Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. II: It's A Magical Thread

[Petrocorus]

Oh, another thing on a different topic...

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Whaddya wanna bet that being infused with G.H. (grey humanoid? I dunno what it's supposed to stand for) will cause her latent 0-8-4 powers to activate soon?

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I think that Fitz-Simmons' theory on this is that it means Guest House.
Concerning the grey alien, couldn't be a Kree or a Ruul?

I actually would like ton know what T.A.H.I.T.I. means.

On a unrelated note, i really should go to Tahiti one of this day.

[LaZodiac]

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I think that Fitz-Simmons' theory on this is that it means Guest House.
Concerning the grey alien, couldn't be a Kree or a Ruul?

I actually would like ton know what T.A.H.I.T.I. means.

On a unrelated note, i really should go to Tahiti one of this day.

You should, it's a magical place.

[CarpeGuitarrem]

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I think that Fitz-Simmons' theory on this is that it means Guest House.
Concerning the grey alien, couldn't be a Kree or a Ruul?

I actually would like ton know what T.A.H.I.T.I. means.

On a unrelated note, i really should go to Tahiti one of this day.

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Maybe, but the cryo-chamber was also specifically labeled "G.H."...so that implies the initials apply to it in particular.

Also, "Guest House" gains a far more sinister meaning when you consider the full truth of the facility...

[SeeDarkly_X]

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Maybe, but the cryo-chamber was also specifically labeled "G.H."...so that implies the initials apply to it in particular.

Also, "Guest House" gains a far more sinister meaning when you consider the full truth of the facility...

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I think "Guest House" is a deliberate mislead.
While Disney has no legal right to use "mutants" because Fox bought/owns the cinematic rights, there is a concept from the Marvel's mutant comics that fits pretty snugly into that abbreviation:
Growth Hormone.
In the X-men books it's known as "MUTANT Growth Hormone."
While they may not be ready to commit to what the blue man is (and he can't be a "mutant" for those aforementioned legal reasons), "Growth Hormone" still absolutely describes what is being harvested from him.
Alien Growth Hormone, Extrahuman Growth Hormone, etc... whatever "source" you prefix it with... the concept fits.
Also, there appeared to be many variations of the GH compound being harvested. One might think the others could have different effects, though it's now unlikely that we'll know from that specific source since it's buried.

[CarpeGuitarrem]

Yeah, I definitely twigged onto "HGH" when they brought that up. So that's another potential.

[Eldan]

Okay, I caught up.

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So, is Zombie Dr. Manhattan in a Jar actually something from the comics?

[LaZodiac]

Okay, I caught up.

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So, is Zombie Dr. Manhattan in a Jar actually something from the comics?

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The general theory is that he's a Kree.

[Joran]

Okay, I caught up.

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So, is Zombie Dr. Manhattan in a Jar actually something from the comics?

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From an article by MovieBoB: "Amusingly, whereas "big, has blue skin" would be a pretty specific description anywhere else; in the Marvel Universe it only narrows it down to a lot of possibilities, three of which I find fairly plausible.".

The three he mentions are:

1) Jotun (probably not).
2) Kree
3) The Atlanteans AKA the race that Namor is from.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/arti...-T-A-H-I-T-I.3

[CarpeGuitarrem]

So, #2 would mean a clean tie-in with Guardians of the Galaxy...but #3 is more plausible in my mind (since the Chitauri seem to be played up as Earth's first alien encounter). And, in one sense, more horrifying and with worse potential backlash.

[Palanan]

First broadly public alien encounter, anyway. The appearance of the Asgardians in New Mexico seems to be the first alien encounter in the MCU, at least as acknowledged by Nick Fury in The Avengers.

[SeeDarkly_X]

Okay, I caught up.

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So, is Zombie Dr. Manhattan in a Jar actually something from the comics?

All anyone can offer at this point is only theory.
It is not clearly identifiable as anything specific from the comics.
It could just as easily be unique to the MCU.

No one really knows yet... despite vague clues given thus far.

Re: Atlanteans - I'm not clear on this point, but they may fall under the Fantastic Four license, so that could be entirely off the table.

[Giggling Ghast]

The rights to Namor the Sub-Mariner - and therefore, the Atlanteans - are owned by Universal.

http://comicbook.com/blog/2013/08/23...ted-to-marvel/

[Eldan]

I just read the Moviebob article, and it's more complicated than that. They own Namor, but not Atlanteans. This includes, apparently, a female version of Namor named Namorita (seriously) that they might be allowed to use.

[SeeDarkly_X]

I just read the Moviebob article, and it's more complicated than that. They own Namor, but not Atlanteans. This includes, apparently, a female version of Namor named Namorita (seriously) that they might be allowed to use.

Which only diminishes the likelihood that they would even bother to use Atlanteans.
Especially when they can more easily draw from a broader universe with no licensing complications... OR just make up something new and let fans guess what the connections are and fill in that blank later.

And yes... there is a Namorita AND a Namora.

[Petrocorus]

Which only diminishes the likelihood that they would even bother to use Atlanteans.
Especially when they can more easily draw from a broader universe with no licensing complications... OR just make up something new and let fans guess what the connections are and fill in that blank later.

And yes... there is a Namorita AND a Namora.

The same reason we won't see any skrull, they are tied to the FF license.

Namora was Namorita's mother and Namor's ousin IIRC. Howerver, both Namora and Namorita are half-human half-atlantean hybrid, like Namor.
I'm not sure who's Namorita's father.

[SeeDarkly_X]

The same reason we won't see any skrull, they are tied to the FF license.

Namora was Namorita's mother and Namor's ousin IIRC. Howerver, both Namora and Namorita are half-human half-atlantean hybrid, like Namor.
I'm not sure who's Namorita's father.

Namorita's legal dad was Namora's husband... a blue skinned Atlantean...
but IIRC she was biologically just a clone of Namora and not actually "fathered."
Namora's parentage may not have ever been revealed.

Way off topic now though...
But I am looking forward to whatever they reveal. Should be interesting.

[CarpeGuitarrem]

I think it's definitely more likely that the payoff is something Marvelverse-related, because with Project Deathlok and the introduction of Lorelei, it looks like they're solidly moving into establishing lesser-known facets of the Marvelverse as parts of the MCU.

It's true that Centipede and the whole Clairvoyant plot seems (so far) to have been made up whole-cloth, but it seems like they're shifting their tenor some.

[LaZodiac]

I think it's definitely more likely that the payoff is something Marvelverse-related, because with Project Deathlok and the introduction of Lorelei, it looks like they're solidly moving into establishing lesser-known facets of the Marvelverse as parts of the MCU.

It's true that Centipede and the whole Clairvoyant plot seems (so far) to have been made up whole-cloth, but it seems like they're shifting their tenor some.

Still think it's related to AIM. Modok is a really good example of someone who could be the Clairvoyant.

[CarpeGuitarrem]

Still think it's related to AIM. Modok is a really good example of someone who could be the Clairvoyant.

...yes. I'm not sure why I never considered that option. Huh. That makes way too much sense.

[Petrocorus]

Now that i think to it. The Centipede is link to Dr. Aldrich Killian from Iron Man 3 in some way, since their serum seems to have the same effects and problems. And Kilian explicitly is link to the AIM, apparently having founded it in the MCU, IIRC.

[LaZodiac]

Now that i think to it. The Centipede is link to Dr. Aldrich Killian from Iron Man 3 in some way, since their serum seems to have the same effects and problems. And Kilian explicitly is link to the AIM, apparently having founded it in the MCU, IIRC.

Centipede is mentioned to literally be a modified version of Extremus, which is literally what Iron Man 3 was about. So uh...yes.

[Palanan]

Originally Posted by SeeDarkly_X
...OR just make up something new and let fans guess what the connections are and fill in that blank later.

Yeah, that's my guess. They have a whole universe to play with, but they must get the urge to create something of their own now and then, and there's no reason why they shouldn't.

Really, they get twice the fun: creating something of their own, and messing with our heads in the process.

[Petrocorus]

Centipede is mentioned to literally be a modified version of Extremus, which is literally what Iron Man 3 was about. So uh...yes.

Indeed, but it's not explicit about if it they are the AIM or they acquired AIM's Extremis in some way. Or developed a variant by industrial spying. Their version of the serum don't seem to gives the same regeneration abilities than Extremis.

I'm not even sure if AoSHIELD is set after of before Iron Man 3.

[Palanan]

I had the impression it was set afterward. Can't recall the quote now, but there was a mention of Extremis that seemed to place them in the "dealt with" category.

[LaZodiac]

Indeed, but it's not explicit about if it they are the AIM or they acquired AIM's Extremis in some way. Or developed a variant by industrial spying. Their version of the serum don't seem to gives the same regeneration abilities than Extremis.

I'm not even sure if AoSHIELD is set after of before Iron Man 3.

100% after. They mention it's the same Extremus Stark dealt with, and we've had an episode that happens directly because of Thor 2, which 100% has to come after Ironman 3.

[Eldan]

No cool firebreathing, though.

[Sith_Happens]

Centipede is mentioned to literally be a modified version of Extremus, which is literally what Iron Man 3 was about. So uh...yes.

Not just Extremis, it's a cocktail of everything that had ever given someone in the MCU up to that point superpowers. Extremis, imperfect super soldier serum, and gamma-irradiated cells are all explicitly mentioned.

[The New Bruceski]

That's why before we heard about the Clarvoyant I suspected Centipede was Damage Control. The guys who clean up after such things would be perfect for just grabbing stuff that looked interesting and selling it to whoever as a supersoldier smoothie.

[Palanan]

Well, that was a lot of fun, but somewhat underwhelming.

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It seems like an underdeveloped waste of a good Asgardian villainess. Lorelei has incredible power, dark motives, sinister ambitions, dangerous potential.

Aaaaannnnd...she hangs out with a biker gang and takes a road trip to Vegas.



--Really?! Yes, really. Apparently that was the best they could do on short notice.

As for the other female guest star:

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I've discovered I really, really don't like Sif. At least not as played by Jamie Alexander, who evidently missed a few classes at acting school. Walking cliche of a warrior goddess.

As for Sif herself, she's strangely reliant on feeble Midgard mortals. If she has hyperadvanced Asgardian magitech that can neutralize all of Lorelei's powers, can't she track Lorelei's phone or something? Granted, Thor couldn't find Loki that way either, but it seems a strange failing for a goddess of the martial hunt that makes tetchy comments about "antiquated systems" and so forth.

And despite her being an elite warrior of Asgard, her fighting style isn't that impressive. Maybe a little too nit-picky for a weekly TV show, but you'd think after the first thousand years she'd develop some signature moves.

However, props to Coulson:

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For walking up to Sif and telling her that no, she won't be bringing good tidings to Thor, because it's his tale to tell.

And she just lets him.

And the coldest breakup ever:

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Okay, probably not ever, but Melinda May sure has a way of putting a guy in his place. First she tells Ward that even mind-controlled by an alien goddess, he can't really touch her; and then she tells him that no, he can't really touch her. That's extra-cold.

Best moment:

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Wasn't a line, but even funnier: when Sif claims that all men have an inherent weakness.

Melinda May: No kidding.

Fitz and Ward: --What now? No really, what?!

And, rogue agent alert:

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So, Coulson is going off the rez and Getting His Answers. I wasn't quite clear on who he said he'd be going after--"The man responsible," yes, but does he mean Nick Fury, or someone else?

For that matter, why not rustle up Doctor Book again? He'd probably know more about the mysterious superdrug than anyone else, possibly including Director Fury.

And speaking of Fury, the fact that he's "off the grid" sounds like a pretty clear lead-in to Winter Soldier....

[Joran]

My favorite moment was when Coulson asks Sif if she's met aliens and she nodded. Then he asked if any of them were blue and she lists something like 6 different varieties XD

Yup, welcome to the Marvel Universe.

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So, Coulson is going off the rez and Getting His Answers. I wasn't quite clear on who he said he'd be going after--"The man responsible," yes, but does he mean Nick Fury, or someone else?

For that matter, why not rustle up Doctor Book again? He'd probably know more about the mysterious superdrug than anyone else, possibly including Director Fury.

And speaking of Fury, the fact that he's "off the grid" sounds like a pretty clear lead-in to Winter Soldier....

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Coulson said, "The man responsible for this" and he points to Skye's abdomen. "And we'll make him pay." I assumed he was referring to Quinn. Also, Doctor Book fell off the grid in the previous episode; he was the first person that Coulson tried to contact.

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So... did you think it was Odin/Odin or Loki/Odin who sent Sif to capture Lorelai... Eh? Eh?!