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2014-04-01, 05:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Regarding the Moral State of Young Souls
This is a common misunderstanding resulting from trying to mash the 3e alignment system into the 4e alignment system. In 3e, an alignment is a quality all characters posses, and is the result of their behaviors and beliefs. In 4e, an alignment is an in-character choice; an explicit statement on the character's part that they are going to attempt to behave in a specific manner. Any character who has not explicitly decided to devote themselves to an alignment is unaligned.
Turning to OotS for examples, Belkar and Haley(before the party reunited) would probably both be unaligned in 4e. Neither of them had really made a big decision on how to behave; they just act as comes naturally to them. Contrast Roy, who went to Fighter College specifically because he wanted to protect the weak, and Redcloak, who partially defines himself by his decision to oppose the forces of Good.
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2014-04-01, 05:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Regarding the Moral State of Young Souls
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2014-04-02, 10:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Regarding the Moral State of Young Souls
Agreed. But what answer are we looking for?
- Not one from the story. We already have all of that we're going to get.
- Not one from the rules. They don't cover it.
- Not one from any other source. We're not allowed to discuss that.
The only thing I can think of left to discuss is what people have done in their own D&D world, and nobody's answering that.
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2014-04-02, 10:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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2014-04-02, 01:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Regarding the Moral State of Young Souls
"metaphysical forces which give life" == "the positive plane" in standard D&D cosmology.
Strictly speaking, it doesn't have an alignment. In practice, it is tied quite closely to good (and from recent strips it looks like Vampires (and likely other intelligent undead) are likely "always evil" after tying themselves to the negative plane). I think we should just admit it is good.
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2014-04-03, 09:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Regarding the Moral State of Young Souls
This doesn't necessarily follow. The people in the Debate Hall Where You're Always Right have a job which involves losing debates repeatedly. The very structure of the Debate Hall Where You're Always Right involves it being extremely enjoyable for one person and sucking for the other, which is why the question of who else is in it even comes in in the first place. It's fun had at somebody else's expense.
Meanwhile, everyone going to the Tavern of Infinite One Night Stands is going for the same thing. The enjoyment doesn't come at anyone's expense, as it's a cooperative venture between two people to advance both of them. Thus, there's no problem.I would really like to see a game made by Obryn, Kurald Galain, and Knaight from these forums.
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2014-04-03, 09:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Regarding the Moral State of Young Souls
I figured that the people at the Debate Hall Where You're Always Right were either artificial constructs created specifically to lose arguments or people who had advanced far enough up the mountain that they were willing to lose arguments on purpose to aid the progress of practitioners who aren't as far along as they are. Same with the Tavern of Infinite One-Night Stands, what if there's a Lawful Good person with such a repellent personality that they can't get any, even in Heaven? You'd need some 'house prospects' to make sure it's Heaven for everyone there.
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2014-04-03, 11:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Regarding the Moral State of Young Souls
If the being that has the job of being the always-loser is not another regular soul, but one of the divine beings of the plane, that being could easily be one that positively enjoys always losing debates, either because as a being of pure law and goodness it sees the fulfillment of its duty/job (ie to lose) to be maximally satisfying, or its psychology is such that it simply enjoys intense intellectual discussion regardless of who "wins".
Basically, always losing at a debate sucks of humans and those with human psychology. But there is no reason why Celestia needs to employ such beings for that job.
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2014-04-05, 11:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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2014-04-05, 11:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Regarding the Moral State of Young Souls
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Latias, Groudon, Rayquaza, Kyogre promised to JustPlayItLoud for a shiny Gastly, Gulpin, Frogadier, and Dedenne. Regirock, Regice, Registeel up for grabs.
Spoiler: Living Shinydex Progress 31/718 Newest Shiny: BunearyGen I: 9/151
Gen II: 6/100
Gen III: 7/135
Gen IV: 3/107
Gen V: 3/156
Gen VI: 2/69
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2014-04-06, 12:02 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Regarding the Moral State of Young Souls
Although it does raise the point that Heaven would also need something like lg-harmony for all the Lawful Good souls who'd rather have relationships than casual flings.
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2014-04-06, 02:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Regarding the Moral State of Young Souls
The most likely scenario in the Tavern of Infinite One Night Stands is that a group of Archons and Devas are assigned to work as matchmakers or "wingmen" (or "wingwomen"), helping the Petitioners meet someone they're interested in hooking up with for a one-night stand. The Devas and Celestials probably can keep track of which Petitioner has hooked up with who, other Devas and Archons serve drinks, they hire Lawful Good Factotums from the Society of Sensation to play music and they order food from the Kosher Sushi place in Sigil's Lady's Ward. That way they ensure everyone has a good time.
The guys at the Debate Hall Where You're Always Right are Outsiders created by the essence of the first layer of Mt. Celestia. If anyone is interested in a real debate, some Lawful Good Factotums from the Fraternity of Order are invited over, and asked not to discover loopholes in the fabric of reality.
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2014-04-06, 02:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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2014-04-06, 09:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Regarding the Moral State of Young Souls
I would really like to see a game made by Obryn, Kurald Galain, and Knaight from these forums.
I'm not joking one bit. I would buy the hell out of that. -- ChubbyRain
Current Design Project: Legacy, a game of masters and apprentices for two players and a GM.
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2014-04-07, 09:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Regarding the Moral State of Young Souls
For evidence, I point to the fact that Grindr exists. For those that don't know, Grindr is a smartphone app that allows homosexual and bisexual men to find casual sexual encounter. But there is no similar app for homosexual or bisexual women, and there's a tremendous gender gap in straight hookup apps in which men are over-represented.
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2014-04-07, 10:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Regarding the Moral State of Young Souls
Aside from letting people know there's a gap in the market for same-sex female hookup apps, I find it difficult to imagine this conversation anywhere positive.
So, back to the services provided in Lawful Good heaven. Since there's a Dungeon of Monsters That Are Just Strong Enough to Really Challenge You, I presume that Lawful Good heaven does have some way of providing services that don't come from celestials or fellow Lawful Good souls. If they can import or create monsters to fill a dungeon, they could do the same thing to create People Who Will Lose Arguments To You or People Who Want To Hit That, That Being You and Hit Being Sex.Last edited by oppyu; 2014-04-07 at 10:58 AM.
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2014-04-07, 11:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Regarding the Moral State of Young Souls
A large representation of men to women does not necessarily mean anything. For example, Ashley Madison reports that it's member base is mostly male (by flat numbers), but female users are those who use it for the longer lengths of time and sink more money into it.
And that's all I say and I'm more or less done. I agree this conversation won't go anywhere positive most likely.
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2014-04-07, 12:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Regarding the Moral State of Young Souls
If we're going to play with common stereotypes, we have to process the entire stereotype. Let's stipulate the probability that far more men do that. But does it follow that more men who will eventually get into a Lawful Good heaven do that?
The stereotype of a male pickup artist in a bar is not Lawful Good; he's more Neutral Sleazy.
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2014-04-07, 03:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Regarding the Moral State of Young Souls
Back to the actual topic!
I always thought that they have a projection on whether the kid will turn out to be good or evil. After all, they have unlimited "Deva" Power in Celestia. Furthermore, a projection chart was used to determine Belkar's Projected Evilness, it stands to reason that the Deva's took Baby Eric's most possible future prospect, and based his final resting place upon it! Furthermore, as a child/toddler, it's not as though he is going to mess up the whole of celestia.When people told you that you were dumb, they were being nice.