Will Save World For Gold. (Thread Mark III)

[Metahuman1]

Not if he knows there looking. He fails a perception check he thinks was good and then does something while there there on the other hand......

Alternatively, he does something jerkish/selfish/what-have-you that he doesn't think is gonna cause a serious problem, and then it unexpectedly comes back and bites him rather badly and things go form there.

[thereaper]

Keep in mind that Ardon is a main character, and it is therefore unlikely that he will do something that will end up creating a permanent wall between himself and the rest of the party.

[Metahuman1]

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Um, am I the only one who remembers him straight up murdering a child to get clothing right that second to go shopping?


That did happen awhile back, right? I'm not loosing my mind?

[Lord Raziere]

No, I remember as well. and technically, he already has done something like that with the competition against the elf ranger and her party which somehow didn't stick....if he was in my party, I'd be finding ways to kill him in his sleep by now.....

[The Mormegil]

Truth is, the party likes Ardon. And I guess they like him for the same reason readers do: he's competent, humorous, gets the story moving and isn't afraid of doing immoral stuff to get his way (or a good joke). The comic is set up to reward black humor: unless there's a paradigm shift to a bit of a darker setting, I don't see arson murder and jaywalking creating true problems for Ardon.

[Metahuman1]

I think Odi explained that he feels indebted to Ardon for bailing him out once or twice early on, and Elli sympathizes with Odi, Peanut's not bright enough to grasp it one way or the other (shame, I was so, so hoping to find out that he really was secretly a retired epic level badass and the most competent person in the party after all. THAT would have been hilarious and awesome!) and 45 is ALL about his own agenda's, one of which is knowing that Ardon will self destruct given enough time (and he's patient having no age limit.), and now contemplating a way to get the cash for handing him over to the Fey with out loosing the bet (I have to assume the only reason he's not worked out a party split and a cover up to make it look like Ardon's body got disintegrated while they were split by now is the bet, his pride won't let him break the term of bringing it down on Ardon with a straight up double cross.)



That said, 45 is already looking to get rid of him, and I don't think his usual is gonna be what get's him if anything. What I thought was gonna happen was that he was gonna do something arrogant/egotistical/nihilistic to the Cleric/Paladin and/or the rest of there party that intentionally or not get's them killed.

[Dragolord]

Oh… this isn't good. Come on, nightmare spirit, admit that it was you!

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Or maybe everyone was so stupid that they miscounted Ell's HP?

[Metahuman1]

4E says you have to be half your total HP into negatives, right? And Ell's a tank class that has the 2nd highest HP per level of any class and assumedly put at least some priority into Con, right? She's probably in negatives but alive.

I hope.

[SlyGuyMcFly]

Good thing 4e doesn't have Chunky Salsa rules

[Neoriceisgood]

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Um, am I the only one who remembers him straight up murdering a child to get clothing right that second to go shopping?


That did happen awhile back, right? I'm not loosing my mind?

That totally happened, Ardon's pretty much a monster.

Nobody saw him do that though.

[LoneStarNorth]

ACTUALLY that was an adult halfling Ardon killed (he had a mustache). That makes it okay!

...Right?

[Draconi Redfir]

so long as he was a nameless NPC and wasn't actually annother person's character. Then all is good

[The Glyphstone]

4E says you have to be half your total HP into negatives, right? And Ell's a tank class that has the 2nd highest HP per level of any class and assumedly put at least some priority into Con, right? She's probably in negatives but alive.

I hope.

Yeah, but aren't they like, 4th level? (not counting FortyFive) How much HP can even a Paladin have at that level?

[Neoriceisgood]

ACTUALLY that was an adult halfling Ardon killed (he had a mustache). That makes it okay!

...Right?

A mustache ...


I never noticed that.

[The Mormegil]

Yeah, but aren't they like, 4th level? (not counting FortyFive) How much HP can even a Paladin have at that level?

15 + Con score + 18. Roughly 45 on a standard build. With 64 damage you kill a 42 hp character. She's probably not dead, unless she had leftover damage or low Con.

[Metahuman1]

So yeah, likely in the negatives and rolling against death, maybe taking bleed damage or some such. But not dead.

And I never noticed the mustache. That makes it, less stupidly evil, but still pretty evil. (He straight up murdered a sentient adult instead of a sentient child for a petty reason. Slightly less bad but it's still horrible.)

[Dragolord]

Goodness. Is that a Holy Avenger? No wonder Ell wouldn't swap it.

[Draconi Redfir]

if it is then i highly suggest that they stay away from loremasters. i happen to know from experiance that they are capable of turning holy avengers into baby bunnies.

[Neoriceisgood]

Goodness. Is that a Holy Avenger? No wonder Ell wouldn't swap it.

if it is then i highly suggest that they stay away from loremasters. i happen to know from experiance that they are capable of turning holy avengers into baby bunnies.

I have very little experience with D&D aside from the basic stuff, anything I should know about what a Holy Avenger is and why it only activated for the dude?

[The Mormegil]

I have very little experience with D&D aside from the basic stuff, anything I should know about what a Holy Avenger is and why it only activated for the dude?

Big badass sword, only works for paladins. Comes in various versions depending on fluff and stuff, but that's the jist of it.

[tyckspoon]

I have very little experience with D&D aside from the basic stuff, anything I should know about what a Holy Avenger is and why it only activated for the dude?

They're basically *the* Paladin weapon - typically +5 enchantment, often Holy as well (whatever that means in a particular rules system - in 3E it would do extra damage against Evil things, in 4e.. I dunno, but I'm sure it exists somewhere), usually has a handful of other neat special abilities like dispelling magic or creating a protective aura. Only works for Paladins, and this particular weapon apparently only works for sufficiently strong Paladins.

[Dragolord]

…and this particular weapon apparently only works for sufficiently strong Paladins.

Or, possibly, when they say something cool.

But where would a level one character get it? They cost 120 thousand gp. She could have bought the city for that!

[Metahuman1]

Was random loot rolls a thing back in 4E? Maybe she just lucked out and didn't know it?

Or maybe it's cursed and that's why she couldn't use it to full power yet and that's why she could afford it?

[Draconi Redfir]

She never paid for it. she found it.

[Metahuman1]

In that case, I have three things to say.

1: Very Oda of you writer, very Oda.

2: The DM for this party is a tease.

3: Shori-yuken bitch!

[Dragolord]

She never paid for it. she found it.

Oh, thanks. But imagine Ardon' s reaction!
"Wait, your sword is worth 120 times as much as everyone else's gear put together? YOINK."

[Metahuman1]

I would pay real world money to watch Elly and Odi knock him senseless over that. XD!

[The Glyphstone]

And she got it out of a body of water bucket, to boot. Definitely in the Paladin tradition, there.

[stsasser]

And she got it out of a body of water bucket, to boot. Definitely in the Paladin tradition, there.

The body of water was the well. The bucket was of purest shimmering samite.

[The Mormegil]

Sometimes items with a history get stronger alongside the character that uses them. This is a clear example of that: as she levels up the avenger will get more powers.
It's actually a standard practice in 4E, I think it's even suggested in a DMG.