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2013-09-30, 06:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Force Missle Mage
Can you make Force Missile Mage viable without fell drain, fell frighten, and fell weaken. I've seen other builds and advice but almost every one includes the above feats. Can you make magic missile something you actually want to use above really low levels?
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2013-09-30, 06:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Force Missle Mage
No.
Without those metamagics it's just very low direct damage that allows SR and can be neutralized entirely with a low level spell.
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2013-09-30, 06:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Force Missle Mage
The problem is, just about anything you can do to improve Magic Missle, such as Empower, Maximize, Twin Spell, etc. can just as easily be applied to other, more efficient spells. The various Fell effects work well because they apply a stacking effect on each individual missile, rather than just improving the overall damage of the spell.
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2013-09-30, 06:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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You can do some pretty funny things with force missile mage, twin spell, repeating spell, quicken spell and meta reducers. Of course it still is subject to spell resistance and even though the obvious solutions to it are fixed it is still not the best use of power. Also those spells tend to raise the spell level quickly even with the reducers.
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2013-09-30, 07:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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You can make a Magic-Missile-centric Mailman, but it's not really doing anything that other spells can't also do (although from a special effects/character coolness perspective, exploding a dude with 30 Magic Missiles from a single casting action is pretty satisfying.) The Fell metamagics take advantage of Magic Missile to apply those effects in ways other direct-damage spells aren't as good at.
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2013-09-30, 07:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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I houseruled this to full casting for my girlfriend's sorceress. The rest of her spells are all BC, buffs like Haste, and other stuff. She mostly just uses it for finishing off foes who are locked down in BC that are still too risky to approach for our party BSF (who's a Dwarven Duskblade with a glaive). Its not THAT much more powerful than straight sorcerer, which while being rather bland, is still a fully functional T2 work of art.
Is it bad? Not really. Especially if the DM allows it to be full casting. Is it great? No. Is it Incantatrix? No way. Does everyone want to play an Incantatrix? No.
Just don't get too much tunnel vision to the point where MM is all you cast and you'll be fine.
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2013-09-30, 07:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Force Missle Mage
Bring in Isaac's Missile Storm from NWN; 40d6 force damage no save.
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2013-09-30, 08:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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You could further buff your FMM with some Argent Savant. It's a prc that focuses on force effects, making them deal more damage and provide more AC.
Not a strong boost for a FMM, but thematic. Should also provide a boost that stacks with Abjurant Champ.
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2013-09-30, 09:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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Using the Argent Savant and meta magic you can do some halfway decent damage to a single target but that's about it.
I've played that and it was a hell of a lot of fun, but a lot of that was that fact that he thought that "Force" magic was the only "Real" magic and took every force spell he could. The fact that he was evil might have had something to do with it too. Oddly it was the spell many jaws and not magic missile that that elf is really remembered for though.
Assassinating someone with a quickened, empowered, maximized, twined magic missile, and an empowered, maximized, twined, repeating magic missile does have its appeal though.
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2013-09-30, 11:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Honestly, I don't remember.
If it does, it probably also boosts your CL when casting a force spell. Since you seem to want to focus on FMM, it shouldn't be a problem.
Many jaws? Source?
No thundering or fell drain? :D
Streamers isn't a force effect, is it?
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2013-09-30, 11:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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Argent Savant does lose 1 CL
Streamers is not a force effect (damage is untyped)
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2013-09-30, 11:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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Mixing in heighten and, if you can swing PF material, Rime spell could be a useful trick. add some debuff to the fun once you get Energy missile. Similarly, you could potentially mix in born of three thunders. I'm tempted to toss in blistering spell, but i doubt that actually works, seeing as they need to fail a save, which is normally not present. If you add blistering to Bo3T somehow (energy admixture? ALL THE METAMAGIC!) that could be fun.
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2013-10-01, 03:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Force Missle Mage
Knowledge devotion and Lady's Gambit are decent boosts, once your FMM is using Twinned 7-missle spells. It's only +3 damage or so, but when added 14 times it can make a difference.
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2013-10-01, 04:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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It almost goes without saying you want some means of casting quickened True Casting (Arcane Spellsurge, Arcane Fusions, actual Quicken...) or Assay SR if you're going to use Magic Missiles as your workhorse.
You could maybe houserule in it working with Chain Missile from Spell Compendium, which mechanically follows the rules of magic missile right down to being spoofed by Shield. It isn't great, but at least it has twice the base damage at high level and Range:Long going for it (and man you can be a JERK with Range: Long).
With full casting this PRC becomes a lot better. It also becomes better when you combo it with War Mage from Age of Mortals or Abjurant Champion because both of them require Combat Casting as well. War Mage 5/FMM 5 especially is much more acceptable if only because the War Mage damage amps the Magic Missiles into more acceptable territory.
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2013-10-01, 08:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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War Mage 5/FMM 5 especially is much more acceptable if only because the War Mage damage amps the Magic Missiles into more acceptable territory.
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2013-10-01, 12:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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Be a manifester, cast Energy Missile [sonic] at people? It seems like more or less the same thing.
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