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2009-07-10, 07:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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A question about Mindsight
In the book Lords of Madness there is a feat called Mindsight which basically allows you to pinpoint the location of (like blindsense), and the Int and type of, any intelligent creature within the extent of your telepathy.
So if something has Telepathy 100ft., it can sense the Int, Type, and location of any creature within it.
My question for you knowledgeable persons is: does the identification point out particular individuals, like Scent does? In which case, could a person remember the mental signature of someone and be able to identify them later should they appear?
Or does it show up like a blip on a radar with no ID'ing signature? Meaning that they could not tell two Int 12 Humanoids apart, even if they know one is a friend named Bobby?RIP Tasha, April 1986 to November 25th, 2008. 22 years and 7 months of being the best kitty ever. You will be missed forever.
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2009-07-10, 07:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: A question about Mindsight
I don't have the book on-hand, so I can't give you a definitive answer on the wording, but as you have respresented it, it appears that you receive only a location, their Intelligence score, and type. Nothing more. If it allowed you to see any more than that (such as their "mental signature", as you call it, the feat would probably mention that.
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2009-07-10, 07:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: A question about Mindsight
http://realmshelps.dandello.net/cgi-...s.pl?Mindsight,
Vaynor is correct, by my reading.Characters
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2009-07-10, 08:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: A question about Mindsight
Originally Posted by MindsightOriginally Posted by Scent
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2009-07-10, 08:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: A question about Mindsight
Vaynor is correct. Feats do what they say they do, not what they imply that they do, unless your DM rules otherwise. Of course if they have an Int score, you could usually use your telepathy to identify them by mentally talking to them. Again, it depends on your DM (and maybe the wording of your telepathy ability).
It's actually quite a useful feat for certain builds. Telepathy is actually quite easy to get via Mindbender, Ghostwise Halfling, Hellbred, Demonbinder, soulmelds, etc. It's one of the few things that works against Darkstalker. And once you've pinpointed an enemy's location and type, it's pretty easy to blow them up or lock them down via area of effect abilities.Last edited by Person_Man; 2009-07-10 at 08:47 AM.
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2009-07-10, 04:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: A question about Mindsight
Alright, thank you. I am the DM.
We're playing in a modern setting using D&D rules, and one of the characters has gained Telepathy 100ft., and subsequently taken the feat. It's very powerful: it basically makes sneaking up on them impossible.
I saw it as truly going either way so that's why I came here.
It seems we have two for "no" and one for "maybe" :p
Anyone else want to weigh their opinion?RIP Tasha, April 1986 to November 25th, 2008. 22 years and 7 months of being the best kitty ever. You will be missed forever.
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2009-07-10, 04:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: A question about Mindsight
Its strong, but not infailable. I don't know much about d20 modern, but anything that is inherantly mindless is not subject to being detected with Mindsight. This includes Vermin, Plants, mindless Undead, Constructs, animated objects, and anyone under the influence of a mind blank or similar ability protecting them from [Mind Affecting].
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2009-07-10, 04:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: A question about Mindsight
Prerequisite: Telepathy special quality.
Benefit: A creature that has this feat can detect and pinpoint beings that are not mindless (anything with an Intelligence score of 1 or higher) within range of its telepathy. This works much like blindsense - the creature knows what square each thinking being is in, but it does not see the being, and the being still has total concealment unless the creature can see it by some other means.
The creature also perceives several observable characteristics about each being detected with mindsight, including the being's type and Intelligence score. The creature need not take any additional or special actions to gain this information; it is as obvious to mindsight as the being's race and clothing would be to eyesight.
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Re: A question about Mindsight
I for one as a DM don't allow my players to take this feat. It is not included in the feat chapter of the book, but described as a feat a certain type of monster sometimes takes (in their respective chapter).
That being said I would rule that you could use it to distinguish various intelligences. Maybe not as good as sight but something like this. Meaning you could tell people apart.Last edited by Tehnar; 2009-07-10 at 04:28 PM.
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2009-07-10, 04:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: A question about Mindsight
I think that from the text quoted in the thread mindsight is not mind-affecting and is not a divination ans so it would seem that the only defense would be to stay outside the range of the telepathy or to be mindless.