Star Wars vs Warhammer 40k.

[LordHavelock]

Personally, I think the deciding factor is the influence of Chaos. The IoM forces are used to dealing with it, they have safeguards against it, and protocols for when those safeguards fail. I think it's always best to assume that for any versus debate that opposing types of magic should be able to affect and potentially counteract one another, which in this context I think means that any given Force Sensitive individual of the Star Wars Universe should have the potential to combat 40k Psykers (and the eldritch power of Chaos) on it's own terms.

Trouble is, the Galactic Empire has a fairly strict "No Force, No How" policy, with Force sensitivity generally being something you keep hidden, never develop, and try to hide (which in 40k is a recipe for Chaos corruption and Demonic Possession) or else selected into the highly specialized and elite branch of the Empire that actually utilizes Dark Side Adepts, who are elite, but not fully realized Force Users as Jedi or Sith (or at least, are more specialized). In the whole of the Galactic Empire you've only got Palpatine, Vader, and Mara Jade (let's say any given Emperor's Hand) who are fully equipped and capable Force Users, whereas any given IG regiment is likely to have a psyker or two in it's retinue.

That means practically the whole of the Galactic Empire's forces are vulnerable to psychic assault, manipulation, and corruption, if not by the Empire, then certainly by the Eldar or perhaps the Tyranids (how is the Empire going to hand Genestealer infiltration?) or especially the Forces of Chaos.

[Boci]

I reiterate: Practically every impressive thing from Star Wars that would allow them to operate against 40k comes from outside G-canon..

The Imperium of Man? Sure. The 40k verse? No.

[Tanuki Tales]

The Imperium of Man? Sure. The 40k verse? No.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.

I've already pointed out that all of Star Wars hard stops at Daemon Princes, since at that level and above 40k starts getting Planetbusters, Starbusters, Solar system busters and people start being FTL, along with a ton of hax, while Star Wars peaks at around Moon level with its strongest characters and its hax doesn't measure up as well.

[Boci]

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.

My point was you said "operate against 40k", and I was just clarifying you presumably meant Imperium of Man.

[LordHavelock]

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.

I've already pointed out that all of Star Wars hard stops at Daemon Princes, since at that level and above 40k starts getting Planetbusters, Starbusters, Solar system busters and people start being FTL, along with a ton of hax, while Star Wars peaks at around Moon level with its strongest characters and its hax doesn't measure up as well.

A lot of that "hax" is kind of plot specific though isn't it? My suggestion is why don't week keep this more in terms of things readily available 'in genre' or perhaps more specifically, 'in game'. If we're talking about conflict on a grand scale between the two powers without an overarching plot element and narrative, then why not use a sort of mutual gaming convention, which is to say that it's best to compare both settings in terms of how you might see them in their respective games rooted in their own lore.

I mean, it's possible to deploy a Blackstone Fortress in Battlefleet Gothic (40k's spaceship battle game) but even then they're more like set-pieces or scenario specific. Same thing with the Death Star, Palpatine's all-consuming Force Storms, etc.

Better to compare how you think they'd match up if you were to say, stat out 40k in Star Wars Saga mechanics, or crunch up what an Galactic Empire Army List would look like in 40k.

[Tiki Snakes]

The latter might even be possible with the correct FF book. I'm pretty sure there are plenty of such create-a-thing systems spread across the various supplements.

Might even be stuff already online to use, though it loops back round to being simply based on someones opinion, so while fun, I doubt it's likely to settle anything.

[LordHavelock]

The latter might even be possible with the correct FF book. I'm pretty sure there are plenty of such create-a-thing systems spread across the various supplements.

Might even be stuff already online to use, though it loops back round to being simply based on someones opinion, so while fun, I doubt it's likely to settle anything.

Games are built in mind to be balanced, and if they're truly balanced then one side is never going to win more often than another, leaving something like this debate thread in a stalemate if we actually went so far as to stat it out.

However, used as a point of reference when comparing size, scale, or trying to bring in plot-specific elements that blow away even in-universe conventions, it can be a helpful tool for informing further debate.

Take for instance, the fact that in a standard game of Warhammer, you can't count on the Emperor performing a miracle on the battlefield in order to sway the tide in your favor. Or that if you're playing Star Wars Saga, anything like the feats of Force use which sway the course of galactic events are only going to occur because that's the campaign and narrative the GM is following, it's nothing a player can actually count on doing even if they're a Jedi or a Sith. By the same token, I think it's best to leave the more "hax" elements out of play for any given debate.

That said, I just don't think the Empire is going to be able to muster the metaphysical might to combat any of the 40k factions on psychic terms. Especially not the Dark Empire if that's the one we're using.

[Tanuki Tales]

My point was you said "operate against 40k", and I was just clarifying you presumably meant Imperium of Man.

My initial insertion into this thread was to discuss the hypothetical situation concerning what good the strongest characters from the SWU would do against their "main cast" counterpart of 40k. Which was to say that they would cause havoc against anything up until Primarch level and would then be horribly, horribly destroyed by anything above Primarch level.

The terms of engagement were already well discussed and thought out concerning just bog standard troops on both sides going at one another, so I saw no reason to weigh in on any of that.

A lot of that "hax" is kind of plot specific though isn't it? My suggestion is why don't week keep this more in terms of things readily available 'in genre' or perhaps more specifically, 'in game'. If we're talking about conflict on a grand scale between the two powers without an overarching plot element and narrative, then why not use a sort of mutual gaming convention, which is to say that it's best to compare both settings in terms of how you might see them in their respective games rooted in their own lore.

I have honestly no clue what you're talking about.

I mean, it's possible to deploy a Blackstone Fortress in Battlefleet Gothic (40k's spaceship battle game) but even then they're more like set-pieces or scenario specific. Same thing with the Death Star, Palpatine's all-consuming Force Storms, etc.

The Death Star isn't really a plot device, nor are Palpatine's force storms. But it ultimately doesn't matter, since the strongest things from 40k would walk all over the strongest things from Star Wars.

Better to compare how you think they'd match up if you were to say, stat out 40k in Star Wars Saga mechanics, or crunch up what an Galactic Empire Army List would look like in 40k.

Yeah....no. Fluff > Game Mechanics. Trying to argue things from the stand points of woefully inadequate game mechanics hodgepodges leads to nowhere good in regards to versus debates, unless that was the initial premise of the debate.

[LordHavelock]

My initial insertion into this thread was to discuss the hypothetical situation concerning what good the strongest characters from the SWU would do against their "main cast" counterpart of 40k. Which was to say that they would cause havoc against anything up until Primarch level and would then be horribly, horribly destroyed by anything above Primarch level.

The terms of engagement were already well discussed and thought out concerning just bog standard troops on both sides going at one another, so I saw no reason to weigh in on any of that.



I have honestly no clue what you're talking about.



The Death Star isn't really a plot device, nor are Palpatine's force storms. But it ultimately doesn't matter, since the strongest things from 40k would walk all over the strongest things from Star Wars.



Yeah....no. Fluff > Game Mechanics. Trying to argue things from the stand points of woefully inadequate game mechanics hodgepodges leads to nowhere good in regards to versus debates, unless that was the initial premise of the debate.

I'm not suggesting a raw comparison of potential mechanics, which would of course be based only on other people's opinions of what is what mechanic. The point is that fluff has it's place in the fluffier elements of it's own genre, and since you're as likely to see a Primarch on the battlefield as you are Emperor Palpatine, it doesn't do a whole lot of good to actually compare them.

I do actually agree with your point though that the overall scale of 40k does somewhat trump Star Wars, especially at the higher tiers of the in-universe lore. But even in more standard terms, you have to wonder how even the best troops the Empire could offer would fair against a company of Gray Knights, which while not standard fare for the IoM are still more common than say, Imperial Dark Side Force Adepts who they might (and I stress 'might') be able to measure up against.

[Cheesegear]

Couple of points, I wont address anything on the Star Wars side, since that's not my wheelhouse.

40K's Imperium of Man;

Technological Stagnation; It's a fallacy. The Imperium doesn't know how its old, old stuff works. Capital starships fall into this category. However the Imperium builds a lot of escort craft and scout ships, and are redesigning them all the time. This is because scout and escort ships get destroyed. A lot. Capital ships in the Imperium don't really get destroyed, so, they don't build new ones, and they don't bother to learn new technology because they don't have to. If someone comes along and starts blowing away capital ships, the previous 'rebel Magos' who was shouting at Mars to make new starships becomes a Saint. Technology is driven by need. 40K just simply turns that idea up to 11 - like everything else. I'll also point out that capital ships of the Imperium aren't even that big.

The Phalanx and The Rock are 40K Death Stars, and both have been known to destroy entire fleets without even sweating. These are going to be roadblocks for the Empire. Only one thing has made it past the Phalanx in a straight-up fight, and that's only because Necrons can teleport, or however their FTL works.

Psykers vs. The Force; What's the biggest feat that the Force has achieved? I don't know anything about the EU, but, from what I understand it's mostly Telekinesis and occasionally some Divination. In 40K, Psykers can block Titans with TK. Basically, a Jedi needs to be able to stand in front of an AT-AT on the ground, and tear its head off, in a combat situation. Has this been done before? Because that's what Primaris Psykers have been shown to do. If these Psykers go bad (the powerful ones always do), Space Marines need to execute them, which they do. This is the threat that Space Marines go up against. Do Jedi even compare?
Can Jedi mindrape? 'Cause Psykers can, and do. With regularity.

Furthermore; Space Marines vs. Jedi.
How many Space Marines? How many Jedi? Boltguns fire 240 rpm (for reference, the FN P90 fires ~900). Now, again, I wont speak for Jedi reflexes and deflecting bullets, but, Blaster fire seems really slow in the movies. What are Blaster specs?

[Tanuki Tales]

I'm not suggesting a raw comparison of potential mechanics, which would of course be based only on other people's opinions of what is what mechanic. The point is that fluff has it's place in the fluffier elements of it's own genre, and since you're as likely to see a Primarch on the battlefield as you are Emperor Palpatine, it doesn't do a whole lot of good to actually compare them.

The point of comparing them was to show how woefully outgunned the SWU is as a verse compared to 40k. That even if they won the hypothetical battle here, they'd get mudstumped in the war.

I do actually agree with your point though that the overall scale of 40k does somewhat trump Star Wars, especially at the higher tiers of the in-universe lore. But even in more standard terms, you have to wonder how even the best troops the Empire could offer would fair against a company of Gray Knights, which while not standard fare for the IoM are still more common than say, Imperial Dark Side Force Adepts who they might (and I stress 'might') be able to measure up against.

I'd give Grey Knights the nod over anything from the Imperials. Some bog standard psykers have planetary feats. You'd need named Jedi and Sith to contend with that.

Psykers vs. The Force; What's the biggest feat that the Force has achieved? I don't know anything about the EU, but, from what I understand it's mostly Telekinesis and occasionally some Divination. In 40K, Psykers can block Titans with TK. Basically, a Jedi needs to be able to stand in front of an AT-AT on the ground, and tear its head off, in a combat situation. Has this been done before? Because that's what Primaris Psykers have been shown to do. If these Psykers go bad (the powerful ones always do), Space Marines need to execute them, which they do. This is the threat that Space Marines go up against. Do Jedi even compare?
Can Jedi mindrape? 'Cause Psykers can, and do. With regularity.

I'd need to get back to you on raw TK, but I do know that they have feats like completely destroying a continent from orbit, creating force storms capable of leveling moons, mindraping entire planets, etc.

So Star Wars big dogs can match and beat any of the below Daemon Prince psykers from 40k, but they don't get further than Primarchs.

Edit: And it's PIS if bog standard marines can take down anyone with powerful enough TK to beat a Titan, if they're fighting competently.

[LordHavelock]

Couple of points, I wont address anything on the Star Wars side, since that's not my wheelhouse.

40K's Imperium of Man;

Technological Stagnation; It's a fallacy. The Imperium doesn't know how its old, old stuff works. Capital starships fall into this category. However the Imperium builds a lot of escort craft and scout ships, and are redesigning them all the time. This is because scout and escort ships get destroyed. A lot. Capital ships in the Imperium don't really get destroyed, so, they don't build new ones, and they don't bother to learn new technology because they don't have to. If someone comes along and starts blowing away capital ships, the previous 'rebel Magos' who was shouting at Mars to make new starships becomes a Saint. Technology is driven by need. 40K just simply turns that idea up to 11 - like everything else. I'll also point out that capital ships of the Imperium aren't even that big.

Couldn't stress this point enough myself. It's not that the IoM doesn't develop technology, it's that they do so at the progress you would expect for a galaxy spanning religion, because, well . . . that's what technology is to them. Compare how long it's taken for the Catholic Church to embrace scientific theories that actually kind of support their own theology, and then turn it up to 11.
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The Phalanx and The Rock are 40K Death Stars, and both have been known to destroy entire fleets without even sweating. These are going to be roadblocks for the Empire. Only one thing has made it past the Phalanx in a straight-up fight, and that's only because Necrons can teleport, or however their FTL works.

The Death Star itself seems to be more on par with a Space Marine Battle Fortress Monastary, or even the Fortress Worlds like Cadia (of which the Imperium has many) but then, the Empire has one of those too, at least they do later in the timeline (Bastion I think it's called).

Psykers vs. The Force; What's the biggest feat that the Force has achieved? I don't know anything about the EU, but, from what I understand it's mostly Telekinesis and occasionally some Divination. In 40K, Psykers can block Titans with TK. Basically, a Jedi needs to be able to stand in front of an AT-AT on the ground, and tear its head off, in a combat situation. Has this been done before? Because that's what Primaris Psykers have been shown to do. If these Psykers go bad (the powerful ones always do), Space Marines need to execute them, which they do. This is the threat that Space Marines go up against. Do Jedi even compare?
Can Jedi mindrape? 'Cause Psykers can, and do. With regularity.

Depends on where you go in the EU, but generally speaking, no. Jedi don't develop their combat abilities as much as they could along those lines because they're a peacekeeping order, not the militant war-machine of the Imperial Psyker Corps, let alone the Gray Knights or forces of the Inquisition. And the Sith generally don't do much more than the Jedi in terms of raw battle-worthy Force feats because they tend to focus on beating the Jedi themselves, and everything else usually falls into place from there.

In terms of raw feats using the Force, Battle Meditation can be used to influence a fleet or more of Starships to tip the tide of battle, but it's more like a little-push than a guarantee, and even then, only the great heroes of the Jedi Order have every used it on such a scale. Revan apparently could alter the mentality and Force essence of a whole planet given the right opportunity and time, and while that's generally seen to be the effect of the Emperor's hand in guiding humanity from the Golden Throne (just a little touch of the holy spirit, you know?) it's not something Palpatine is ever seen to replicate, or even be aware of, being the heir and successor to Darth Bane who had very different views.

Best example I can think of, Kreia totally mindrapes folks without really trying, and Mace Windu beats an entire droid army up, on his own (without a lightsaber) but these are the legendary and mythic figures of Star Wars Lore. The average Jedi or Sith just isn't going to be able to compare, and what's worse, the Empire doesn't even have a core of Force Users to rely on in battle.

Furthermore; Space Marines vs. Jedi.
How many Space Marines? How many Jedi? Boltguns fire 240 rpm (for reference, the FN P90 fires ~900). Now, again, I wont speak for Jedi reflexes and deflecting bullets, but, Blaster fire seems really slow in the movies. What are Blaster specs?

Slightly slower than lightspeed. Not just anyone can pick up a lightsaber and block blaster bolts (though some folks in the CGI Clone Wars show do it anyway), it requires the Jedi's mix of precognitive battle senses and Force enhanced reaction speeds for any given jedi to do it, and even then, enough blaster fire will overwhelm your average Jedi (as demonstrated in Attack of the Clones). Boba & Jango Fett and other Jedi Hunter types even know tricks to place their shots so that the Jedi/Sith can't deflect or anticipate all of them.

What's more, lightsaber deflection doesn't work as well on solid slug ammunition, because the solid stuff of the slug doesn't just get burned up, but can be melted thus spattering a jedi with molten slag unless they angle their lightsaber and body right (something most Jedi don't know to do unless they've previously fought slugthrowers). Bolter rounds even go the extra step of being miniaturized shaped charges, with a variety of special ammunition all of which is designed to blow up inside of an opponent's body armor in creatively lethal ways. As a rule, Jedi do not wear armor, and it seems to me that most attempts to block bolter fire are going to result in some spectacularly gory scenes whereupon Jedi prematurely ignite bolter rounds a foot or so in front of their next-to-naked (and sometimes naked) flesh.

[Rakaydos]

Can the phalanx or Rock move at reasonable interstellar speed (IE: strategic FTL) If not, well, if we're assuming Dark Empire star wars has time to get Sovrign class SSDs into mass production, it doesnt really matter what Space Marines can do to jedi. Blowing up Mars or Terra would be out of the picture, but the Empire can kill Forgeworlds faster than the Imperium can build ships.

[The Glyphstone]

Psykers vs. The Force; What's the biggest feat that the Force has achieved? I don't know anything about the EU, but, from what I understand it's mostly Telekinesis and occasionally some Divination. In 40K, Psykers can block Titans with TK. Basically, a Jedi needs to be able to stand in front of an AT-AT on the ground, and tear its head off, in a combat situation. Has this been done before? Because that's what Primaris Psykers have been shown to do. If these Psykers go bad (the powerful ones always do), Space Marines need to execute them, which they do. This is the threat that Space Marines go up against. Do Jedi even compare?
Can Jedi mindrape? 'Cause Psykers can, and do. With regularity.

Well, The Force Unleashed's Apprentice can, apparently, pull Star Destroyers out of orbit with his TK, but that might be of dubious canonicity. There is specifically an AT-AT vs. Jedi feat though, and it's even from the Dark Empire era:
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Admittedly, Luke is not an average Jedi, but he's also not the peak of Jedi capabilities.

[LordHavelock]

Can the phalanx or Rock move at reasonable interstellar speed (IE: strategic FTL) If not, well, if we're assuming Dark Empire star wars has time to get Sovrign class SSDs into mass production, it doesnt really matter what Space Marines can do to jedi. Blowing up Mars or Terra would be out of the picture, but the Empire can kill Forgeworlds faster than the Imperium can build ships.

I submit that if the Empire is dealing with FTL in the 40k universe, then they're going to run into the same trouble as anyone else. Once again, it depends on which Star Wars author/creator/source you're dealing with, but it's not Warpspeed the way that Star Trek uses it. Here's what Wookieepedia says:

Hyperspace (called darkspace by the Yuuzhan Vong) was the alternate state of existence used by starships to achieve faster-than-light travel. It was a phenomenon not completely understood by scientists; it was alternately described as a parallel universe, an extra dimension of space, an alternate mode of physical existence, or simply the universe as viewed traveling faster than the speed of light.

To me, that sounds exactly like what The Warp is to 40k minus the ever-present threat of mind-raping daemons and less than subtle influence of the ruinous powers when you're inside The Realm of Chaos. It follows then that if the IoM is invading 40k's home turf, then there once conveniently empty realm of hyperspace travel is actually the nightmarish hell that is the Immaterium. Any Star Wars ship travelling through Hyperspace is suddenly going to have to contend with all the horrors and irregularities of Warp Travel.

This is in keeping I think, with the assumption that 40k Psychic Powers and Sorcery is just another (albeit twisted and barely recognizable) expression of the Force. This even has support in the Star Wars Lore, where backwards savage worlds utilize the Force and call it magic or sorcery, and during the Yuuzhan Vong invasion when no one can actually capture their extra-galactic version of the Force.

Admittedly, Luke is not an average Jedi, but he's also not the peak of Jedi capabilities.

Well, that's not Luke at the height of his power, during the Dark Empire saga, but I though he was by all accounts the most powerful Force User to have ever lived, ever.

[Forum Explorer]

Can the phalanx or Rock move at reasonable interstellar speed (IE: strategic FTL) If not, well, if we're assuming Dark Empire star wars has time to get Sovrign class SSDs into mass production, it doesnt really matter what Space Marines can do to jedi. Blowing up Mars or Terra would be out of the picture, but the Empire can kill Forgeworlds faster than the Imperium can build ships.

I think so, but I also think they are on a sort of 'garrison' duty. So they don't move around a lot anyways. However the Imperium certainly wins the planet killing game. Every capital ship can be equipped with exterminatus weaponry already. Which basically takes one shot to kill everything on a planet (or blow the entire planet up, depends on which weapon they put in).

On Jedi vs Inquisitors I'd give it to Inquisitors. The Jedi would win in a fight against a single (average) Inquisitor, but they pretty much always have a retinue of highly skilled and well armed troops with exotic weaponry with them. They also tend to be or have a very strong psyker with them. When it comes to investigating things, well Inquisitors blow it out of the park in comparison. If only because they have the actual authority to ignore laws, morality, and to requisition entire fleets if need be.

[Selrahc]

The Death Star itself seems to be more on par with a Space Marine Battle Fortress Monastary, or even the Fortress Worlds like Cadia (of which the Imperium has many) but then, the Empire has one of those too, at least they do later in the timeline (Bastion I think it's called).

Well, both of the things you mentioned are normally planets, rather than space craft. Not really very comparable. No matter how well fortified a planet is, it can't go and beat up other planets.

The Death Star is a cut above even Space Marine Flagships like the Rock or Phalanx. Both of those ships are powerful enough to take on entire fleets of lesser vessels, but don't carry guns strong enough to smash a planet to ribbons.

The best 40k ship to compare to the Death Star is, appropriately enough, the Planet Killer. The Chaos Flagship that can annihilate planets, or star fleets with its ridiculous armageddon gun.

[Forum Explorer]

Well, both of the things you mentioned are normally planets, rather than space craft. Not really very comparable. No matter how well fortified a planet is, it can't go and beat up other planets.

The Death Star is a cut above even Space Marine Flagships like the Rock or Phalanx. Both of those ships are powerful enough to take on entire fleets of lesser vessels, but don't carry guns strong enough to smash a planet to ribbons.

The best 40k ship to compare to the Death Star is, appropriately enough, the Planet Killer. The Chaos Flagship that can annihilate planets, or star fleets with its ridiculous armageddon gun.

They do however carry vortex torpedoes, which can blow a planet apart.

[The Glyphstone]

Well, that's not Luke at the height of his power, during the Dark Empire saga, but I though he was by all accounts the most powerful Force User to have ever lived, ever.

Not sure, I think it varies tremendously by author, and EU power creep hits in a big way with Old Republic-era characters like the Sith who force-bombed a planet. He's definitely in the upper tiers, though.

[Tanuki Tales]

Well, that's not Luke at the height of his power, during the Dark Empire saga, but I though he was by all accounts the most powerful Force User to have ever lived, ever.

That isn't really that impressive a feat to be honest when it comes to force users who are anything to write home about.

[The Glyphstone]

That isn't really that impressive a feat to be honest when it comes to force users who are anything to write home about.

Which was my point. Cheesegear asked about Jedi being able to stand in front of an AT-AT in combat and rip their heads off. I found a picture of a Jedi standing in front of an AT-AT and ripping its head off (sort of).

[LordHavelock]

Which was my point. Cheesegear asked about Jedi being able to stand in front of an AT-AT in combat and rip their heads off. I found a picture of a Jedi standing in front of an AT-AT and ripping its head off (sort of).

The point being that Luke is head and shoulders above the average Jedi even at their peak during the Old Republic, and they just don't do things like that. Luke is the exception that proves the rule.

[The Glyphstone]

The point being that Luke is head and shoulders above the average Jedi even at their peak during the Old Republic, and they just don't do things like that. Luke is the exception that proves the rule.

It seems that Tanuki disagrees.

[Tanuki Tales]

The point being that Luke is head and shoulders above the average Jedi even at their peak during the Old Republic, and they just don't do things like that. Luke is the exception that proves the rule.

No, Luke isn't. He may be heads and shoulder above average Jedi, but he's not heads and shoulders above most of the Force users you'd write home about. I'd need to know the average destructive capacity of an AT-AT to give you a good idea of the weakest Jedi or Sith who could replicate that feat, but I know plenty who could definitely replicate that feat.

[LordHavelock]

It seems that Tanuki disagrees.

I think he actually does but he thought you were disagreeing with him or trying to use that as evidence that he was wrong.

[Cheesegear]

So Star Wars big dogs can match and beat any of the below Daemon Prince psykers from 40k, but they don't get further than Primarchs.

Eh? Imperial-side Primaris Psykers > Daemon Princes. Primaris Psykers are immensely powerful, and are the first line of defense for Imperial Guard fighting Daemons. Basically, an entire Guard regiment points to one guy and says "Protect that guy and we win."

Revan apparently could alter the mentality and Force essence of a whole planet given the right opportunity and time

Any decent Psyker can do that.

Best example I can think of, Kreia totally mindrapes folks without really trying

What's the range though? Psykers can do it over stellar distances. Mindrape opposing starship Captain. Win battle.

The average Jedi or Sith just isn't going to be able to compare, and what's worse, the Empire doesn't even have a core of Force Users to rely on in battle.

Well, the average Psyker in 40K can't open planet-sized Warp portals either. But, the Imperium has numbers. The amount of average Psykers is greater, as is the amount of top-end Psykers. Primarises aren't uncommon, and planets like Mordian in 40K even have a higher birth rate of Psykers with the potential to become Primarises. Although, Mordian is definitely an exception. Planets that routinely produce Primaris Psykers should not be a thing.

Can the phalanx or Rock move at reasonable interstellar speed (IE: strategic FTL)

The Phalanx patrols the entire Solar Segmentum, which is a not inconsiderable amount of space. It moves as the speed of plot, which means it's as fast as it needs to be to get from anywhere to anywhere in under an hour. Seriously though, the Phalanx has an FTL speed of 'not slow', that's about all there is.

I assume The Rock is the same.

There is specifically an AT-AT vs. Jedi feat

Going from the picture, AT-ATs aren't as big as I thought they were. Going from a wiki I found, AT-ATs are 22m tall. Which is about the same size as a Reaver Battle Titan. The difference is that Reavers have shields and are terrifying. The other thing is that it looks like that Luke isn't being shot at.

[The Glyphstone]

He was, he bounced the blaster bolts back into the AT-AT. It sits there for a moment while its crew goes "WTF" and tries to work out Plan B, then Luke gets bored and rips it apart.

It really isn't that impressive of a feat relative to either top-end 40K or top-end Star Wars. But it is exactly what you had asked about, which I found amusing enough to go hunt it down.

[Tanuki Tales]

I think he actually does but he thought you were disagreeing with him or trying to use that as evidence that he was wrong.

No, my post was actually in response to the thread in general to the tune of "What was asked has been provided, but it's not that impressive anyways".

Eh? Imperial-side Primaris Psykers > Daemon Princes. Primaris Psykers are immensely powerful, and are the first line of defense for Imperial Guard fighting Daemons. Basically, an entire Guard regiment points to one guy and says "Protect that guy and we win."

I was referencing the Primarch Daemon Princes, sorry.

[druid91]

Couple of points, I wont address anything on the Star Wars side, since that's not my wheelhouse.

40K's Imperium of Man;

Technological Stagnation; It's a fallacy. The Imperium doesn't know how its old, old stuff works. Capital starships fall into this category. However the Imperium builds a lot of escort craft and scout ships, and are redesigning them all the time. This is because scout and escort ships get destroyed. A lot. Capital ships in the Imperium don't really get destroyed, so, they don't build new ones, and they don't bother to learn new technology because they don't have to. If someone comes along and starts blowing away capital ships, the previous 'rebel Magos' who was shouting at Mars to make new starships becomes a Saint. Technology is driven by need. 40K just simply turns that idea up to 11 - like everything else. I'll also point out that capital ships of the Imperium aren't even that big.

The Phalanx and The Rock are 40K Death Stars, and both have been known to destroy entire fleets without even sweating. These are going to be roadblocks for the Empire. Only one thing has made it past the Phalanx in a straight-up fight, and that's only because Necrons can teleport, or however their FTL works.

Psykers vs. The Force; What's the biggest feat that the Force has achieved? I don't know anything about the EU, but, from what I understand it's mostly Telekinesis and occasionally some Divination. In 40K, Psykers can block Titans with TK. Basically, a Jedi needs to be able to stand in front of an AT-AT on the ground, and tear its head off, in a combat situation. Has this been done before? Because that's what Primaris Psykers have been shown to do. If these Psykers go bad (the powerful ones always do), Space Marines need to execute them, which they do. This is the threat that Space Marines go up against. Do Jedi even compare?
Can Jedi mindrape? 'Cause Psykers can, and do. With regularity.

Furthermore; Space Marines vs. Jedi.
How many Space Marines? How many Jedi? Boltguns fire 240 rpm (for reference, the FN P90 fires ~900). Now, again, I wont speak for Jedi reflexes and deflecting bullets, but, Blaster fire seems really slow in the movies. What are Blaster specs?

Yes. To the AT-AT thing.

Courtship of Princess Leia, the Nightsisters attack a mountain stronghold with AT-AT's and stormtroopers, ignoring the rough terrain because the Nightsisters just levitate the AT-ATs over canyons and up sheer cliff faces.

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Usually one of the losing points for 40k in any given vs matchup is FTL capability, since faster than light travel for anyone (except maybe the Eldar and the Necrons) is a chancy affair and not just point-a-to-point-b like in most other sci-fi genres.

I think though, that shouldn't hold true for Star Wars. Their means of FTL utilizes an extradimensional sort of transposition, almost exactly like Warp Travel in 40k, with the rather glaring absence of nightmarish demonic consumption/oblivion. My question is whether or not that will hold true in a matchup between them?

Seems to me, if Star Wars Spacecraft start using the alternate dimension of Hyperspace whilst on the 'home turf' of the 40k Galaxy, then that's just asking for the daemons and powers of the Warp to find whatever pocket of not-space they have been using and set up shop. The subsequent smorgasbord of souls and transformation of hyperspace travel into a literal trek across hell itself should even the playing field a great deal.

Any reason why that shouldn't be the case?