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Thread: Goblins XIV: Clerical Omission.
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2014-03-20, 09:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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Yeah. It kind of reminds me of when people let on that they know a secret, but then say, "oh, but I can't tell you." Why did you even let me know you have a secret then? Can't tell me? Fine. But don't pester me about not telling me.
/I have a friend who reviews movies for a local paper, and he's a great guy, but because of whatever non-disclosure or secrecy clause or whatever, he can't talk about movies until his review comes out. This does not, however, prevent him from going on facebook and saying, "Oh man, this movie that I saw this weekend was SOOO great! I can't tell you guys what it was, though."
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2014-03-20, 10:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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"Constant teasers" followed by nothing for a week or two? I only see one such thing, the "This is not the blog post" blog post. Other than that, he didn't post anything until the day he thought he'd get the post out, which apparently gave him far more trouble to write that he thought, even staying up to 6 AM to try to get it done. People are so impatient. Heaven forbid you need to wait a few more hours to learn what's going on.
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2014-03-21, 12:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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The countdown message changed first. Then a few days later there was the "This Is Not the Blog" blog. Then three days ago Thunt said he was writing the blog "tomorrow", which then turned into "before I goto bed". Then he went to bed anyway, but left us with a picture.
I'm confident everyone is capable of waiting, however.
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Do we wanna bet that Thunt's explanation will be posted during our forum shutdown, so we couldn't discuss about it?
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2014-03-21, 07:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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2014-03-21, 08:05 AM (ISO 8601)
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Either he really wants to say something, but he can't, or he can't tell us something, but he really wants to.
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And now it's been another 28 hours since that last twitter-picture-post without any more info.
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2014-03-21, 11:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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Oh I don't think it's hostility towards Thunt. I think it's hostility towards his behavior, and there's a meaningful difference. I hate it when my wife leaves half-full cans of soda on the table/nightstand, but that doesn't mean I hate her.
I'm actually kind of bugged by the attitude that I see from some of the folks over on the Goblins boards - there's some folks who have a really disturbing "omg we owe Thunt SOOOO much he can do no wrong!" kind of perspective on this. Like, I don't bear the guy any personal ill-will, but I do think he's been acting rudely/unprofessionally, and I don't think it makes me ungrateful/spiteful to express that.DM: You come to a fork in the road.
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2014-03-21, 11:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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It is when his behavior is a result of what seems to be a serious crisis of some sort. If he ends up saying "Sorry guys, I got WAY into some video game and couldn't think of a way to explain it", then complain away, but if (as everything points to currently) something major happened that makes going radio silent reasonable, complaining about it is a pretty selfish jerk move.
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2014-03-21, 11:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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Given how much he's struggling to find the right words for an explanation (much less resuming his comic), I suspect THunt has the same problem as a lot of artists with varying levels of anxiety and OCD: Perfectionism. If it's not exactly right and perfect, it's not worth doing; and nothing can be perfect so I can't do this thing.
I've seen many people crippled by paralysis of the "I can't" just based on the (unreasonable and unreasoning) fear of others' expectations of perfection that can't be argued away. It's certainly a clear-enough explanation of his constant need to improve his shading even when it clearly compromises his delivery schedule and business perception overall.
At this point I'm hoping for the best for the people involved; comics come and go, but even subtle mental illness is a heavy stressor on relationships.
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2014-03-21, 12:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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It depends what people complain about. Not giving an explanation is annoying for the readership but, depending on circumstances, can be reasonable and Thunt doesn't owe us any explanation. I'd be perfectly OK with something like "Due to reason I can't/won't divulge, I've been unable to work on the comic for the last few weeks. I'm very sorry and hope to be able to continue the comic as soon as I can."
But promising (to give an explanation) and then not delivering is another thing, and I think that people are within their rights to complain when promises are not delivered on. He'd been better off not promising anything until he actually had his explanation ready. He's too eager to please but (apparently) can't deliver.
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2014-03-21, 12:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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On the other hand, saying he was planning on getting the blog post up could have been done to help motivate him to get, what was to him, a difficult job done. He is clearly trying though (well, that or blantantly lying). And despite the fact that he hasn't gotten the post done yet, that's still an incredibly minor inconvience to the audience compared to what he seems to be going through, which leads back to complaining about it being a selfish response to have. As you said, he doesn't owe us a response, so the fact that he's trying through whatever it is he's going through is admirable and justifies cutting him some slack.
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2014-03-21, 12:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Some people have already said this, but I kind of wanted to phrase it a little differently (or something):
When people say, that the current silence and confusion is hurting the buissness and may drive the readers away, they are right - that's a simple statemant about the effects of the current situation.
When people say, that such a behaviour is unprofessional, they are most likely right as well. There are certain standards, which can be more or less objectively measured (give or take common sense). Lack of information about the reasons for a hiatus most likely qualifies for unprofessional.
There needn't be bad emotions in such statements as the above.
When people ask rhetorical questions along the lines why didn't he simply state the reasons or say anything, they consciously or unconsciously assume, that Thunt is in full control of the situation, which most likely isn't the case - especially, when you consider the latest tweet (or how you name it).
I won't try to divine the reason for the whole hiatus, but if it is a mental breakdown of some sort, then even seemingly simple tasks like posting sorry, taking a break for reasons can become next to impossible and the longer it takes you to do it, the harder it gets. Brain is a marvelous thing, but sometimes the wireing can get messed up. For instance, you can stress over the fact, that you are overstressed. You know consciously, that it's a vicious circle, but you're not necessarily able to get out of it. It's one of those rare things, that Penny Arcade described very accuratly.In a war it doesn't matter who's right, only who's left.
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2014-03-21, 01:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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The hiatus doesn't bug me too much, I read Hunter x Hunter after all.
I'm curious what happened with Thunt though, I'd want to say it's a break down of some sort as well but I don't feel too comfortable speculating over stuff like that. I do hope he's okay whatever it is.
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2014-03-21, 01:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Even after a month-long hiatus, it still updates more frequently than Dresden Codak.
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2014-03-21, 04:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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People keep bringing up mental health issues for some reason. No one has said that it isn't completely acceptable to take a break for that reason. I don't know why it keeps being brought up, because no one is arguing against it.
As for the general argument going on in the thread...at this point it's objectively true that people are getting frustrated and I don't see the point in pretending otherwise. It's not the hiatus, it's the fact that we've been told approximately 4 times now that an explanation was forthcoming, yet each time they fail to fulfill the promise. It's perfectly natural to feel frustration with someone who continually tells you to expect something that they seem to have no actual intention of delivering.
It's not exactly constructive, but neither is anything else we have to currently talk about. Everyone here enjoys the comic on some level, and I highly doubt anyone has anything against Thunt. He seems like a nice person who legitimately cares about his work. That doesn't mean we never get frustrated though.Last edited by Anteros; 2014-03-21 at 04:19 PM.
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2014-03-21, 05:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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Hardly. I (nor most of the others who are irked) are frustrated NOT be the lack of explanation, but by the "hey, I want to share something important with you. I'll tell you soon. Today. Well, maybe tomorrow. Well, maybe Friday. Well..."
As I specifically mentioned earlier, he's got no obligation to share *anything* with us. But we keep getting notified that there's "a big message coming" and it hasn't materialized in a month, despite repeated updates to the "message coming" status. That's irritating. Either share, or don't share, but quit jerking everyone around. I mean, that's practically the textbook definition of being a passive-aggressive drama queen.DM: You come to a fork in the road.
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Again with the exaggerations about updates about this Thunt has done. Twice is not excessive, especially when one is a general heads up and the other is a more specific one. As for your "passive aggressive drama queen" claim, that's jumping to conclusions (specifically, to one that you can feel justified in complaining about), it's as easily a matter as straightforward as Thunt has said thus far, he's having a hard time getting the update out despite his attempts to do so. As has been pointed out, if he's had some sort of mental issue, that can cause these sorts of delays, however earnest Thunt is about getting the update out.
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2014-03-21, 07:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'm with Suvar on this one. Thunt's blatant lack of professionalism has gone from annoying to downright insulting.
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2014-03-21, 07:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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I've never gotten a depressed vibe off of any of the PA guys. I know one of them has a bit of social anxiety, but that's all. I don't follow any of the other comics though. I don't think that depression is really all that common in webcomic artists anyway though. There are literally hundreds if not thousands of webcomics out there. The fact that a handful of the artists are depressed is more a result of the sample size than anything intrinsically wrong with webcomic artists.
I'm going to drop the professionalism argument. I haven't changed my opinion, but the negativity is obviously ruining the thread for other people, which is not something I want. Let's just all agree that we hope Thunt is ok and move on.Last edited by Anteros; 2014-03-21 at 07:54 PM.
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2014-03-21, 07:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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Yep, never mind that he's a human being dealing a situation that was major enough for him to stop work at his main source of income, I'm sure he's not getting the blog post up specifically to insult his audience. That jerk, doesn't he know the massive inconvenience he's inflicting on us?
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