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    Welcome to the latest incarnation of the Class and Level Geekery thread! Here, we are discussing what the possible stats are for each of the six OOTS members. Below is an estimate of the characters' stats; this was first kept by Runolfr, Wrecan, and Chrismith. I will update this post as the discussion continues and as subsequent strips reveal more information about OOTS; RMS Oceanic will update the post with the other characters.

    The aim of this thread is that we give D&D statistics for the characters in the comic based on the events and statements made in the comic, plus statements by The Giant in the forum and his books. For this purpose, we assume that the comic strictly follows the 3.5E D&D rules. We are aware that The Giant has stated that he doesn't always follow the rules, because his goal is to write a story and not to write session reports from a D&D campaign. Nevertheless, in this thread we assume the rules are being followed anyway, and see what stats, feats, and skills could explain what happens. Essentially, that means we're taking the rules side of the comic more seriously than its author does; if you like, you can assume a little footnote on every factoid of this thread that says "* or The Giant used a houserule". Why? Well, because it's Geekery. If Star Trek fans can do it, then so can we

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    Frequently Asked Questions

    Q: Which source books are used in the comic?
    • Player's Handbook 1 and Dungeon Master's Guide 1
    • Book of Vile Darkness (certain monsters; Boost Spell Resistance feat)
    • Complete Adventurer (ninjas)
    • Complete Arcane (warlocks; Tsukiko's and Zz'dtri's spells)
    • Complete Warrior (hexblade)
    • Dungeonscape (Thog; the acid-breathing shark; note that The Giant co-wrote this book)
    • Expanded Psionics Handbook (blue; mindblade)
    • Fiend Folio (certain monsters)
    • Magic of Incarnum (mentioned by Redcloak's lackey)
    • Monster Manual (mentioned by Celia and Vaarsuvius)
    • Monster Manual 2 (certain monsters)
    • Oriental Adventures (other samurai class, and mentioned by Xykon)
    • Spell Compendium (numerous spells that aren't from the PHB1)
    • uncertain: Epic Level Handbook (a feat and spell from this book are mentioned, but most epic characters or spells in the comic don't follow the rules from this book)


    Q: In which comic do the characters demonstrate having leveled?
    Level
    9 12 12 12 12 12 12
    10 124 125 124 124 124 124
    11 251 ??? 201 ??? ??? 186
    12 ???, 665 249 ??? ??? 477 ???
    13 485, 862 ??? 556 393 511 397
    14 886 ??? 859 647 ??? 627
    15 936 860 - 860 615 716
    16 - 936 - 936 936 935

    Q: Which characters are included in this thread?
    (1) All named members of the Order, Team Evil, the Linear Guild, the Order of the Scribble, and the Vector Legion.
    (2) Any frequently occurring character, as noted in the Character Appearances thread. Note that this includes Samantha: it was easier to be a common character back when the comic was shorter. We don't unlist characters just because they've died.
    (3) Family members of the main characters, as long as we have something to write about them.
    This means that Daigo and Ian Starshine would be next in line, but we don't have a lot of material on either character.

    Q: Which material is covered by this thread?
    All comics on the web and in print (including SSDT, Gygax magazine, and the Kickstarter bonus stories), as well as anything written about the comic by The Giant. However, not included are any one-panel joke comics, such as used for incentives, t-shirts, or the fundraiser.
    Note that even though the characters have stated they aren't sure whether this is the same continuity, certain items and abilities have been shown to carry over. We're listing all of it here for the sake of convenience, but any material from (e.g.) SSDT is clearly marked as such so that people can distinguish it from the main online comics.

    Q: I've heard there was a fight over some topic years ago, and now we're not allowed to discuss it any more. Is that the case?
    No; this thread does not have a banned topic list (of course, the forum as a whole has one; please see the board rules for details).

    Q: Is a character's statement about another character considered evidence?
    Yes. We assume that when a character says something about another character's (or his own) ability scores, build, feats, and so forth, they are speaking the truth, except where this contradicts with other evidence or is clearly not possible within the rules.

    Q: If a character makes a special attack like grappling, and his victim does not make an attack of opportunity, can that be evidence of a feat like Improved Grapple?
    Yes, assuming the victim is armed, and otherwise capable of making AOOs. It is clear that the rules for attacks of opportunity are used in the comic, and there is no reason to assume that grappling/tripping/sundering is an exception.

    Q: If somebody doesn't say the name of a spell while casting it, does that mean he has the Silent Spell feat?
    Not necessarily. We know that Vaarsuvius doesn't have that feat, and yet V still occasionally casts spells while talking about something else.

    Q: What does "Core" mean?
    The three "Core" books in 3E D&D are the Player's Handbook 1 (PHB), Dungeon Master's Guide 1 (DMG), and Monster Manual 1 (MM). This is an official term defined by WOTC, who put the word "Core" in big letters on the cover of these three books. No other books are Core, and there is no such thing as "partially Core", "almost Core", or "semi-Core" - every book is either Core or non-Core. Note that both the OOTS comic and this thread contain numerous non-Core elements.

    Q: Does The Giant use house rules?
    Probably. But for the purpose of this thread, we assume that the comic doesn't, except where The Giant has explicitly said so, or where some event is clearly not possible by the rules. That is, we try to explain events in the comic within the rules as much as possible, and that means not leaving factoids out of this thread just because The Giant might not have followed the rules there.

    Q: A character undertook this heinous/awesome/dutiful/impulsive/meh action. Does that mean they are now evil/good/lawful/chaotic/neutral?
    No. As seen in a thousand forum threads, people have different ideas about alignment, and what defines and changes them. The alignments posted here are taken from the character's own mouth, someone else in a position to know their alignment, or their use of a spell/feat/whatever which has an alignment restriction. Kindly refrain from speculating from how a character's action changes their alignment, since it's not really something you can reason out with facts and numbers.

    Q: A character undertook this brilliant/moronic/insightful/ignorant/inspiring/repulsive action. Does that mean they now have a high/low intelligence/wisdom/charisma score?
    No. Similar to the previous question, people have different ideas about what the mental ability scores represent and how much they influence a character's personality. The ability scores posted here are taken from the character's own mouth, someone else in a position to know their scores, or their use of a spell/feat/whatever which requires a minimum ability score. Kindly refrain from speculating from how a character's personality changes their ability scores, since it's not really something you can reason out with facts and numbers either.

    Q: How does Xykon cast Maximized Energy Drain in comic 652?
    We don't know for sure. The most popular theories involve the feat Improved Spell Capacity, the feat Sudden Maximize, or a Rod of Metamagic. Each theory has its pros and cons.

    Q: What magic item makes Xykon immune to fire damage in comic 653?
    We don't know for sure; there are multiple items within RAW that make their user immune to fire, available from level 14. Note that Xykon doesn't specify whether it's an amulet, ring, belt, or other kind of item.
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    Roy Greenhilt
    Lawful Good, Human male Fighter 15 (forum).
    Str 24+ (Unmodified strength 20+) *)
    Dex 13+ (required for Improved Grapple)
    Int 14-17 (“very good"*, but V's Int is "higher"*)
    Wis 14+ (“very good"*)
    Cha 12+ (“decent*), modifier less than Elan's.
    Age: 29.
    Feats (13): Cleave, Great Cleave, Power Attack, Horace Greenhilt's Mage Slayer, Improved Grapple, Improved Sunder, Improved Unarmed Strike (prerequisite for Improved Grapple), Weapon Focus (greatsword), Weapon Specialization (greatsword), Endurance (sleeps in armor without getting fatigued).
    Skills (60+): Intimidate, Ride 1, Knowledge (Arcana), Knowledge (Architecture and Engineering) 2+, Knowledge (Geography), Profession (Goatherd), Spellcraft (OOPC), Bluff 0, Sense Motive 0 (OOPC), Spellcraft.
    Items: Magical armor, Bag of Tricks, club, newspaper, heirloom +5 Starmetal Greatsword, formal suit, shillelagh oil, potion of delay poison, boots, bedroll, list of Xykon's spells, feats and magic items, Belt of Giant Strength, book, sextant.
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    Belkar Bitterleaf aka Ali S. Fakenamington (KS:US), aka the Belkster, aka Death's Li'l Helper
    Chaotic Evil, Halfling male Ranger 11+ / Barbarian (forum), total level 16 (forum).
    Str 14-17 (jump exceeds movement, forum, and carrying capacity in SSDT).
    Dex 13+ (prerequisite for Spring Attack).
    Int <10 (OOPC).
    Wis <10 (ability score penalty).
    Cha <10 (without any charisma).
    Age: 28+ (ranger for three years, over a year ago).
    Feats (11): Endurance, Greater Two-Weapon Fighting, Improved Two-Weapon Fighting, Track, Two-Weapon Fighting (all ranger bonus feats); Bounding Attack, Craft Disturbing Mental Image, Dodge (prerequisite for Spring Attack), Mobility (prerequisite for Spring Attack), Spring Attack, Two-Weapon Pounce; no feats related to special attacks (SSDT).
    Skills (89): Balance 5+, Climb, Craft: Trapmaking, Handle Animal 0 (NCPB), Hide, Jump, Move Silently 2+, Profession: gourmet chef 4, Sense Motive 0, Speak language: halfling (racial), Spellcraft, Spot 0, Survival 0, Use Magic Device (SSDT).
    Abilities: Halfling racial abilities, ranger and barbarian class abilities, animal companion: Mr. Scruffy, favored enemy: human (forum) and undead, scent.
    Items: Unholy symbol, red chalk, cloak, Ring of Jumping +20, stilts, Sapphire guard disguise, quill, string, chef hat, Mama Bitterleaf's secret ingredient, clothespin, bedroll, 3 small magical daggers (+4 and +2, forum), mimic (SSDT), wand of dispel clothing (SSDT), book: Dune, bucket and spade, bag of holding full of money, +5 Dagger of Collision, +3 Vest of Resistance, Clasp of Protection from Evil. Either has dex 15+ or wears light or no armor (to use two-weapon pounce).

    Mr. Scruffy
    True Neutral (forum), Cat male, animal companion.
    Str 6 (animal companion).
    Dex 18 (animal companion).
    Con 10 (racial).
    Int 2 (racial).
    Wis 12 (racial).
    Cha 7 (racial).
    Age: 7 (WXP).
    Feats: Stealthy, Weapon Finesse (racial bonus feats).
    Skills: Balance +10, Climb +6, Hide +16, Jump +10, Listen +3, Move Silently +8, Spot +3 (all racial skills).
    Abilities: Low-light vision, scent (both racial abilities); natural armor +4, link, share spells, evasion, devotion (all animal companion abilities); 3 tricks, including attack and come.
    Items: String.

    Durkon Allotrope Thundershield, pseudonym
    Lawful Evil, Dwarf vampire male Cleric of Hel 14 (based on spells cast in a day).
    Str 20-25 (can carry Vaarsuvius, can't carry Roy; +6 as vampire).
    Dex <14 (dex penalty, SSDT; +4 as vampire).
    Con n/a (undead).
    Int ~12 (no evidence; +2 as vampire).
    Wis 19-25 (required for 7th-level spells, and to lose his best 7th-level spell to Enervation; +2 as vampire).
    Cha <14 (low modifier, see also DCF; +4 as vampire).
    Age: 55+.
    Feats (5): Extend Spell, Extra Turning; Alertness, Combat Reflexes, Dodge, Improved Initiative, and Lightning Reflexes (all vampire bonus feats).
    Skills (31+): Knowledge: Religion not maxed, Listen 0 (OOPC), Ride 0, Speak language: dwarf (racial) and giant (SSDT), Spellcraft, Spot 0.
    Abilities: Dwarf racial abilities, vampire abilities.
    Items: Candles, bedroll, full plate armor, deck of cards, holy symbol, Amulet of Natural Armor, heirloom shield and warhammer, parcheesi board, spyglass, religious vestments, scroll of Sending, belt pouch, Bleedingham papers, flask of liquor, 10,000+ gp of diamond dust, Staff of Obscure Spells, healing potions.
    Spells: Standard cleric list, plus domain spells as listed above, plus Bless Beer (WXP), Call Lightning (DCF), Cat's Grace, Control Winds, Cure Itchy Wounds, Heat Blisters of Eternal Pain, Heathen Smiting, Mass Death Ward with backdoor, Mass Resist Energy, and Tumor.
    Before becoming a vampire, Durkon was Lawful Good, had Con ~12 (racial), the ability Turn Undead, the Good domain (required to cast Holy Smite), and the spells Thor's Lightning and Might of Thor (which is assumed to be the standard cleric spell Righteous Might).

    Elan
    Chaotic Good, Human male Bard 14+ (required to retrain to cure critical wounds) / Dashing Swordsman 1+, total level 16 (forum).
    Str <20 (can't carry Roy, and the same as Nale, forum).
    Dex 13-17 (required for Dodge, and to get a four on Move Silently).
    Con same as Nale.
    Int 4-10 (too low to cast cantrips, but higher than Thog.
    Wis <10 (not even a smidgen).
    Cha 22+ (required for 5th level spells at level 13, +2 from belt).
    Age: 22+ (WXP).
    Feats (6): Dodge, Mobility (both prerequisites for Spring Attack), Spring Attack, Still Spell.
    Skills (85+): Diplomacy, Hide, Listen (higher than Sir Francois, OOPC), Move Silently <3, Perform: sing 12+ (required for Inspire Greatness), Perform: string instruments 15+ (required for Song of Freedom), Perform: kazoo, Ride 2+, Spot 0, Spellcraft 2+, Tumble.
    Abilities: Bard class abilities, charismatic strike, dramatic instincts, glass damage immunity.
    Items:Banjo, ceremonial meat costume (OOPC), dice, Boots of Elvenkind, kazoo, jam, lantern, pingpong bat, roller skate, squirrel, yoyo, dashing outfit, toothbrush, lute, Belt of Charisma +2, treasure chest, drawing, The Stick the Order was named after, letter, Chaos Sabre, evil sword (SSDT), castanets and sombrero (SSDT), no armor. Elan still has his old equipment (forum).
    Spells: Animate Rope, Cure Critical Wounds, Disguise Self, Greater Dispel Magic, Lesser Confusion, Major Image, Mass Cure Light Wounds, Mending, Neutralize Poison, Prestidigitation, Silent Image, Summon Plot Exposition, not Identify, or Break Enchantment.

    Haley Starshine aka Mistress Nightingale, aka The Red Blur (OOPC), aka Dark Mistress Shadowgale
    Chaotic Good, Human female Rogue 16 (forum).
    Str 13-19 (high enough to drag the cart, but can't carry Roy).
    Dex 20-21 (modifier of +5, forum).
    Con 9+ (higher than Vaarsuvius).
    Int 12+ (received bonus languages).
    Cha 12-19 (with any charisma; and with maxed out Bluff, for Hide to be her best skill, her cha mod has to be less than her dex mod).
    Age: About 25 (forum; was 24 here, and that was over a year ago).
    Feats (9+): Dodge (SSDT), Improved Precise Shot, Manyshot, Martial Weapon Proficiency (longbow), Point Blank Shot, Precise Shot (prerequisite for IPS), Ranged Pin, Ranged Sunder, Rapid Shot.
    Skills (180+): Appraise, Bluff 18+ (maxed out), Disable Device, Forgery (OOPC), Hide 18+ (best skill), Knowledge: Arcana, Knowledge: Religion low (forum), Open Lock 15, Ride 0, Search not maxed, Sense Motive 2+, Spellcraft 9+, Spot 0, Tumble, Use Magic Device 7+, Use Rope 8.
    Abilities: Rogue class abilities; two special rogue abilities, both spent on a feat.
    Items: Two gemstones, 8 Bags of Holding, towel, hair dryer, rope, +5 Air Freshener of Pineness, a lot of clothes, bedroll, +5 Longbow of Icy Burst, Crystal's +4 blade, magic leather armor, dyed Boots of Speed (forum), at least 200,000 gp in cash, trowel, metal detector, Bleedingham papers, 4+ quivers of green arrows including silver and cold iron, three potions (since Belkar took one), thief's tools, wands, bag of copper pieces (SSDT).

    Vaarsuvius
    True Neutral (forum), Elf ambiguously gendered Wizard: Evoker (DCF) 16 (forum).
    Str 5-9 (can carry Yukyuk, and strength penalty).
    Dex <12 (no real attack bonus on rays, forum).
    Con 8-12 (required to have enough HP to survive the fight against Xykon; also, lacks a decent con, forum; and lower than Haley).
    Int 24 (forum).
    Wis 10-11 (moderate, forum).
    Cha 6-9 (can return as a ghost, and without any charisma).
    Age: 131+ (WXP).
    Feats (11+): Alertness, Empower Spell, Extend Spell (SSDT), Maximize Spell (SSDT), Quicken Spell, Scribe Scroll (wizard bonus feat), not Silent Spell (forum), not Still Spell.
    Skills (108+): Appraise +3 (from familiar), Concentrate, Craft: Alchemy, Decipher Script (SSDT), Knowledge: Arcana, Knowledge: Religion not high (forum), Ride 0, Spot 0, Search 0, Speak Language: elf (racial), raven, not draconic (SSDT), Spellcraft, , Use Magic Device 2+.
    Abilities: Elf racial abilities, familiar: Blackwing, share spells with familiar, scry on familiar, barred schools: Conjuration and Necromancy (forum; also by elimination).
    Items: Headband of Intellect +4 (required to cast four 6th-level spells with a base int of 18 at level 11), doily, Ring of Wizardry III or IV, two small gemstones, many scrolls and spellbooks, Finding Plot Holes for Dummies, twelve more books, jar of diamond dust, Bleedingham papers, defensive potions, Tarquin's whip, two potions (SSDT), apricot-scented face gel (SSDT), chalice (SSDT).
    Spells: Arcane Eye, Banishment, Bull's Strength, Bugsby's Cat-Retrieving Hand, Bugsby's Clenched Fist, Bugsby's Expressive Single Digit, Bugsby's Flicking Finger, Bugsby's Grasping Hand, Chain Lightning, Charm Monster, Cone of Cold, Crushing Despair, Detect Magic, Dimensional Anchor, Dimensional Lock, Disintegrate, Dispel Magic, Distant Inferno (OOPC), Dominate Person, Evan's Spiked Tentacles of Forced Intrusion, Expeditious Retreat, Explosive Runes, Feather Fall, Fireball, Fire Trap, Flamefinger (OOPC), Forcecage, Fly, Greater Dispel Magic, Greater Invisibility (SSDT), Gust of Wind, Haste, Heroism, Hold Monster (SSDT), Hold Person, Hold Portal, Identify, Invisibility, discount Invisibility Sphere, Lightning Bolt, Magic Missile, Mass Bear's Endurance. Mass Bull's Strength, Mass Enlarge Person, Overland Flight usable on others, Owl's Wisdom, Passwall, Polymorph, Power Word Blind, Power Word Stun, Prestidigitation, Prismatic Spray, Protection from Arrows, Ray of Frost, Resilient Sphere, Scorching Ray, See Invisibility, Sending, Silent Image, Sleep, Stinking Cloud (DCF), Stoneskin, Stone to Flesh, Suggestion, Summon Plot Hole (SWMU), True Seeing, Vaarsuvius' Enhanced Scrying, Vaarsuvius' Greater Animal Messenger, Vampiric Touch, Veil, Wall of Fire, Wall of Force, unspecified polymorph spell, at least one sonic spell.

    Blackwing (Common name)
    Raven male, familiar.
    Str 1 (racial).
    Dex 15 (racial).
    Con 10 (racial).
    Int 13 (familiar).
    Wis 14 (racial).
    Cha 6 (racial).
    Feats: Alertness, Weapon Finesse (racial bonus feats).
    Skills: Listen +5, Spot +7 (racial skills), can use Vaarsuvius's skill ranks (familiar).
    Abilities: Flight, low-light vision (both racial abilities); natural armor +8, improved evasion, empathic link, deliver touch spells, speak with birds, spell resistance 18 (all familiar abilities).
    Items: Bauble, sombrero, fake beard and mustache, wand, bracelet with Orange Prism Ioun Stone.
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    Xykon, pseudonym (SOD)
    Chaotic (forum) Evil, Human male lich, Sorcerer 21+
    Con n/a (undead).
    Int ~15 (no evidence, age and lichdom).
    Wis ~15 (no evidence, age and lichdom).
    Cha 28+ (casts seven 9th-level spells in one combat, SOD).
    Age: 111+ (WXP).
    Feats (13+): Maximize Spell, Still Spell, Epic Spellcasting, at least one craft feat.
    Skills (46+): Bluff, Concentration (required to cast while grappled), Spellcraft 24+, Knowledge: Arcana 24+ (required for Epic Spellcasting), Reverse Psychology 2+, Speak Language: Draconic (NCPB); +8 racial bonus on Hide, Listen, Move Silently, Search, Sense Motive, and Spot checks.
    Abilities: Fear aura, paralyzing touch, turn resistance, damage reduction (SOD), immunity to cold, electricity, polymorph, and mind-affecting attacks (all lich abilities).
    Items: Soul gem (SOD), Serini's diary, Widescreen crystal ball, Teevo, crown that radiates evil, Dorukan's headband, unspecified item that gives fire immunity, Ring of Protection that gives deflection bonus.
    Spells: Animate Dead, Animate Dead Animal (SOD), Cloister, Cloudkill, Contingency, Energy Drain, Epic Mage Armor, Finger of Death, Ghostform, Greater Invisibility, Greater Teleport, Invisibility (SOD), Lightning Bolt, Magic Missile, Mass Hold Person, Meteor Swarm, Otiluke's Resilient Sphere, Overland Flight, Ray of Frost, Shatter, Soul Bind (SOD), Stoneskin, Superb Dispelling, Symbol of Insanity, Symbol of Pain, Teleport, Xykon's Moderately Escapable Forcecage, unspecified summoning spell, unspecified fire spell, unspecified spell that enables travel to the Astral Plane.

    Redcloak, pseudonym (SOD)
    Lawful (required for Law domain) Evil (SOD), Goblin male, Cleric (SOD) 17 (can cast 9th spells).
    Str ~8 (no evidence, racial).
    Dex ~12 (no evidence, racial).
    Wis 20+ (based on saving throw difficulty class).
    Cha 12+ (required to use Rebuke Undead four times per day).
    Age: 55+ (WXP), does not age physically (SOD).
    Feats (5+): Craft Wondrous Item (Xykon's phylactery in SOD), Extend Spell.
    Skills (36+): Diplomacy (SOD), Knowledge: Chemistry, Speak Language (Goblin) Does not speak Draconic (NCPB).
    Abilities: Goblin racial abilities, Rebuke Undead, Command Undead, Destruction domain (required to cast Disintegrate) and Law domain (required to cast Hold Monster, SOD).
    Items: The Crimson Mantle, backup unholy symbol, Book of Vile Darkness, Fiend Folio, Monster Manual II, eye patch, spyglass, Xykon's Phylactery, Arcane half of the Snarl Ritual, Ring of protection from level drain
    Spells: standard cleric list, plus domain spells as listed above, plus Unseal, Greater Obscure Object, Superior Resistance, Hardening

    Tsukiko (deceased)
    Neutral Evil, Human female, Wizard: Necromancer (forum) 3+ / Cleric 3+ (required for Mystic Theurge) / Mystic Theurge 6+, and two more levels of either Wizard or Mystic Theurge (required to cast 6th-level wizard spells).
    Int 16+ (required to cast Create Undead as a wizard).
    Wis 15+ (required to cast Flame Strike as a cleric).
    Feats (6+): Scribe Scroll (wizard bonus feat), Quicken Spell.
    Skills (42+): Knowledge: Arcana 6+, Knowledge: Religion 6+ (required for Mystic Theurge).
    Abilities: Rebuke Undead, two unknown domains, barred school (forum): Abjuration (by elimination).
    Items: Spellbook (wizard feature), unholy symbol (required to cast Flame Strike), Xykon plushie, Xykon portrait, various books and scrolls, quill.
    Spells: standard cleric list, plus wizard spells Cold Orb, Create Undead, Dominate Person, Electric Orb, Fire Orb, Fireball, Fly, Invisibility, Lesser Acid Orb, Lightning Bolt, Mind Fog, Shout, Teleport, Tsukiko's Amazing Wight-Making Spell (forum).

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    The Linear Guild

    Nale (Deceased)
    Lawful Evil, Human male, Fighter / Rogue 2+ (required for Evasion) / Sorcerer 8+ (required to cast Dimension Door); total level 15 (Hit by Holy Word).
    Str <19 (same as Elan, forum).
    Dex 13-17 (same as Elan).
    Con ?? (same as Elan).
    Int 13+ (For Combat Expertise).
    Cha 15+ (required to cast Sending).
    Age: 22+ (same as Elan).
    Skills: Bluff.
    Feats: Combat Expertise, Improved Disarm.
    Abilities: Rogue class abilities.
    Items: Longsword, Linear Guild Business Cards, wand of Enervation, Elixirs of Negative Energy protection.
    Spells: Charm Person, Dimension Door, Expeditious Retreat, Invisibility, Prestidigitation, Suggestion.

    Sabine
    Evil, Succubus female, Racial hit dice 6 / Level adjustment 6 / Rogue (NCPB) 3+ (at least as high as her personal rival Haley).
    Dex ~13 (no evidence, racial).
    Con ~13 (no evidence, racial).
    Int 9+ (higher than Thog, lower than Nale, forum).
    Wis ~14 (no evidence, racial).
    Cha ~26 (no evidence, racial).
    Age: 2000+ (NCPB).
    Abilities: Flight, change shape, energy drain, charm monster, detect good, detect thoughts, ethereal jaunt, suggestion, greater teleport: self plus 50 pounds of objects, summon demon, damage reduction 10 / cold iron or good, darkvision, electricity and poison immunity, acid cold and fire resistance, spell resistance 18, telepathy, tongues; plane shift 1/day (all racial abilities), rogue class abilities, doesn't grow tired.
    Items: Cellphone

    Thog
    Non-lawful (required for rage) Evil, Half-Orc male, Fighter 2 / Barbarian 9+ (required to have 3 attacks a round).
    Str 14+ (his highest ability score).
    Int <8 (racial, dump stat).
    Wis <10 (abysmal will save).
    Cha ~8 (no evidence, racial).
    Age: 17+ (WXP).
    Feats (3+): Power Attack.
    Skills (6+): Jump.
    Abilities: Dungeoncrasher alternative class feature (forum), half-orc racial abilities, barbarian class abilities.

    Zz'dtri (Deceased)
    Neutral Evil Drow male, Wizard: Transmuter (DCF) 15 (deafened by Holy Word).
    Dex ~12 (no evidence, racial).
    Con ~8 (no evidence, racial).
    Int 17+ (required to cast Plane Shift).
    Cha ~12 (no evidence, racial).
    Feats (9+): Lightning Reflexes, Scribe Scroll (wizard bonus feat), Silent Spell (forum), Boost Spell Resistance, unspecified feat that increases Spell Resistance, Empower Spell.
    Skills: Speak Language: Drow Sign Language
    Abilities: Spell Resistance 28+ (racial, at least +4 from feats and an item); drow racial abilities; barred schools: Enchantment, Necromancy (by elimination).
    Items: Spellbook (wizard feature), unspecified item that boosts Spell Resistance.
    Spells: Baleful Polymorph, Break Enchantment, Dimension Door, Disguise Self, Flesh to Stone, Fly (3.0 version), Greater Dispel Magic, Gust of Wind, Locate Object, Magic Circle Against Evil, Phantasmal Killer, Planar Binding, Plane Shift, Protection from Energy, Scrying, Shield, Teleport, Vitriolic Sphere, Wall of Ice, unspecified lightning spell.

    Hilgya Firehelm
    Non-lawful (worships the god of chaos) Evil (DCF), Dwarf female, Cleric of Loki 7+ (required to cast Restoration).
    Wis 14+ (required to cast Restoration).
    Skills: Speak Language (Dwarven)
    Abilities: Dwarf racial abilities, Fire domain, one unknown domain.
    Items: Horned helmet, armor, shield, holy symbol (required to use rebuke ability).

    Yikyik (deceased)
    Chaotic Evil (same as Belkar, DCF), Kobold male, Ranger (DCF).
    Str ~6 (no evidence, racial).
    Dex 12+ (gets additional attack from Combat Reflexes).
    Con ~8 (no evidence, racial).
    Feats: Combat Reflexes, Track (ranger bonus feat).
    Skills: Speak Language (Draconic)
    Abilities: Ranger class abilities.
    Items: Dagger.

    Leeky Windstaff
    Neutral Evil, Gnome male, Druid 13+ (required to cast Fire Storm).
    Str ~8 (no evidence, racial).
    Con ~12 (no evidence, racial).
    Wis 17+ (required to cast Fire Storm).
    Feats (5+): Leadership.
    Abilities: Gnome racial abilities, druid class abilities, animal companion (hawk "Kitty", deceased).

    Pompey
    Neutral Evil, Half-Elf male, Wizard: Conjurer 5+ (required to cast Still Silent Animate Rope).
    Int 14+ (required to cast four 2nd-level spells per day).
    Age: 44+.
    Feats (3+): Scribe scroll (wizard bonus feat), Silent Spell, Still Spell.
    Skills (35+): Knowledge: Arcana.
    Abilities: Half-elf racial abilities, barred schools: evocation and enchantment.
    Items: Spellbook (wizard feature).
    Spells: Animate Rope, Summon Monster I, Summon Monster II, at least 5 touch-range buff spells -- lowest-level possibilities are Mage Armor, Protection from Good, Protection from Law, Bull's Strength, Bear's Endurance.

    Yokyok (deceased)
    Kobold male.
    Str ~6 (no evidence, racial).
    Dex ~12 (no evidence, racial).
    Con ~8 (no evidence, racial).
    Skills: Speak Language (Draconic)
    Items: Rapier.

    Yukyuk (Deceased)
    Kobold male, Ranger 4+ (required for an animal companion) / Rogue.
    Str ~6 (no evidence, racial).
    Dex ~12 (no evidence, racial).
    Con ~8 (no evidence, racial).
    Abilities: Ranger and rogue class abilities, animal companion (riding dog "Sir Scraggly").
    Feats (4+): Endurance, Track (ranger bonus feats).
    Skills: Speak Language (Draconic)
    Items: Two Crossbows of Quick Loading.
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    Hinjo
    Lawful Good, Human male, Paladin 11-12 (three attacks per round, but was lower level than Roy during the battle at Azure City, and hasn't leveled up since).
    Cha 12+ (required for Lay On Hands).
    Age: 26+ (WXP).
    Abilities: Paladin class abilities, Summon Conscience, paladin mount: dire wolf "Argent".
    Items: Cold-iron katana, silvered katana; magic boots, cloak and armor (WXP).

    Lien
    Lawful Good, Human female, Paladin 12+ (higher level than Hinjo).
    Str 13+ (required for Cleave).
    Int 10+ (good, not dumb).
    Cha 12+ (required for Lay On Hands).
    Age: 29+ (three years older than Hinjo, DSTP).
    Feats (6+): Cleave, Power Attack (prerequisite for Cleave), Weapon Focus: Longspear.
    Abilities: Paladin class abilities, paladin mount: large shark "Razor".
    Items: Longspear; magic boots, cloak and armor (WXP); ring of waterbreathing (DSTP).

    Miko Miyazaki (deceased)
    Lawful Good, Human female, Monk 2+ / Fallen Paladin 10+ (three main-hand attacks per round, and higher level than Hinjo).
    Str 13+ (required for Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Katana; the DMG states that a katana is a masterwork bastard sword; wielding it in one hand requires a feat, wielding it in two hands does not).
    Dex 17+ (required for Improved Two-Weapon Fighting).
    Wis 11+ (required to cast Cure Light Wounds in the Miko fight).
    Cha 12+ (required for Lay On Hands).
    Age: 28+ (WXP).
    Feats (6+): Cleave, Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Katana, Improved Two-Weapon Fighting (two off-hand attacks per round), Improved Unarmed Strike, Power Attack, Quick Draw, Stunning Fist, Track, Two-Weapon Fighting (prerequisite for ITWF).
    Skills (30+): Knowledge: the Planes, Spellcraft 0, Survival +1.
    Abilities: Monk class abilities, unavailable paladin mount: horse "Windstriker".
    Items: Magic boots, cloak and armor (WXP); katana, wakizashi.

    O-Chul
    Lawful Good, Human male, Fighter / Paladin 3+ (has Aura of Courage), total level 12+ (higher than Hinjo).
    Str 11+ (can carry Vaarsuvius).
    Con ~25 (WXP).
    Cha <10 (dump stat).
    Age: 29+ (fighter for twelve years, and minimum age for a fighter is 16).
    Skills (45+): Bluff 0, Spellcraft, Swim.
    Abilities: Paladin class abilities.

    Shojo (deceased)
    Chaotic Good, Human male, Aristocrat 14.
    Str / Dex / Con ~4 (no evidence, age).
    Int / Wis / Cha ~13 (no evidence, age).
    Age: 72+ (WXP).
    Feats (6): Improved Paranoia.
    Skills (68+): Bluff, Perform (puppetry).

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    Tarquin
    Lawful Evil, Human male, level 21+ (for Infinite Deflection).
    Str 16+ (can carry Nale).
    Con ~9 (no evidence, age).
    Dex 25+ (required for Infinite Deflection).
    Int, Wis, Cha ~11 (no evidence, age).
    Age: 51+ (adventuring for 35 years).
    Feats: Quick draw, [Dodge and Sidestep Charge or Robilar's Gambit], Improved Unarmed Strike, Deflect Arrows, Snatch Arrows, Combat Reflexes, Infinite Deflection, Improved Grapple, Power Attack, Improved Sunder
    Skills: Speak Language: Drow Sign Language, Ride, Spellcraft, Spot
    Abilities: Evasion
    Items: Dagger, helmet, two Rings of Regeneration, Ring of True Seeing, Glamoured Armor, mask that says "Nope" on it, whip, Extra Strength Keoghtum Ointment.

    Malack (Deceased), pseudonym
    Lawful Evil, Lizardfolk male vampire, Cleric of Nergal 12 (required for Craft Staff, but no higher spells).
    Age: 200+.
    Str ~18 (no evidence, racial).
    Con n/a (undead).
    Dex ~14 (no evidence, racial).
    Int ~10 (no evidence, racial).
    Wis 20+ (from spells per day).
    Cha ~14 (no evidence, racial).
    Skills: Speak Language (Draconic)
    Feats (5+): Craft Staff, Quicken Spell; Alertness, Combat Reflexes, Dodge, Improved Initiative, Lightning Reflexes (all vampire bonus feats).
    Abilities: Vampire abilities, Cleric Domains (Death and Destruction).
    Items: Holy Symbol.
    Spells: Standard cleric list, plus Death and Destruction domain spells, Protection from Daylight.

    Laurin Shattersmith
    Evil Human Female, Psion 13+ (To be level drained but still manifest Disintegrate)
    Str, Dex, Con ~7 (No evidence, age)
    Int 16+ (To manifest Disintegrate)
    Wis, Cha ~12 (No evidence, age)
    Age: 58+
    Items: Headband, Red Ioun Stone, Green Ioun Stone, Orange Ioun Stone
    Powers Known: Body Adjustment, Clairvoyant Sense, Control Body, Dimension Door, Disintegrate, Dispel Psionics, Specified Energy Adaptation, Mental Disruption, Mind Probe, Telekinetic Force, Unspecified Attack Power, Wormhole

    Miron Shewdanker
    Evil Human Male, [Wizard 15+ or Sorcerer 16+] (To cast Horrid Wilting)
    Str, Dex ~9 (No evidence, age)
    Con 6+
    Int [18+ or ~11]
    Wis ~11 (No evidence, age)
    Cha [~11 or 18+]
    (Intelligence or Charisma depends on which class he is)
    Age: 38+
    Spells Known: Baleful Polymorph, Contingency, Greater Dispel Magic, Horrid Wilting, Teleport, Unspecified Defensive Spell

    Kilkil
    Lawful Neutral Winged Kobold male, level 5-10 (paralyzed by Holy Word).
    Str ~6 (no evidence, racial).
    Dex ~12 (no evidence, racial).
    Con ~8 (no evidence, racial).
    Items: Glasses.
    Skills: Speak Language (Draconic)
    Abilities: Flight.
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    Soon Kim (Deceased)
    Lawful Good, Human Sacred Watcher Male, Paladin 21+ (Low Epic).
    Str 13+ (For EWP (Katana))
    Con n/a (Deathless)
    Cha ~14 (No Evidence, Sacred Watcher)
    Abilities: Flight, Paladin Abilities, Sacred Watcher Abilities, Deathless Abilities
    Feats: Exotic Weapon Proficiency (Katana)
    Skills:
    Items: Enchanted Armor, Katana.
    Spells: Standard Paladin Spells.

    Lirian (deceased, SoD)
    Neutral Good, Female elf Druid 21+ (Low Epic).
    Dex ~12 (no evidence, elf).
    Con ~8 (no evidence, elf).
    Wis 19+ (required to cast Shapechange, SoD)
    Skills: Speak Language (Elven, Druidic)
    Feats:
    Items:
    Spells: Standard Druid, plus Divine Half of the Rift Sealing Ritual, Divine Half of the Gate Building Ritual, Guardian Virus and Guardian Virus Innoculation

    Dorukan (Deceased, SoD)
    Neutral Good, Human Wizard 21+.
    Str/Dex/Con ~4 (No evidence, age)
    Int 19+ (required to cast Gate)
    Age: 71+
    Skills: Spellcraft 24+, Knowledge (Arcana) 24+ (For Epic Spellcasting)
    Feats: Scribe Scroll (wizard bonus feat), Craft Wonderous Item, Epic Spellcasting
    Spells: Anti-Second Edition Ward, Arcane Half of the Rift Sealing Ritual, Arcane Half of the Gate Building Ritual, Cloister, Unspecified Conjuration (Calling) spell, "Pure Heart" Ward, Sending, Teleport, Prismatic Spray, Meteor Swarm, Gate, Scrying, Unspecified Fire Spell

    Girard Draketooth (deceased)
    Black Dragon-blooded Human male, Ranger 2/Sorcerer 19+ (Low Epic).
    Cha 19+ (required to cast Microcosm)
    Feats: Track, Two-Weapon Fighting, not Epic Spellcasting.
    Spells: Microcosm, Recorded Message/Booby Trap, Invisibility Spell, Other Illusions

    Serini Toormuck
    Halfling female, Rogue 21+ (Low Epic).
    Str ~5 (no evidence, halfling, age)
    Dex ~9 (no evidence, halfling, age)
    Con ~7 (no evidence, age)
    Int/Wis/Cha ~12 (No evidence, age)
    Abilities: Halfling abilities, Rogue abilities
    Skills:
    Feats:
    Items: Shortbow

    Kraagor (Deceased)
    Non-lawful, Dwarf Male, Barbarian
    Con ~12 (no evidence, dwarf)
    Int 8+ (Doesn't use Thog-speak)
    Cha ~8 (no evidence, dwarf)
    Abilities: Dwarf abilities, Barbarian abilities
    Skills: Speak Language (Dwarven)
    Feats:
    Items: Axe


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    Celia
    Lawful Good (DSTP), Sylph female, 6+ HD (required to cast Lightning Bolt).
    Cha 16+ (required to cast four 3rd-level spells in a day).
    Age: 22+ (WXP).
    Abilities: Flight, cast sorcerer spells as a caster of a level equal to her HD, shoot lightning out of her fingers (all racial abilities).
    Skills (36+): Spellcraft.
    Items: Black eyeliner pencil, cell phone, 'feeblemind causing' blue dress.
    Spells: Alter Self, Lightning Bolt, either Fog Cloud or Obscuring Mist, no necromancy spells.

    Eugene Greenhilt (deceased, OOPC)
    Lawful Good (SOD), Human male ghost, Wizard: Illusionist 11+ (required to cast Permanent Image).
    Str/Dex ~4 (no evidence, age).
    Con n/a (undead).
    Int 16+ (required to cast Permanent Image).
    Wis ~13 (no evidence, age).
    Cha 6+ (required to become a ghost).
    Age: 81+ (WXP).
    Feats (8+): Scribe Scroll (wizard bonus feat).
    Items: Spellbook (wizard feature).
    Spells: Detect Scrying, Fly (SOD), Invisibility Sphere, Minor Image (OOPC), Permanent Image, Summon Boot, Teleport (SOD), unspecified chair conjuration (OOPC), unspecified fire spell.

    Julia Greenhilt
    True Neutral, Human female, Wizard 3.
    Int 15+ (required to cast Sending from a scroll).
    Age: 17+ (five years younger than Nale).
    Feats (4): Scribe Scroll (wizard bonus feat).
    Spells: Feather Fall, Magic Missile.

    Samantha (deceased)
    Evil (NCPB), Human female, Sorcerer 12 (required to cast exactly three 6th level spells in a day).
    Cha 16-21 (required to cast Chain Lightning, but has no bonus spells at level 6). Also, her charisma is higher than Haley's.
    Age: 18.
    Feats (5): Maximize Spell, not Silent Spell, not Still Spell.
    Spells: Chain Lightning, Fireball, Fly, Hold Person, Lightning Bolt, Magic Missile, Protection From Arrows.

    Qarr
    Lawful Evil, Imp male, Sorcerer 8-10 (required to cast Charm Monster, and to get only two Scorching Rays).
    Dex ~17 (no evidence, racial).
    Wis ~12 (no evidence, racial).
    Cha 14+ (required to cast Charm Monster).
    Feats (5+): Dodge, Weapon Finesse (racial bonus feats).
    Abilities: Flight, poison, detect good, detect magic, invisibility: self, suggestion 1/day, commune 1/week, alternate form, damage reduction 5/good or silver, darkvision, fast healing, poison immunity, fire resistance; greater teleport: self plus 50 pounds of objects, plane shift, summon devil (all racial abilities);
    Spells: Charm Monster, Lesser Telepathic Bond or Telepathic Bond, Lightning Bolt, Scorching Ray, Extraplanar Phone Connection.
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    Q: In which comic do the characters demonstrate having leveled?
    Level
    9 12 12 12 12 12 12
    10 124 125 124 124 124 124
    11 251 ??? 201 ??? ??? 186
    12 ???, 665 249 ??? ??? 477 ???
    13 485, 862 ??? 556 393 511 397
    14 886 ??? 859 647 ??? 627
    15 936 860 - 904 615 716
    16 - 936 - 936 936 935
    How could 936 be proof of they reached that level?
    Elan dose nothing except talking with Tarquin and Roy or Belkar are not even appear in that comic.

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    I think the rationale was that they just finished an encounter that would at minimum have put them over the EXP requirement for leveling, but I am unsure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loreweaver15 View Post
    I think the rationale was that they just finished an encounter that would at minimum have put them over the EXP requirement for leveling, but I am unsure.
    Aye, scroll down to each individual character (except for Durkon, who did not gain enough XP to level after the fight with Tarqin, Laurin, and Miron and likely will never level again) and you'll see a link marked "forum" next to their names that links to the post containing the evidence.

    Since we're discussing the table, I still have to question how strip 904 demonstrates Elan having 15 levels. As I recall, the rationale for listing him with 15 levels was the comparison with Nale as a personal nemesis. As such, I would think that strip 860, which shows Nale getting deafened, but not blinded, by Durkon's holy word, would make a better cite.

    EDIT: alternatively, if that's no longer considered a good rationale, is there any reason to list Elan as having reached level 15 before 936 at all?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zimmerwald1915 View Post
    Since we're discussing the table, I still have to question how strip 904 demonstrates Elan having 15 levels. As I recall, the rationale for listing him with 15 levels was the comparison with Nale as a personal nemesis. As such, I would think that strip 860, which shows Nale getting deafened, but not blinded, by Durkon's holy word, would make a better cite.
    Fixed.

    Also added the 13 dex required for Roy's feats.

    Quote Originally Posted by Loreweaver15 View Post
    I think the rationale was that they just finished an encounter that would at minimum have put them over the EXP requirement for leveling, but I am unsure.
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    @Orange Prism Ioun Stone:

    It is currently listed under V's item, but all the in-comic evidence imo points toward that it is Blackwing's item:

    935, last panel: Blackwing says: "I totally snagged a bauble."
    This is also the last time we see the Ioun Stone: In Blackwing's claw.
    937, second panel: Blackwing says: "bury me with my shiny!"

    We haven't seen V since then, but unless he/she shows up with it or otherwise they discuss that V has it, I think it should be moved to Blackwing.

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    Minor nitpick: Elan is currently listed as Bard 13/Dashing Swordsman (total level 16), which is fairly confusing, as it implies that we know for sure that he's a level 13 bard and has a total level of 16, but don't know his Dashing Swordsman level.

    Wouldn't it be better to list him as Bard 13+/Dashing Swordsman 1-3 (total level 16)? Since he seems to have leveled since strip 647, we no longer have any reason to assume that he's a precisely level 13 bard, and he could plausibly have anywhere between 1 and 3 Dashing Swordsman levels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Emanick View Post
    Minor nitpick: Elan is currently listed as Bard 13/Dashing Swordsman (total level 16), which is fairly confusing, as it implies that we know for sure that he's a level 13 bard and has a total level of 16, but don't know his Dashing Swordsman level.

    Wouldn't it be better to list him as Bard 13+/Dashing Swordsman 1-3 (total level 16)? Since he seems to have leveled since strip 647, we no longer have any reason to assume that he's a precisely level 13 bard, and he could plausibly have anywhere between 1 and 3 Dashing Swordsman levels.
    Good point, but a tad redundant. I would prefer:
    • Bard 13+/Dashing Swordsman 1+ (total level 16)

    or
    • Bard 13+/Dashing Swordsman 1-3


    With a preference for the first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grey_Wolf_c View Post
    Good point, but a tad redundant. I would prefer:
    • Bard 13+/Dashing Swordsman 1+ (total level 16)

    or
    • Bard 13+/Dashing Swordsman 1-3


    With a preference for the first.

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    The first one is dramatically better. The second one says nothing about what Elan's level is, certainly he could be level 14 given that description.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kornaki View Post
    The first one is dramatically better. The second one says nothing about what Elan's level is, certainly he could be level 14 given that description.
    Agreed. The first is clear and precise.

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    I dont usually post here, but doesn't Blackwing have a "Shiny" now as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rbetieh View Post
    I dont usually post here, but doesn't Blackwing have a "Shiny" now as well?
    The "Shiny" is the Orange Ioun Stone we've been discussing.

    Should Elan be deprived of his +3 Keen Rapier? I don't believe we kept Haley's +3 Bow after Crystal snapped it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RMS Oceanic View Post
    The "Shiny" is the Orange Ioun Stone we've been discussing.

    Should Elan be deprived of his +3 Keen Rapier? I don't believe we kept Haley's +3 Bow after Crystal snapped it.
    Is there a way to be sure that's what Tarquin Sundered?

    Elan has his first rapier sundered by Belkar. Haley found him another, and he used that until Nale stole his identity. Then Julio gave him the +3 Keen rapier and he reacquired his other (Word of Giant). Tarquin sundered one, but he should still have another and there's no definitive way to tell which is which.


    Regarding the stone: I think it's a nitpick to want to give it to Blackwing. V is the only one of them that can make use of it anyway.
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    It's not a nitpick: It's what we've observed in the comic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by orrion View Post
    Regarding the stone: I think it's a nitpick to want to give it to Blackwing. V is the only one of them that can make use of it anyway.
    Since when does "is best usage" trump over "in-comic evidence"?

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    The word deceased is capitalized inconsistently. I, for one, prefer the lower-case d.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChristianSt View Post
    Since when does "is best usage" trump over "in-comic evidence"?
    Since this thread began distributing items according to each character's needs, irrespective of property rights

    Seriously, if you want "in-comic evidence," the ioun stone is nowhere to be seen in strip 943. Blackwing might have stored it in that mysterious hammerspace where he keeps his sombrero, fake beard, and other bauble, but why would he do that? An ioun stone orbits the user's head and doesn't need to be stored anywhere, and keeping it out of sight means that Blackwing can't look at it.

    Devil's advocacy aside, I agree it should be listed as Blackwing's item until further notice. But it's really not that big a deal. One thing I will say: if Kurald wants to make that edit, he should be quick about it. 944 will come out fairly soon, and might necessitate another edit.
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    The link explaining why Belkar's daggers are at least +4 and +2 is broken.
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    Nitpick: Tarquin is listed as having "Glamoured Armor"; in comic it is called "glamered armor," which is the same spelling as is used in the SRD.

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    Ok, moved the Ioun Shiny to Blackwing with the expectation that I'll move it back soon

    Also fixed Elan's level, fixed Belkar's link, and removed the rapier.

    See, Elan loses one rapier (and Haley's moisturizer) in 714. The Giant said that what he used in 722 is his other rapier. Then in 729, Roy and Belkar have recovered the gear, they have Haley's dagger and bow, plus the warrant, but no sign of the rapier (or the moisturizer, which we've unlisted from Haley ages ago). Same thing in 732. Then in 934, Tarquin sunders his other rapier, so Elan has no rapiers left.
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    Hey, I noticed the ages on the Azure City-ites were marked with indefinite answers, but the War and XPs book (as well as the "Don't Split the Party" bonus section) gives us some proper ages.

    Miko is 28 and Hinjo is 23 as of the beginning of War and XPs. Lien also mentions during Don't Split the Party that Hinjo is five years younger than her, so she'd be 28.

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    As a Devil, Qarr has telepathy as a trait.
    Most, but not all, devils have telepathy; in particular, imps do not. Furthermore, devil telepathy has a range of 100 feet, and Qarr has been shown to use telepathy at a substantially longer range than that. And we already know he has sorcerer levels; hence, the spell.
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