Crusader Kings 2 Thread II: Sparkly Vampire Invasion

[AgentPaper]

I think I mentioned my Character Generator tool before, but I wanted to mention it again since I've just recently started updating it again. Specifically, it now has a full user interface, allowing you to click and drag around characters in the timeline, set their stats, traits, and so on, and visually see their relationships.

Most recently, I added the feature of being able to import and export directly from the game's character files, allowing you to easily create, load, and save them in a much nicer interface instead of doing everything manually.

I'm still working on some features, but it's come a long way since the last time I plugged it and hasn't gotten a lot of attention, so give it another look if you're into the modding scene.

[Sanguine]

Interesting...I shall find that very useful in my own modding endeavors.

[Flickerdart]

Curses! It seems that you can't transfer vassalage of dukes, even to a king who owns them de jure.

[IthilanorStPete]

Curses! It seems that you can't transfer vassalage of dukes, even to a king who owns them de jure.

You should be able to do that. Check to see if the duke or king is involved in any intra-realm wars, that might be the problem.

[Flickerdart]

You should be able to do that. Check to see if the duke or king is involved in any intra-realm wars, that might be the problem.

You can't transfer vassals to a King at war? Weird.

I solved my insurgent problem by murdering every dissident, though.

[Guancyto]

I solved my insurgent problem by murdering every dissident, though.

Spoken like a true Norseman.

[IthilanorStPete]

You can't transfer vassals to a King at war? Weird.

I know you can't when the vassals are the ones at war with the king in question. Doing so when your entire country is at war is fine.

[Flickerdart]

I know you can't when the vassals are the ones at war with the king in question. Doing so when your entire country is at war is fine.

The "transfer vassalage" screen literally listed no duke-level vassals except the Warchief of Jomsvikings. I don't think the patrician was at war with every single Jarl in the realm.

[Guancyto]

Wait, did you murder every dissident by single combat or by knives in the back?

This is very important.

[pffh]

The "transfer vassalage" screen literally listed no duke-level vassals except the Warchief of Jomsvikings. I don't think the patrician was at war with every single Jarl in the realm.

I think you can't transfer the duke if the duke OR anyone in the de jure duchy is at war over any part of the de jure duchy.

[Flickerdart]

I think you can't transfer the duke if the duke OR anyone in the de jure duchy is at war over any part of the de jure duchy.

I certainly hope that there aren't that many wars in my realm.

Wait, did you murder every dissident by single combat or by knives in the back?

This is very important.

They weren't knives so much as poop explosions, no.

But they really should have included duels in Old Gods. I mean, vassals constantly ask me for permission to duel, why can't I indulge myself?

[Guancyto]

They did! They're quite rare (I think they require a captial-R Rival?), but there are holmgång events for the norse.

The only time I got the opportunity, I made the mistake of forgetting that my ruler was Craven. The prestige loss from running away from the duel was... considerable.

[Flickerdart]

They did! They're quite rare (I think they require a captial-R Rival?), but there are holmgång events for the norse.

Interesting. I've seen the "is Rival" opinion modifier a few times, but I'm never sure of how to get it, or what it does aside from the disapproval.

[Guancyto]

I think it requires being educated in the same court, and is a childhood event. There's a decision as a child ruler where you meet another kid and either decide to wreak havoc together (which gets you a friend) or blame them for your misdeeds (which makes them a rival).

That's one way to get it, anyway, if there are others I don't know them.

(I've played a fair number of kid rulers. Byzantine/Roman Emperors always seem to have lousy non BttP sons unworthy of the Despot title and die early, leaving their 1-year-olds in charge...)

[pffh]

Members of rival merchant families in republics will also duel each other fairly frequently.

[IthilanorStPete]

The "transfer vassalage" screen literally listed no duke-level vassals except the Warchief of Jomsvikings. I don't think the patrician was at war with every single Jarl in the realm.

Well, they have to be de jure vassals of the king as well.

[Flickerdart]

Well, they have to be de jure vassals of the ing as well.

Really? But the Jomsvikings are in Wolgast, and I can still give them to the King of Norway...

[pffh]

Ah wait patrician yeah you are out of luck there. Can't transfer patricians unless they are the head of the republic and the king dude asks for them. Also since the jomsvikings are a titular title they can be transferred freely.

[Flickerdart]

Ah wait patrician yeah you are out of luck there. Can't transfer patricians unless they are the head of the republic and the king dude asks for them. Also since the jomsvikings are a titular title they can be transferred freely.

No no I want to transfer dukes to a king-level patrician, because they can't revolt and I'm tired of dealing with rebel dukes.

[IthilanorStPete]

No no I want to transfer dukes to a king-level patrician, because they can't revolt and I'm tired of dealing with rebel dukes.

Oh, it's a king-level patrician. That's probably the problem; as a titular title, I don't think you can transfer non-titular vassals to them.

[Flickerdart]

Oh, it's a king-level patrician. That's probably the problem; as a titular title, I don't think you can transfer non-titular vassals to them.

Republics aren't titular, are they? I mean, the Kingdom of Norway doesn't become titular just because it's now a Most Serene Republic.

Incidentally, why are patrician titles weird up north? Venice gets Doge and Serene Doge and so forth and we're dealing with lame Lord Mayors.

[Sanguine]

Because historically Doge was an Italian title, one which is etymologically descended from a Roman title. So, aside from the Byzantines for obvious reasons, people who speak non-Romance languages wouldn't use such a title. Or at least I assume that is the reason for the divide.

[pffh]

Do you know what time it is? Dev diary time. The last one before the DLC release on monday.

[Farix]

Man you know a game is starting to mess with your morals when you see "women can now die in childbirth" and think 'about time.'

[IthilanorStPete]

Man you know a game is starting to mess with your morals when you see "women can now die in childbirth" and think 'about time.'

That was my reaction too. This game is rather odd sometimes.

[Closet_Skeleton]

Because historically Doge was an Italian title, one which is etymologically descended from a Roman title.

Using the term 'historically' and 'Italian' is problematic.

Venice was not necessarily Italy until much later.

So, aside from the Byzantines for obvious reasons, people who speak non-Romance languages wouldn't use such a title.

English isn't a Romance language. Basque uses it as well.

You can mod German republics to use Burgomaster instead, that's a bit less boring.

[Sanguine]

Using the term 'historically' and 'Italian' is problematic.

Venice was not necessarily Italy until much later.

I will concede the point that my wording was rather poor.

English isn't a Romance language. Basque uses it as well.

Huh, I thought the English used the Lord Mayor title. Forgot about the Basque completely though.

[Artanis]

English isn't a Romance language.

This is true, but English does use a hell of a lot of Latin words. Something like 2/3 of the words in English are based in Latin, it's just that they're generally the bigger, less-used words.

[Closet_Skeleton]

Huh, I thought the English used the Lord Mayor title. Forgot about the Basque completely though.

English uses duke while other Germanic languages don't, that was what I meant. Whether or not Duke and Doge are actually different in Italian is confusing. Doge doesn't even appear to be the Ligurian or the Venetian spelling, they both appear to use something closer to the latin Dux.

Lord Mayor makes sense in England since its an English title.

[pffh]

DLC time. Just started my first ironman game as the republic of Amalfi with the goal of restoring the Roman Republic.