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    Malack had free will. His devotion to Nergal was because he was a lawful cleric, not because he was a vampire. Also, Nergal and Hel don't necessarily have the same goals or disposition.

    I don't know if this one is quite as essential (perhaps it could be a see also). I couldn't come up with a good summary for it, so I would appreciate your thoughts on that.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaxzan Proditor View Post
    Malack had free will. His devotion to Nergal was because he was a lawful cleric, not because he was a vampire. Also, Nergal and Hel don't necessarily have the same goals or disposition.

    I don't know if this one is quite as essential (perhaps it could be a see also). I couldn't come up with a good summary for it, so I would appreciate your thoughts on that.
    I think it's relevant, and not just for the novelty of an entry in the Index being about the Giant taking me to town on my own faulty assumptions.
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    I agree that it's relevent for exactly the reason the Giant states. A lot of people have a very set idea of what a vampire is, or what a specific type means. This sometimes leads to some preconceived notions that don't fit the story. The term "vampire" carries a lot of pop culture baggage when introduced into a story.

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    I'm in favor of including, "The Giant takes Loreweaver15 to town."
    Okay, okay, it can have a different caption if it has to.

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    We should include. The debate about it has grown to nearly 300 posts, quite a few people felt strongly about it.

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    I am in favor of including both, but this might be one of those times when we hold back a bit to see how many comments Rich makes there.

    The first, I think, gets included no matter what. It's probably the most important comment about the comic since his initial How Familicide Works one. The other might get supplanted later on as the debate continues in that thread.
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    I'm in favor of including, "The Giant takes Loreweaver15 to town."
    Okay, okay, it can have a different caption if it has to.
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    So let me see, I think that makes...four quotes so far?



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    I support including all four of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jasdoif View Post
    So let me see, I think that makes...four quotes so far?



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    The first two I support including as supporting quotes. The second two I support including as individual entries.


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    Not all details about all deities in the OOTS world have been decided on.
    Nor do they need to be.
    I'm not expressing support for or against including either of these, just posting them for others to decide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 137ben View Post
    Not all details about all deities in the OOTS world have been decided on.
    Nor do they need to be.
    I'm not expressing support for or against including either of these, just posting them for others to decide.
    I feel like the last one is really useful just as a general "I know you want more details about this, but the Giant is probably not going to give them if they're not plot-relevant" thing. No strong opinion on the first one.
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    Those two are only useful if we believe that "you're not going to get more information" is in itself informative. While technically correct, that doesn't warrant inclusion in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gwynfrid View Post
    Those two are only useful if we believe that "you're not going to get more information" is in itself informative. While technically correct, that doesn't warrant inclusion in my opinion.
    I could see a case being made that they could work well with the Not everything needs a backstory quote we already have; sort of a "Not everything has a backstory" addition. I don't find it an especially convincing reason to include them, though.
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    How many quotes do we have that at ready to be included now?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaxzan Proditor View Post
    How many quotes do we have that at ready to be included now?
    Four, still.

    Your proposal about the story role of Nergal's ex-shaman hasn't gotten any discussion one way or the other so far; and the two ones 137ben suggested after that don't seem to have gathered much support.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jasdoif View Post
    Four, still.

    Your proposal about the story role of Nergal's ex-shaman hasn't gotten any discussion one way or the other so far; and the two ones 137ben suggested after that don't seem to have gathered much support.
    Okay. Just checking to see that I didn't miss anything from this recent flood of comments.


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    The OOTS-world is intentionally a humorously-thin genericized D&D setting because OOTS is a character-focused comedic satire of the fantasy genre.

    I could have sworn we already had something along these lines (with a bit about how almost every location has a generic/descriptive name, maybe?) but a search of the index didn't turn up anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurald Galain View Post
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    Wait, so would that be meta-nerdousity or hyper-nerdousity?

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    The OOTS-world is intentionally a humorously-thin genericized D&D setting because OOTS is a character-focused comedic satire of the fantasy genre.

    I could have sworn we already had something along these lines (with a bit about how almost every location has a generic/descriptive name, maybe?) but a search of the index didn't turn up anything.
    Such a post has been made before, but I don't recall it being proposed for the Index. I think the new quote would be a better choice for the subject anyway.
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    I never use Twitter, so I'm not sure how to embed a tweet or link to one, but a tweet Rich just made eight hours ago suggests that he may consider eBooks in the future ("I'll consider it when I've finished all the Kickstarter stories").

    We should probably record that. At the moment, the Index only has a quote from Rich suggesting that he's considered eBooks and dismissed the idea. That now seems to have changed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Emanick View Post
    I never use Twitter, so I'm not sure how to embed a tweet or link to one, but a tweet Rich just made eight hours ago suggests that he may consider eBooks in the future ("I'll consider it when I've finished all the Kickstarter stories").

    We should probably record that. At the moment, the Index only has a quote from Rich suggesting that he's considered eBooks and dismissed the idea. That now seems to have changed.
    He may have just meant that he'd consider doing an eBook of the KS stories. I'm not sure.

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    I think it's too ambigious to be included, myself. The curse of 140 character limits and all that.
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    Here's the permalink to the eBooks tweet. Sounds to me like digital sales are completely off the table until the Kickstarter stories are done. On a related note, there are no plans for an OOTS omnibus right now because color printing is expensive and (reading a bit between the lines) economies of scale don't work when you print two separate editions.

    Ultimately, I think it all comes together to say that the Giant would rather have a single definitive version of each story to sell, rather than juggle supply and demand for multiple editions of the same content.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Porthos View Post
    I think it's too ambigious to be included, myself. The curse of 140 character limits and all that.
    I think it should be included, if only because the Index as currently read implies that Rich has ruled out eBooks for good. The tweet basically says, "no, they still might potentially happen in the future." To me, there's a big difference between "eBooks will never happen" and "eBooks will be 'considered' in the future," which is approximately the language Rich uses in the tweet.
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    I think these two sound useful.


    And if I'm not mistaken, that makes six ready to go up.


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    Further discussion of entries is encouraged at this point. In particular, recommendations for different alternate titles and descriptions for the quote entries are things I'd be happy to consider.

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    Hey, so, slightly related topic with regards to indexing, I've noticed that the search function using google (searching all of giantitp.com/forums/ with the last line in The Giant's sig) no longer works properly, and fails to show all of his recent posts for me this way. Does anyone know why, or is experiencing the same problem?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jajama View Post
    Hey, so, slightly related topic with regards to indexing, I've noticed that the search function using google (searching all of giantitp.com/forums/ with the last line in The Giant's sig) no longer works properly, and fails to show all of his recent posts for me this way. Does anyone know why, or is experiencing the same problem?
    Offhand, I'd guess it's because Google doesn't update its listing of forum threads here as frequently as you might be expecting it to.

    That said, the forum search was re-enabled during the forum update (which is why the Google search link was removed from the first post); you should get more accurate and timely results if you use that instead of a Google search.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jasdoif View Post
    Offhand, I'd guess it's because Google doesn't update its listing of forum threads here as frequently as you might be expecting it to.

    That said, the forum search was re-enabled during the forum update (which is why the Google search link was removed from the first post); you should get more accurate and timely results if you use that instead of a Google search.
    Or you could look at the Giant's profile and see what recent posts he's made.


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