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    Lion - WIA (Luther)
    Khan - MIA (Warp)
    Russ - MIA (Eye of Terror)
    Dorn - MIA presumed KIA (Night Lords)
    Sanguinius - KIA (Horus)
    Ferrus Manus - KIA (Fulgrim)
    Guillliman - WIA (Alpharius)
    Vulkan - MIA (???)
    Corax - MIA (Eye of Terror)

    Fulgrim - Prince
    Peturabo - Prince
    Curze - KIA (M'Shen)
    Angron - Prince
    Mortarion - Prince
    Magnus - Prince
    Horus - KIA (Emperor)
    Lorgar - Prince
    Alpharius/Omegon - One KIA (Guilliman), the other MIA. Except which is which?

    II and XI; One is 'lost' (whatever that means), the other is dead, presumably by Russ.

    Dorn; If he's MIA, then he's missing his left hand (the Chapter badge of the IFs, what a coincidence). He's presumed KIA, but, by virtue of dramas everywhere, if you can't find the body, then he must be alive.

    Trazyn the Infinite has 'a giant of a man clad in baroque Power Armour, his face contorted in a permanent scream'. Rumour has it that it's either Khan or Vulkan, leaning towards Vulkan, given revelations in Vulkan Lives, and the fact that Vulkan was looking for artefacts, and Trazyn has artefacts.
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    Lion - WIA (Luther)
    Khan - MIA (Warp)
    Russ - MIA (Eye of Terror)
    Dorn - MIA presumed KIA (Night Lords)
    Sanguinius - KIA (Horus)
    Ferrus Manus - KIA (Fulgrim)
    Guillliman - WIA (Alpharius)
    Vulkan - MIA (???)
    Corax - MIA (Eye of Terror)

    Fulgrim - Prince
    Peturabo - Prince
    Curze - KIA (M'Shen)
    Angron - Prince
    Mortarion - Prince
    Magnus - Prince
    Horus - KIA (Emperor)
    Lorgar - Prince
    Alpharius/Omegon - One KIA (Guilliman), the other MIA. Except which is which?

    II and XI; One is 'lost' (whatever that means), the other is dead, presumably by Russ.

    Dorn; If he's MIA, then he's missing his left hand (the Chapter badge of the IFs, what a coincidence). He's presumed KIA, but, by virtue of dramas everywhere, if you can't find the body, then he must be alive.

    Trazyn the Infinite has 'a giant of a man clad in baroque Power Armour, his face contorted in a permanent scream'. Rumour has it that it's either Khan or Vulkan, leaning towards Vulkan, given revelations in Vulkan Lives, and the fact that Vulkan was looking for artefacts, and Trazyn has artefacts.
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    Didnt he die, like, really dead, at the end of Unremembered Empire?.


    Also, is there any more information anywhere about the Lion's magical teleporting sentient machine? And what about that machine that could heal Marines even when in stasis? I forget which novel it was from >_<.

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    Didnt he die, like, really dead, at the end of Unremembered Empire?.
    You'd think so. But it's not going to stick. It can't stick because we know Vulkan shows up again, later. Dorn even laments the fact in the end that his surviving brothers - Corax, Vulkan and Russ - left their Chapters behind, and, more importantly, left Dorn behind.
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    Wraith units have nothing on Dreadnoughts!
    Elegance of design?
    The ability to tear the arms of a regular Dreadnought and then club it over the head with it, in the case of Lords and Knights?
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    Guillliman - WIA (Alpharius)
    Guilliman was taken out by Fulgrim, wasn't he ?
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    yes, it was the slanash guy who took Gulliman down.
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    Khan - MIA (Warp)
    Shouldn't that be (Webway) since he was heading to Commoragh to take on the Dark Eldar?
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    Alpharius is, from all given sources, dead.

    His brother Omegron, however, is alive and well.... Somewhere. Although given the nature of the Alpha Legion, it may not matter all that much...
    I haven't actually read the book, but according to lexicanum, "It should be noted, however, that Alpharius's death is still considered suspect even by the Ultramarines, and he may still be at large."

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    Well, the thing is though space marines are also incredibly agile and have thousands of years of experience, and it seems like bolters are as effective/more effective than shuriken weapons. In Brothers of the Snake, a large Dark Eldar incursion gets routed by one marine. In Know No Fear, they mention a single marine standing against twelve Eldar- they admit it's an impressive fight, but still, 12v1...
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    yes, it was the slanash guy who took Gulliman down.
    Ha two Primarch kills ! And they say Slaanesh worshipers are just degenerates (of course they are that as well)
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    Guillliman - WIA (Alpharius)

    Alpharius/Omegon - One KIA (Guilliman), the other MIA. Except which is which?
    I have heard it theorised that instead Alpharius was wounded by Guilliman, who was then killed by Omegon. Alpharius was then disguised as Guilliman, and shipped back to the Ultramarines to super-infiltrate. Unfortunately the Ultras were unable to heal him, so he ended up in the stasis field. No idea how plausible this is though, I just like the idea that the Ultras are worshipping the body of their mortal foe. Does any book detail the battle? Were there any witnesses?
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    I have heard it theorised that instead Alpharius was wounded by Guilliman, who was then killed by Omegon. Alpharius was then disguised as Guilliman, and shipped back to the Ultramarines to super-infiltrate. Unfortunately the Ultras were unable to heal him, so he ended up in the stasis field. No idea how plausible this is though, I just like the idea that the Ultras are worshipping the body of their mortal foe. Does any book detail the battle? Were there any witnesses?
    But as Alpharius (and Omegon) are considerably smaller than their brother Primarchs that is going to have to be one hell of a disguise
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    But as Alpharius (and Omegon) are considerably smaller than their brother Primarchs that is going to have to be one hell of a disguise
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    I have heard it theorised that instead Alpharius was wounded by Guilliman, who was then killed by Omegon. Alpharius was then disguised as Guilliman, and shipped back to the Ultramarines to super-infiltrate. Unfortunately the Ultras were unable to heal him, so he ended up in the stasis field. No idea how plausible this is though, I just like the idea that the Ultras are worshipping the body of their mortal foe. Does any book detail the battle? Were there any witnesses?
    And it doesnt hold water because there were apperently quite a few witnesses to Fulgrim smacking Guilliman down.
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    Guilliman was taken out by Fulgrim, wasn't he ?
    Yeah.

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    Shouldn't that be (Webway) since he was heading to Commoragh to take on the Dark Eldar?
    It should be, but it isn't. Khan gets sucked into the Warp fighting Dark Eldar. Much to the nerdrage of everyone.
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    But which are people's favourite Primarch's ?
    While I've always liked Russ the more I read about Lorgar (or at least the more I read written by ADB) the more I like him.
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    Actualy.. i have almost always disliked most of the primachs.. Russ especially..
    The one exception to this being Sanguinius, him i rather liked.
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    But which are people's favourite Primarchs?
    I like Dorn. He's a morally conflicted 'Paladin'. When he tells Sigismund in Crimson Fist, "You're not my son anymore." That whole passage. Brutal. Unfortunately, he doesn't really do a whole lot until after the Heresy, so there's not too much about him, in regards to the rest of the Primarchs.

    I like Curze, and his steady degradation into becoming Night Haunter. In Unremembered Empire, he's finally lost it, and that sucks. But that's also the point.

    Vulkan, likewise in Unremembered Empire has a massive character derailment for no reason. Supposedly he has PTSD from the events in Vulkan Lives, but, nothing in VL indicates that Vulkan couldn't handle it. So...WTF?

    I hated Lorgar at first - and, I believe that you're supposed to - but, now I really like him. Betrayer is awesome.
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    Alpharius is pretty cool. Or maybe Omegon. I'm not sure.

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    I think it was already halfway set in due to his constant talking to the ghost of Ferrus, and then droping through the atmosphere probably sealed the deal. I just figured Vulkan Lives was from the perspective of his inner thoughts, and he was externally just a raging rabid beast.

    As for favorite Primarchs, Perturabo was written rather nicely in Angel Exterminatus. Fleshed him out quite well.

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    I love Alphamegon. One soul, two bodies. The youngest of the bunch with a whole lot to prove. Not afraid to try unconventional things to see if they work. A scholar and comsumately open-minded (he met xenos and then didn't immediately kill all of them) and unlike most of his brothers seems a decent human being.

    My personal theory is that Gulliman killed a decoy. Layers in layers, masks behind masks. Smoke, mirrors and light jazz. It would have been the Alpha's ultimate victory over the Ultra's, fooling their primarch.
    Alpharius then retired to a quiet world and spent the last ten-thousand years punching John Grammaticus in the face.

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    But which are people's favourite Primarch's ?
    I like Magnus the Red. Reading A Thousand Sons really surprised and entertained me in that there were Primarchs who joined the Traitors but NOT Chaos itself, it gave the Heresy a whole new dimension and built solid foundations for the later Imperium's xenophonic, unforgiving nature (Alpharius/Omegron also, to a lesser extent).
    That he's actually quite a good guy - just a very proud one - makes a strangely appealing story where you find yourself supporting the 'villain' against the murderous, closed-minded psychopath, Russ.

    Outside of the Heresy novels, I always like Ferrus Mannus - it's a shame that he gets trashed in under half a book and is barely mentioned again, I'd like to know more.
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    As an unashamed Thousand Sons fanboy, Magnus is going to top my list, despite the hatchet job done on him (and his entire legion) in Thousand Sons (the book).

    Lorgar is a pretty interesting character and is getting better the more is written about him, but also seems to be becoming a bit Mary Sue.

    I would love to hear more about Curze detailing his formative years on Nostromo. Unremembered empire was nice and all, but would like more backstory rather than trying to tie the entire universe together.

    Am currently re-reading false gods again, and it made me realise that there's not much about Horus: The Early Years.

    I'm one of the few who actually likes the Ultras, so more about papa smurf was welcome, though again, it shows up distinct difference in writing when one primarch is all "Teh oh noes, a couple of dudes with bolters!" and another one caber tosses a titan.

    I want my Primarchs to be as to astartes as astartes are to you and me, making the impossible possible and kicking reason to the curb and just generally being awesome. Some humanising is great, it gives them a different side, a point of contrast to their all conquering, all awesome all the time side, but some of the novels have gone too far for my tastes.

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    I'm one of the few who actually likes the Ultras, so more about papa smurf was welcome, though again, it shows up distinct difference in writing when one primarch is all "Teh oh noes, a couple of dudes with bolters!" and another one caber tosses a titan.

    I want my Primarchs to be as to astartes as astartes are to you and me, making the impossible possible and kicking reason to the curb and just generally being awesome. Some humanising is great, it gives them a different side, a point of contrast to their all conquering, all awesome all the time side, but some of the novels have gone too far for my tastes.
    Sounds like you wouldn't enjoy Descent of Angels. (I know I didn't...)

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    Lorgar is a pretty interesting character and is getting better the more is written about him, but also seems to be becoming a bit Mary Sue
    I know your complaint. But, that's the point. Both from a writing standpoint and from a story standpoint. Lorgar goes from whiny kid-brother, to Master Manipulator. Him becoming a Mary Sue is part of his story. Second, he is the arch-villain of the story - even if Horus does get most of the credit. To make him a credible threat, he actually does need to be kind of unbeatable.

    Reality itself conspires to keep Lorgar alive. From Deus ex Konrad to Angron 'Altas-ing' a Titan foot. Butcher's Nails says Lorgar is 'outside of Fate' and can pretty much do whatever he wants.

    I would love to hear more about Curze detailing his formative years on Nostromo. Unremembered empire was nice and all, but would like more backstory rather than trying to tie the entire universe together.
    Eh. It's not that important. Take Corax's backstory from Deliverance Lost, and add more murder.
    Curze's backstory comes out in a few places. But never really as a whole. Dark King has a few bits.
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    Eh. It's not that important. Take Corax's backstory from Deliverance Lost, and add more murder.
    Curze's backstory comes out in a few places. But never really as a whole. Dark King has a few bits.
    That's kinda what I mean, be nice for it to be wrapped up a bit more, differentiate him a little (but not too much, gotta keep some of the evil-opposite-there-but-for-the-grace-of-the-Emperor-go-I-theme going) from the ravenlord.


    Sounds like you wouldn't enjoy Descent of Angels. (I know I didn't...)
    Yep, for one of the alledged mightiest beings in the universe, the lion is sure off to a slow start with that one.

    Off to pick up Scars today, hopefully that's be decent as I have literally no idea about the backstory of the scars other than they're mongols on bikes... in SPACE! Unless it's by ADB, I've got a feeling I'm going to be dissapointed though.

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    differentiate him a little (but not too much, gotta keep some of the evil-opposite-there-but-for-the-grace-of-the-Emperor-go-I-theme going) from the ravenlord.
    Uhh...Konrad is the 'evil opposite' of Dorn. Not Corax.
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    So does Corax have an evil opposite ?
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    So does Corax have an evil opposite ?
    Alpharius. Or perhaps Alpharius. Otherwise, Alpharius, maybe.
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    I want my Primarchs to be as to astartes as astartes are to you and me, making the impossible possible and kicking reason to the curb and just generally being awesome. Some humanising is great, it gives them a different side, a point of contrast to their all conquering, all awesome all the time side, but some of the novels have gone too far for my tastes.
    And funny enough thats one of the main reasons for why i despise most primachs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheesegear View Post
    Uhh...Konrad is the 'evil opposite' of Dorn. Not Corax.
    I think there was a passage in one of Corax's books that tried to play up the "Kurze = Corax if he goes evil", but I'm not 100% sure.

    Quote Originally Posted by Drasius View Post

    I would love to hear more about Curze detailing his formative years on Nostromo. Unremembered empire was nice and all, but would like more backstory rather than trying to tie the entire universe together.
    In that case, see if you can track down a copy of Shadows of Treachery and read The Prince of Crows that lies within. It's 90% about the Night Lords 1st Captain, Jago Sevatarion, but it also contains a passage detailing how Kurze went about purging Nostramo, then becoming its ruler (and, most importantly, how Nostramo turned out under Kurze's rule and Kurze's own reaction to it. Pro tip: it sheds a great deal of light on his character).

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