindes(Expressed Interest in beta/snapshot server)
-Osiris_Shadowblade

Spoiler: Not Interested:

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-Phhase
-Saposhiente

Spoiler: Abstain

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-Codemus
-NecroRebel
-Triaxx

Spoiler: Interest not Stated (or I missed it):

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-Artemis97
-Draconi Redfir
-enderlord99
-Heavens Angel
-Madara
-Matthias2207
-OracleofWuffing
-t209
-The_Underlord
-Togath
-userpay
-Volthawk

[Draconi Redfir]

i'm kinda on the edge about it, i think it would be a good idea to go for a more-vanilla server with only one world so we can update any mods we do have faster and not be stuck three updates behund, but at the same time there are one or two things on the current server i would be sad to see go, though to be fair i haven't really touched any of them in ages due to trouble getting onto the server and a general trouble keeping interested.

[Ogremindes]

As far I can tell this is a breakdown of peoples interest in a server reset (if you feel you were mislabeled, tell me and I will change what you are marked as):

I also support a snapshot server (but don't think it should start until 1.7 is at least in RC) as the second best option. Looking at those numbers it'd probably end up the de facto main server anyway.

[druid91]

As far I can tell this is a breakdown of peoples interest in a server reset (if you feel you were mislabeled, tell me and I will change what you are marked as):

Spoiler: Interested:

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-Darth Mario
-Domochevsky(Expressed Interest in beta/snapshot server)
-Eldest
-leafman
-Legoshrimp(Expressed Interest in beta/snapshot server)
-Ogremindes(Expressed Interest in beta/snapshot server)
-Osiris_Shadowblade

Spoiler: Not Interested:

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-druid91
-Phhase
-Saposhiente

Spoiler: Interest not Stated (or I missed it):

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-Artemis97
-Astra_Avenger
-Codemus
-Draconi Redfir
-enderlord99
-Heavens Angel
-Leon
-Madara
-Matthias2207
-NecroRebel
-OracleofWuffing
-ShneekeyTheLost
-t209
-The_Underlord
-Togath
-Triaxx
-userpay
-Volthawk

Oh, I'm fully in support of switching to 1.7, I just don't want our current worlds to be dumped. Even though I can't go there without lagging to baator and back, it's sorta historical to walk around through spawn or the other older areas. And as I said, some of our constructions are grandfathered in.

[Triaxx]

Triaxx doesn't play multiplayer, so it doesn't matter one way or the other.

[Codemus]

As far I can tell this is a breakdown of peoples interest in a server reset (if you feel you were mislabeled, tell me and I will change what you are marked as):

Spoiler: Interested:

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-Darth Mario
-Domochevsky(Expressed Interest in beta/snapshot server)
-Eldest
-leafman
-Legoshrimp(Expressed Interest in beta/snapshot server)
-Ogremindes(Expressed Interest in beta/snapshot server)
-Osiris_Shadowblade

Spoiler: Not Interested:

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-druid91
-Phhase
-Saposhiente

Spoiler: Interest not Stated (or I missed it):

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-Artemis97
-Astra_Avenger
-Codemus
-Draconi Redfir
-enderlord99
-Heavens Angel
-Leon
-Madara
-Matthias2207
-NecroRebel
-OracleofWuffing
-ShneekeyTheLost
-t209
-The_Underlord
-Togath
-Triaxx
-userpay
-Volthawk

Sorry, didn't know something was up for debate. Personally I wouldn't loose a whole lot to a world reset, but other people would. So since I have no real opinion on the matter, I abstain.

[Astral Avenger]

As far I can tell this is a breakdown of peoples interest in a server reset (if you feel you were mislabeled, tell me and I will change what you are marked as):

Spoiler: Interested:

Show

-Darth Mario
-Domochevsky(Expressed Interest in beta/snapshot server)
-Eldest
-leafman
-Legoshrimp(Expressed Interest in beta/snapshot server)
-Ogremindes(Expressed Interest in beta/snapshot server)
-Osiris_Shadowblade

Spoiler: Not Interested:

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-druid91
-Phhase
-Saposhiente

Spoiler: Interest not Stated (or I missed it):

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-Artemis97
-Astra_Avenger
-Codemus
-Draconi Redfir
-enderlord99
-Heavens Angel
-Leon
-Madara
-Matthias2207
-NecroRebel
-OracleofWuffing
-ShneekeyTheLost
-t209
-The_Underlord
-Togath
-Triaxx
-userpay
-Volthawk

I would be interested in having a 1.7 beta server that was a new map, but then keeping the old maps too, similar to how it was handled for the last biggish update.

[Eldest]

I'd volunteer my hard drive space, but something tells me it'd be like fitting a bucket of water into an eyedrop.

Wrong hard drive, that's his personal computer he's talking about. Sapo was talking about the server hard drive.

Re: Server Changes

From what I've discussed with people, the problem is that the security stuff that allows us to roll back stuff we don't like (i.e. griefing) is all tied up in bukkit. Bukkit is being stupid and not updating. And so we are stuck behind where bukkit (and more importantly Hawkeye, which is the thing that lets us fix griefing) are.
My personal recommendation would be to save the bits of the server that people think are impressive and put those in a distant corner of the new map/a different world, or to backup the old server, make a new map and have that be the active one (similar to how release was treated).

[NecroRebel]

As I said before, I didn't really get in to playing on the server because I wasn't sure where would and wouldn't be an acceptable place to mine or build, but I'm not sure that a server reset would help with that. I guess you could take that as a stated ambivalence.

[Leon]

I'd just like the server to be current with the game as much as possible. But new biomes make for a better exploration experience so I'm all for a 1.7 reboot