Cat Fight II - Attack of the Reinholdts - Game On

[Count Dingdong]

He voted for bladescape since he knows he's dangerous and can't be assured he's on his side (oh English and your ambiguous pronouns...). People took that as a way to get dangerous people out of the game, which is good for town if they're wolves but good for wolves if they're town. At this point, there's not much of a reason behind many of the votes, aside from people disagreeing with Helgraf (though the reverse situation is about as bad in my opinion: I don't like seeing new players die early...).

Well, being first lynch (or NK...) is always horrible, as no one wants to leave a game they just started, but there's not much evidence for anyone else. Right now we have Helgraf wagon for above reasons and bladescape wagon for "pressure" as of Gnrlshrimp. That said, bladescape's probably asleep right now, so we won't get much response from him for a few hours at least.

[Murska]

Ark, nice Caelynn catatar.
Murska, Helgraf, and Gnrlshrimp. Y'all can save the hardcore theorizing, arguments, and explaining for the second day. It's the first day. Nobody has any valid suspicion of anyone else.

This is a common fallacy. Why would suspicions on the second day magically be more valid than ones on the first day? On the second day, we'll have more information which means we might possibly have better targets, but if we lynch randomly on day one and the wolves roll dice to kill in the night, we won't actually have any more information on the second day. And there is no fundamental difference in any case, between the information we have now and the information we will have later, there is just the quantitative difference that later we will have more of it. That does not mean we should not direct our attention today according to what we know today. The only truly random point in a game is the very first point of the very first day.*

*And even this is debatable. A counterexample: Player A knows Player B is online when game starts, and knows from previous games that as a villager Player B wants to vote very early and be loud about it, even when they're willing to change their vote later as the day develops. Player A waits for a while, but several hours later Player B still hasn't responded. So Player A puts the first vote into the thread at Player B, using the reasoning that Player B would've voted already if they were a villager.

[Ramsus]

I'm going to switch to Zar Peter because I don't know if I've ever played with Helgraf before (if so it's been a while) and because Zar Peter singled me out, trying to make a thing out of my random vote. Also maybe I'll earn the friendship of our mystery day vote powerole. (Or at least they won't target me next.)

[Duck999]

One thing I thought I would remind people of:
If there is a tie, all cats involved are lynched.

Filiity smiles.
Ever since I got my mind in a cat, I haven't been able to control my illusions.
His form scatters a little.
As you can probably see.

[Disc Lorde]

His attempts to strike up conversation having failed, Disc Lorde decided to see whether he could still do magic. Mentally going over his list of spells, he discovered that he remembered all his old ones...plus one more.

"Summon Plot Exposition?"

He cast it. A scroll appeared in front of him, explaining the place where he was and telling about the Reinholdt incursion.

"Well, that was interesting."

[Count Dingdong]

One thing I thought I would remind people of:
If there is a tie, all cats involved are lynched.

So... you're saying we should tie everyone at 1 vote, lynching everyone and having the fastest game of WW ever! Everyone wins!
I do not endorse the above idea. I just found it hilarious and thought it worth mentioning. :P

[Aric Kale]

That's a good point, Murska. Thanks

Yes, CDD, that's exactly it.

[Murska]

So, if I or anyone else currently switches off Helgraf wagon and not on bladescape or Zar Peter, we'll have a triple lynch day one.

I'm not sure we want that, given the quality of our suspicions right now...

[Disc Lorde]

Ramsus sees the FruitBasketOfPuppies coming his way and quickly shoves a pair of pants over each other their heads and runs off.

"Hmm. Excuse me, what's that cat's name?"

"Rasmus"

"Hmm, that [COLOR="Red"]Rasmus[/HTML] fellow looks like he's got something to hide. I see some cats are building a wagon around a cat they're calling bladescape, but he's being pretty silent. If we leave him alone, maybe he'll just fade away on his own (be autolynched) or maybe he's in deep thought (busy with real life) in which case it would be unsporting to lynch him now and we should wait until he comes to."

*throws catnip into the thread and runs away*

"Meow!" *pounces on catnip and chews it up* "...Why did I do that?"



OOC: Mostly-joke for the first day because
1) This is supposed to be a fun, silly, lighthearted game.
2) I don't really have any good leads ATM.

And I'll be trying to avoid a tie. If no one switches onto my wagon I'll switch onto another.

[Aric Kale]

Have two people remove their voted for Helgraf and just kill of 5 or 6 cats. Seems legit.

You know, Aric chuckles, lazily opening one eye, back when I was a prince, the battles got pretty nasty. S'why I have this shield. An old family heirloom, designed to protect against scratching cats and biting dogs. I've saved many lives with this thing...
Time to nap again, Aric. Nobody wants to hear your stories.

[Disc Lorde]

Have two people remove their voted for Helgraf and just kill of 5 or 6 cats. Seems legit.

You know, Aric chuckles, lazily opening one eye, back when I was a prince, the battles got pretty nasty. S'why I have this shield. An old family heirloom, designed to protect against scratching cats and biting dogs. I've saved many lives with this thing...
Time to nap again, Aric. Nobody wants to hear your stories.

"Well, um, I think I heard someone call you Aric, right? Well in your veteran opinion, who do you think is a Reinholdt?"

[Aric Kale]

Aric sits up and licks his paw, his bright green eyes shining in the sunlight. Alas, I am new to this town. I cannot say, friend ___? He leaves off, expecting Disc Lorde to fill in with his name.

[Disc Lorde]

"Disc Lorde. I am new to this town as well. My only guess is that that Rasmus fellow looks rather suspicious."

[Aric Kale]

Oh, I cast my suspicions on reaverb, because he seemed so quick to point fingers. Of course, I have now heard evidence for and against him, but I will maintain my vote. After all, it's only the first day... Aric pulls a rag and bottle of polish out of...his fur? His shield has hair all over it.

[Ramsus]

Hey Banjo, votes for fictional people don't count right? Such as Disk Lourdes?

[Zar Peter]

I'm going to switch to Zar Peter because I don't know if I've ever played with Helgraf before (if so it's been a while) and because Zar Peter singled me out, trying to make a thing out of my random vote. Also maybe I'll earn the friendship of our mystery day vote powerole. (Or at least they won't target me next.)

I didn't single you out, I said your point was discussionworthy. Fortunatley for you your reaction on my post is more like that of an angry villager than that of an rational wolf so I don't switch my finger against you although I'm very tempted.

[Sabeki]

I also agree the Ramsus vote is discussion worthy, especially seeing as he's an experienced player, so should be providing more discussion than just a random vote at a newcomer, of all people. Hrmm...
But, I think I'll stay on my original so as not to upset and make a lot of people die with a tie.

[mangosta71]

Well, ya know, if we kill everyone but me the village wins.

[Zar Peter]

Well, ya know, if we kill everyone but me the village wins.

That's what a Reinholdt would say...

[Arkhosia]

We could kill everyone!
Then we all lose and win, it's a tie!

[Sabeki]

Actually, I think the neutrals all want to survive the game, or something like that, so we souhould kill everyone but the neutrals! Everybody wins! Maybe!

[ThePhantom]

Gnrlshrimp, for day 1 random voting.

[Disc Lorde]

Hmm, I'd rather not lynch Helgraf as I don't see a good reason to lynch him IC or OOC. We don't have reason to think he's a Reinholdt and a lynch on him wouldn't be very entertaining.

I also agree the Ramsus vote is discussion worthy, especially seeing as he's an experienced player, so should be providing more discussion than just a random vote at a newcomer, of all people. Hrmm...
But, I think I'll stay on my original so as not to upset and make a lot of people die with a tie.

There's still time left in the day and I'm not going to let it end in a tie. If you put a third vote on Rasmus it might change things.



And since night is coming up, I'd like to ask that any Catopians with a "vigilante" role that gives them a night kill hold their fire until they have good reason to believe that someone is a Reinholdt. Otherwise you're more likely to hit a Catopian.

[Ramsus]

So... you agree with me that there's no real reason to lynch Helgraf. But then think we should lynch me instead because.... I random voted on day 1 (what a crime, nobody else did that surely) and decided we shouldn't lynch Helgraf and switched my target to someone who sounded wolfish by trying to make something out of nothing? By that obtuse logic should you not be encouraging people to lynch yourself?

Edit: Seriously, I would like to play, go bother someone who isn't contributing anything if you're that hungry to make something out of nothing.

[Zjoot]

I'll add to that that the Reinholdts almost certainly have a disguiser and we almost certainly have a fool, so don't trust your scry results.

While I am somewhat tempted to vote for Ramsus, I believe I remember him making the exact same kind of vote in previous games. The intention is not to lynch new players on their first day, since the vote will likely not gain traction. It's essentially a throwaway, which doesn't present much of a reason to lynch him. If I'm interpreting this wrong Ramsus, let me know.

Anyways, LoP answered my query so I'll move my vote from her and put it on Cristo Meyers. I haven't noticed anything that stands out as particularly wolfish...unfortunately the bandwagons haven't really developed enough, and I don't think they can in time for it to help much. I'll put a vote on Tom the Mime I think. I trust my hunches when it comes to Tom and my hunch this game is that he's a wolf.

[bladescape]

Alright, so despite not being really dangerous since my return to the Playground (Rather because of my extremely limited time) I honestly take those points more on a pride moment. But when I've made it fairly abundantly clear I've been less than active so far due to my life, I find this vote:

Anyway, I imagine there's good reason for the silence but as of yet I don't believe Bladescape has said much.

Irritating. Since yes, of frigging course I haven't said much.

Anyways, since I think Shrimp hasn't played much with me, I'll let that slide.

What has pinged my radar is the rather interesting jumps on the Helgraf wagon by both Arkhosia and DLD.

I'd honestly rather get Tom the Mime than any other target right now.

[Disc Lorde]

So... you agree with me that there's no real reason to lynch Helgraf. But then think we should lynch me instead because.... I random voted on day 1 (what a crime, nobody else did that surely) and decided we shouldn't lynch Helgraf and switched my target to someone who sounded wolfish by trying to make something out of nothing? By that obtuse logic should you not be encouraging people to lynch yourself?

Edit: Seriously, I would like to play, go bother someone who isn't contributing anything if you're that hungry to make something out of nothing.

There's no reason to be sarcastic, or to make unfounded guesses as to my motivation. Really, my only reason to vote for you was that I thought it would be fun because I could justify it IC. I don't really think you're a wolf more than Helgraf, but if I can't do something that's game-winning I could at least do something that (I think would be) fun. Look, it's a game, and someone has to be lynched, so chill out a bit please.

I was gunning for you a bit more than was warranted, and for that I apologize.

I'll put a vote on Tom the Mime I think. I trust my hunches when it comes to Tom and my hunch this game is that he's a wolf.

Huh, why? His only post was that one where he made a joke vote. Does he not normally play like that?

I'd honestly rather get Tom the Mime than any other target right now.

Why?

[Aventine]

random vote for Sabeki

[bladescape]

Just because he hasn't contributed much comparatively. At least the other targets have been talking.

On another note, I didn't realise I took more than 11 mins to post... I didn't see Zjoot's post. : |

[Zjoot]

Huh, why? His only post was that one where he made a joke vote. Does he not normally play like that?

I don't know if I'd say that...and it is a much lighter game so even more serious players may be inclined to joke vote, but I couldn't find much through logic so I decided to go with gut for this phase and gut says Tom the Mime's our guy. If I could explain it, I would have.