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2014-03-06, 10:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I dreamed about Vaarsuvius' gender
Transgenders have been a thing for a very long time...but it was somewhat taboo and not often spoken of in most societies until more recently.
I don't see why a sex box would be necessary at all on job applications. Why should your boss care whether you're convex or concave? Just limit it to gender, and do include more than just the standard M/F dichotomy as well.Originally Posted by inuyashaOriginally Posted by Jormengand
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2014-03-06, 12:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I dreamed about Vaarsuvius' gender
Actually, yes. That is accurate. It's not just limited to straight male-to-female or vice versa transgender though; check the new Facebook gender options for a sample of the genders going around these days. And yes, employers should include more options for the non-binary gendered. Putting down 'Gender' followed by a dotted line should cover it.
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2014-03-06, 12:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I dreamed about Vaarsuvius' gender
So you're saying |Haley's gender| is smaller than |Elan's gender|?
Spoiler: Cartesian geometryWhat I'm getting from this is that if Haley's gender was the line from (-1,0) to (1,0) and Elan's was the line from (0,-1) to (0,1), then V's goes from (-1/sqrt2, -1/sqrt2) to (1/sqrt2, 1/sqrt2), and Inky's goes from (-1/sqrt2, 1/sqrt2) to (1/sqrt2, -1/sqrt2)?
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2014-03-06, 01:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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2014-03-06, 01:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I dreamed about Vaarsuvius' gender
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2014-03-06, 08:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I dreamed about Vaarsuvius' gender
I'm a decade older than that, and I've managed to wrap my head around it. Since we're on a forum dedicated to a fantasy story, let me run you a hypothetical:
If a meddlesome wizard transferred your mind (I'm assuming you're a dude here) into the body of a woman, you'd still think of yourself as a man, right? You'd still have the same thoughts and self-perception, at least for a while; you'd still be you.
If you can accept that, then you've accepted the idea that physical sex and gender don't always have to go together. From there, it's a small step to imagine people who feel like that all the time, often from a very young age—who feel, very strongly and firmly, that their inner self doesn't match their outer body. People react to this in a lot of ways, from surgery to hormones to dressing differently to cutting their hair to nothing at all, but whatever they decide to do it's polite to treat them as the gender they want to be treated as.
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2014-03-06, 09:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I dreamed about Vaarsuvius' gender
Because there are cases where that sort of thing is relevant. For instance, female shoppers might not want to have to interact with male sales representative in the lingerie section. Males may not want to be strip-searched by female officers, and when it comes to the medical field, many patients aren't comfortable being examined by members of the opposite sex. A lot of it boils down to liability. It may not be a perfect system, but it avoids a lot of potential problems without forcing everyone to have to either come clean or lie about their gender identity.
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2014-03-06, 10:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I dreamed about Vaarsuvius' gender
Assume that all of those vertical, horizontal, and diagonal lines were the same length: I was working within the constraints of the ASCII character set there. But you'll note that my ket expressions included the 1/sqrt(2) factors for the elven genders.
Time travels in divers paces with divers persons.
—As You Like It, III:ii:328
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2014-03-06, 10:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I dreamed about Vaarsuvius' gender
Originally Posted by Cavenskull
Fates was referring to questions about ones genitals. If, say, a trans man is asked what his assigned sex is, he would be forced to say "female" (or lie). Your system forces trans people to identify themselves. It doesn't help them keep quiet about it.
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Never had any dreams about Oots. I remember once I played Baldurs Gate II so much that my dreams played out the same way. I controlled myself and my friends from a computer screen the same way I'd control my BGII characters.Originally Posted by crayzzOriginally Posted by jere7my
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2014-03-07, 01:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I dreamed about Vaarsuvius' gender
That's why I said it's not a perfect system. Unfortunately, we're still a long ways out from a society where a person's sex and gender can be considered a non-issue. So in the meantime we're stuck with a system that caters to heterosexual people.
With the current system, trans individual would end up suffering as your example indicates, but it doesn't require people to disclose their gender identity. An alternative system that emphasizes gender identity over sex could get complicated quite fast and may very well introduce more problems than it solves. And in today's society, not having a system at all just isn't going to work.
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2014-03-08, 01:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I dreamed about Vaarsuvius' gender
Guest comic or not, this is already canonically settled in comic 667.
V admits he's wrong. QED, he's a man.If it's not obvious, insert a after my post.
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2014-03-08, 08:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I dreamed about Vaarsuvius' gender
V doesn't refer to himself by gene=der in that strip. Or did I miss something?
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2014-03-08, 10:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I dreamed about Vaarsuvius' gender
General gist, sex means what genitals you were born with.
Gender, to the layman, means the exact same thing.
Gender, to people who know about gender studies, means which of many roles and relationships in society you choose to identify yourself as. Which is where we get trans-males and trans-females, and probably more things I don't know about. They tend to get annoyed when people make the mistake. I think their qualms are something about limiting the self-expression of people or something.
Honestly, if someone starts acting up about the differences between gender and sex, it's really best to just smile, say "Oh, that's nice" and move on to a different topic.
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2014-03-08, 11:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I dreamed about Vaarsuvius' gender
Note: If you say "oh that's nice" then try to change the subject, someone may (justifiably) punch you. There is a high correlation between people saying "oh that's nice" and people (justifiably) being punched. Try instead apologising for making the mistake, or saying literally anything aside from "oh that's nice." Because you will (justifiably) be punched.
Seriously, you could be incredibly dismissive of the trans population and and tell them to stop acting up about societal prejudice, ignorance and all that, and it would still be less (justifiable) punch-inducing than "oh that's nice."
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2014-03-08, 11:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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2014-03-09, 12:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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2014-03-09, 12:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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2014-03-12, 08:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I dreamed about Vaarsuvius' gender
Makes more sense than my OOTS dreams.
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2014-03-13, 03:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I dreamed about Vaarsuvius' gender
This is why Rich is never going to reveal V's gender! What started out as a harmless joke turned into a monstrosity of epic proportions like the snarl! Now the entire community is divided into factions devoted to their belief in V's gender!
If he were to reveal V's gender now...there would be chaos! Panic! Destruction! A huge chunk of his readers would leave in utter disgust, vowing to never see another strip or buy a piece of merchandise again because the comic was RUINED FOREVER.
*dramatic apocalypse theme*
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2014-03-13, 03:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I dreamed about Vaarsuvius' gender
Reasoning on Vaarsuvius' sex:
1) It was not originally intended by Mr. Burlew that the matter be ambiguous.
2) Vaarsuvius has a straight-lined figure akin to that of the males of OotS, not like that of Haley or other females shown.
3) Vaarsuvius wears a long garment without trousers, with a hemline at the wizard's ankles.
3a) Wizards are well-known for wearing robes, and several wizard-centered magic items are robes.
3b) Vaarsuvius is a wizard, and therefore is likely to wear robes, regardless of sex.
4) Men and women can both grow hair of the length Vaarsuvius' hair ends at.
5) The first thing we know about Vaarsuvius, besides being an elf wizard, is that the character has a long name with a masculine Latin ending.
6) Vaarsuvius' character traits, such as being self-important, aggressive and direct in use of destructive power, and sesquipedalian, are more often seen in fictional male characters (emphasis on fictional) than on fictional female characters.
Occam's Razor suggests pretty clearly, then, considering that Vaarsuvius, from the beginning has several male traits and no unambiguously female traits, that Vaarsuvius was meant to be unambiguously male at the start of the comic and the ambiguity in gender is only thanks to people incapable of imagining men with long robes or long hair.Last edited by VoxRationis; 2014-03-13 at 03:50 PM.
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2014-03-13, 05:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I dreamed about Vaarsuvius' gender
We've been with OOTS since the beginning. We've watched it grow from a simple gag a day to a sweeping, grand, but still hillarious adventure. Some of us even donated our hard earned money for no reason other than the fact that we like this webcomic. And now we're pointlessly debating a entirely ambigous gender of an elf? Really?
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2014-03-13, 05:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I dreamed about Vaarsuvius' gender
It's not just "an elf". V is one of the main characters in the story and plays a significant role in its development.
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2014-03-13, 06:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I dreamed about Vaarsuvius' gender
I never said he was just an elf. He's one of my favorite characters. I'm just saying, there's no resolution, so why argue?
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2014-03-13, 09:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I dreamed about Vaarsuvius' gender
Mostly because its a harmless and fun debate. It may seem like people get divided into "camps" on this issue but it is all in good fun.
Personally I just see Vaarsuvius as... Vaarsuvius. Not sure why but gender never really struck me in "its" case. Though when I shorthand it, I say he or him until I correct myself. Guess I'm just confused.
To OP: interesting dream and please be my spiritual DM.
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2014-03-18, 03:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I dreamed about Vaarsuvius' gender
Fun to have headcanons for, sure. But these threads debating Vaarsuvius' gender quickly spiral into demeaning and invasive. Every time. This is a very real and very important matter to a lot of people, and always, inevitably, this thread boils down to an ignorant and bizarre obsession over genitals and bodies. Do they make that grand of a difference in V as a character, or a person?
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2014-03-18, 07:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I dreamed about Vaarsuvius' gender
They do not. V's character is independent of gender or sex, which is cool. The most important thing about any person is seldom either.
It might seem that way with people with a non-obvious combination of sex and gender, but in that hypothetical person's case, the reason that is important is that they are in a society which would be unlikely to accept them fully.
I think it can be hard to accept that some things will never be answered or made explicit. Whether V is a male or female or whatever is a question that is built into our language, so I can see why the answer seems so urgent. But in the end, it is not what is important about this character.
The ambiguity draws attention to how much we like things sorted out and labelled, which might tell us something about how important those labels and categories are in our personal knowing who someone is. That tells us more about ourselves than it does about this stick-elf whose obsessions cost him/her his/her family and possibly soul.Last edited by Dammann; 2014-03-18 at 07:18 AM.
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2014-03-31, 12:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I dreamed about Vaarsuvius' gender
Aside: I see that this thread now bears the "Guessing" tag. OK, I suppose that's a reasonable tag to attach to it... But I didn't put it there. Did the moderators go through and tag every live thread while the board was down? That seems a lot of work. And why are many threads still un-tagged, then? Or is it something that random members can change?
Time travels in divers paces with divers persons.
—As You Like It, III:ii:328
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2014-03-31, 01:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I dreamed about Vaarsuvius' gender
That's a thread prefix, technically; tags are something different. (Have you seen the announcement about the new forum features? It might answer your questions).
And at least some of them were added by the moderators by hand; the Index of the Giant's Comments had an edit note this morning about adding the prefix.FeytouchedBanana eldritch disciple avatar by...me!
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2014-04-01, 12:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I dreamed about Vaarsuvius' gender
If you have a "XXX" set of genitals, then you suffer from Triple X Syndrome, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_X_syndrome
And it's not funny. Also, the genitals look like those of a XX person.
Also, what a person looks like is not only determined by chromosomes, it's more complicated than that. Involves hormones. The default of the human body is female, so, the XY combination may be found in a person who looks like a woman but may or may not consider themselves a woman.
I like the theory that V could be female, and am saddened by the fact that, most likely, s/he was intended to be male.Last edited by Themrys; 2014-04-01 at 12:54 PM.
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2014-04-01, 01:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I dreamed about Vaarsuvius' gender
Just to clear up semantics:
Your SEX is related to your naughty bits being innies or outies.
Your GENDER is related to how you relate to the world.
People who are transgendered have one set of naughty bits but relate to the world (including themselves) as though they had the other.
To further complicate matters, transgendered people can be sexually attracted to either or both options.
And if your SEX and your GENDER match (like me), you are cis-gendered. And your life is probably a lot easier for that, so please be gentle to those who are not.
Vaarsuvius has naughty bits of one sort, but may think and feel as though the other set would be a better match. Or not. The Giant's not telling.
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