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    Socialite
    ‘I don’t know any elves called Primrose…’ – An orc named Primrose.

    Background: Socialites are the ultimate con-artists, many of them getting through life with some form of high speed shell game. Manipulating others is an art to them, whether with magic or simple with words, and they are the greatest practitioners there are.
    Races: Gnomes make excellent Socialites, as do less morally inclined elves. Crystallines find that their natural talents blend perfectly with the class. Obviously, as with the vast majority of classes, humans are by far the most common, simply for numbers. Apart from them, races that are less accepted by society, or that dislike elements of their own nature, might take this path purely to escape those traits. Socialites are uncommon to some extent amongst more martial races, such as orcs and hobgoblins, but on the other hand, who else would desire to be a different race than a cunning orc?
    Other Classes: Rogues and Socialites make excellent teams, while few Paladins condone their actions. Beguilers share a lot in common with them, while many wizards would scoff at their limited repertoire.
    Role: A Socialite is a party face, but their spells and abilities should allow them a vague amount of combat ability.
    Socialites in the World: Socialites belong in urban situations. Whether the dirty urchin taking everyone for all they have with a game of poker, or the recently appeared noblewoman who steals ancient jewels, they’re rarely good news.
    Inspiration: The class came from the Second Form and Formshift abilities

    Alignment: Any, but with a strong tendency against law, and a slight tendency against good.
    Hit Die: d6
    Starting Gold: 6d6x10 (210gp)
    Starting Age: As Rogue
    Class Skills-The Socialite’s class skills (and the key ability for each skill) are Appraise (Int), Balance (Dex), Bluff (Cha), Climb (Str), Craft (Int), Diplomacy (Cha), Disguise (Cha), Escape Artist (Dex), Forgery (Int), Gather Information (Cha), Hide (Dex), Intimidate (Cha), Jump (Str), Knowledge (local) (Int), Listen (Wis), Move Silently (Dex), Open Lock (Dex), Perform (Cha), Profession (Wis), Search (Int), Sense Motive (Wis), Sleight of Hand (Dex), Spot (Wis), Swim (Str), Tumble (Dex), Use Magic Device (Cha), and Use Rope (Dex).
    Skill Points at 1st level: (6 + Int Modifier) x4
    Skill Points per Level: 6 + Int Modifier

    Level Base Attack Bonus Fort Save Ref Save Will Save Special 0th 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th 8th 9th
    1st
    +0
    +0
    +0
    +2
    Armoured Mage, Second Form 5 3
    2nd
    +1
    +0
    +0
    +3
    Honeyed Words and Silver Tongue 6 4
    3rd
    +2
    +1
    +1
    +3
    Advanced Learning 6 5
    4th
    +3
    +1
    +1
    +4
    Third Form 6 6 3
    5th
    +3
    +1
    +1
    +4
    Just a Touch 6 6 4
    6th
    +4
    +2
    +2
    +5
    Advanced Learning 6 6 5 3
    7th
    +5
    +2
    +2
    +5
    Fourth Form 6 6 6 4
    8th
    +6/+1
    +2
    +2
    +6
    Inspired Disguise (2nd) 6 6 6 5 3
    9th
    +6/+1
    +3
    +3
    +6
    Advanced Learning 6 6 6 6 4
    10th
    +7/+2
    +3
    +3
    +7
    Formshift 2/day 6 6 6 6 5 3
    11th
    +8/+3
    +3
    +3
    +7
    Eye Contact 6 6 6 6 6 4
    12th
    +9/+4
    +4
    +4
    +8
    Advanced Learning 6 6 6 6 6 5 3
    13th
    +9/+4
    +4
    +4
    +8
    Formshift 3/day 6 6 6 6 6 6 4
    14th
    +10/+5
    +4
    +4
    +9
    Inspired Disguise (4th) 6 6 6 6 6 6 5 3
    15th
    +11/+6/+1
    +5
    +5
    +9
    Advanced Learning 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 4
    16th
    +12/+7/+2
    +5
    +5
    +10
    Formshift 4/day 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 5 3
    17th
    +12/+7/+2
    +5
    +5
    +10
    Trust No-one 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 4
    18th
    +13/+8/+3
    +6
    +6
    +11
    Advanced Learning 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 5 3
    19th
    +14/+9/+4
    +6
    +6
    +11
    Formshift 5/day 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 4
    20th
    +15/+10/+5
    +6
    +6
    +12
    Inspired Disguise (6th) 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 5

    Weapon and Armour Proficiency: A Socialite is proficient with all simple and martial weapons, as well as light armour.

    Spellcasting: A Socialite casts spontaneous Arcane spells which are drawn from the Socialite spell list. She may cast any spell she knows without preparing it ahead of time, like a wizard or cleric must. When a Socialite gains access to a new level of spells, she automatically knows all Socialite spells of that level. Essentially, her spells list is the same as her spells known list. The Socialite can also add spells to her list via the Advanced Learning class feature.

    A 1st level Socialite chooses either Intelligence or Charisma as their Casting stat. To cast a spell, they must have a Casting Ability score of 10+the spells level.
    Any DC for a spell they cast is equal to 10+the spells level+their Casting modifier.
    The Socialite can recieve bonus spells per day for a high Casting score.

    Armoured Mage (Ex): Socialites often try to hide the fact that they cast magic at all, and can find themselves in desperate situations. They can cast Socialite spells regardless of ACF from light armour. Greater armour is unaffected.

    Other spells cast by the character are affected only if of equal or lesser level to the highest level Socialite spell the Socialite can cast.

    Second Form (Su): A Socialite always has a disguise ready. Their signature ability, they create a new persona. This persona shares all their traits and ability, but can differ in appearance, height, gender, and even race. The persona’s race cannot have a higher LA than the Socialite’s, and must be one available to PCs, although its type is irrelevant. Adopting a different form requires a move action, and replaces all physical racial traits of their current race with that of the chosen form. Physical racial traits vary, but always include bonuses and penalties to physical skills and ability scores, usually include bonuses to spot and listen, usually include immunities, but rarely include social or mental skill bonuses. A trait is not changed if it is mental or cultural.

    Honeyed Words and Silver Tongue (Ex): A Socialite of second level is a master of manipulation. They gain a +2 competence bonus on all bluff, diplomacy, gather information, and intimidate checks. At 4th level, and every 4 levels thereafter, this bonus increases by 1.

    Advanced Learning: While Socialites are masters of disguise, transformation, and persuasion, everyone has their idiosyncrasies. At third level, and each third level thereafter, a Socialite chooses a single sorcerer/wizard spell, of level no higher than the higher level spell the Socialite can currently cast, and adds it to their spells known.

    Third/Fourth Form (Su): When one begins to be infamous, it’s best to have a disguise. When the disguise gets infamous, you have an issue.

    A fourth level Socialite creates a second persona, exactly as in Second Form, except that the form’s LA can be one point higher than their own. At 7th level, they create a third persona, with LA up to two points higher. At 13th level, 19th level, and each sixth level thereafter, they create a new persona, maximum LA increasing by one each time.

    Just a Touch: A Socialite often casts spells without wanting them to be obvious as spells. Starting at fifth level, they may apply the Silent Spell metamagic feat to any spell they cast, without an increase in spell level or casting time.

    Inspired Disguise: An eighth level Socialite has discovered that as her disguises become more impressive, she needs to be able to prove her point. Choose a single spell, maneuver, psionic power, or similar ability of no higher than 2nd level for each of your forms. You may use that ability once per encounter while using that form. A form must meet prerequisites this way, but always has the relevant level (caster/manifester/initiator) equal to the Socialites class level. The relevant ability is the Socialite’s casting ability.
    At fourteenth level, they choose another ability, of up to 4th level, and another at twentieth of up to 6th level. Every sixth level thereafter, they may choose another ability, adding one to the maximum level available each time.

    Formshift (Su): A tenth level Socialite has vastly improved their ability to change shape, and no longer has but a handful of shapes. While their personal identities remain the best, they can adopt any shape they need.

    Two times per day, as a standard action, the Socialite may adopt any humanoid or monstrous humanoid shape with LA no higher than that she could choose for her most recent extra form. The form they choose is locked in for the rest of the day – they may change to and from that shape repeatedly, taking a standard action each time. The limit/day in the table is the number of unique forms they may take.

    At fourteenth level, the Socialite may adopt Construct, Fey and Giant forms with the same rules, as long as they appear vaguely humanoid. The DM is the final arbiter as to whether a creature is a valid target – a pixie, warforged or centaur is an intended option, while a spider shaped assault-mechanoid is clearly not.

    At eighteenth level, the Socialite may adopt a form of any type, as long as they appear vaguely humanoid.

    If a creature does not have a given LA, it is not intended for PC use, and is an invalid target of this ability without explicit DM permission.

    Eye Contact: By eleventh level, a Socialite doesn’t need to move to persuade their foes. They may apply the Still Spell metamagic feat to any spell they cast, without an increase in spell level or casting time.

    Trust No-One (Sp): A seventeenth level Socialite is a master manipulator. With but a few words, he can turn friends against another.

    As a full round action, he forces two foes with whom he can communicate to take a will save, with DC 10+1/2 class level+casting modifier. Each one who fails is convinced that the other has committed the most grave of treachery. In combat, this almost always leads to them trying to kill one another, though they may be more reasonable when their blood is not up. This is a language-dependent, mind affecting ability, and can be used once per encounter. This may be used once per day per point of the Socialite's casting modifier.

    Feats
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    Instinctive Manipulation
    Prerequisites: About to take or have already taken at least one level of Socialite.
    Benefit: All class features and spells normally based on Intelligence or Charisma are instead based on Wisdom.
    Normal: You need smarts or charisma to deceive people.

    Specialised Forms
    Prerequisites: Inspired Disguise class feature.
    Benefit: For each additional form you possess, choose a feat that form qualifies for. You are treated as possessing that feat for all purposes (and use it), but only while in that form. Each feat must be of a different kind (General, Psionic/Metapsionic, Metamagic, Crafting)
    Normal: Your master warrior form is flimsy under close examination, due to not being able to wield a sword.


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    Detect Magic, Read Magic, Daze, Dancing Lights, Flare, Light, Ghost Sound, Mage Hand, Message, Open/Close, Mending, Prestidigitation, Amanuensis, Silent Portal, Stick


    Level 1
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    Mage Armor, Charm Person, Hypnotism, Sleep, Disguise Self, Ventriloquism, Magic Aura, Feather Fall, Magic Weapon, Jump, Distract, Dead End, Net of Shadows, Cheat, Cutting Hand, Greater Mage Hand, Command


    Level 2
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    Daze Monster, Invisibility, Misdirection, Phantom Trap, Alter Self, Bear’s Endurance, Bull’s Strength, Cat’s Grace, Eagle’s Splendour, Fox’s Cunning, Owl’s Wisdom, Rope Trick, Whispering Wind, Entice Gift, Rebuke, Reflective Disguise, Extend Tentacles, Enthrall


    Level 3
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    Nondetection, Tongues, Deep Slumber, Hold Person, Suggestion, Invisibility Sphere, Blink, Fly, Gaseous Form, Keen Edge, Greater Magic Weapon, Shrink Item, Mesmerizing Glare


    Level 4
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    Charm Monster, Confusion, Crushing Despair, Hallucinatory Terrain, Illusory Wall, Greater Invisibility, Flight of the Dragon, Greater Rebuke, Good Hope


    Level 5
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    Dominate Person, Hold Monster, Overland Flight, Sending, Shadow Form, Greater Blink, Mass Fly, Greater Command, Black Tentacles


    Level 6
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    Mass Suggestion, Mislead, Shadow Walk, Veil, Mass Bear’s Endurance, Mass Bull’s Strength, Mass Cat’s Grace, Mass Eagle’s Splendour, Mass Fox’s Cunning, Mass Owl’s Wisdom, Transformation, Mass Reflective Disguise, Stone Body


    Level 7
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    Insanity, Mass Invisibility, Simulacrum, Statue, Hiss of Sleep, Transfix, Body of War


    Level 8
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    Mass Charm Monster, Demand, Scintillating Pattern, Iron Body, Maddening Whispers, Shifting Paths, Superior Invisibility, True Domination


    Level 9
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    Dominate Monster, Mass Hold Monster, Shapechange, Time Stop, Programmed Amnesia, Monstrous Thrall


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    I suppose I'll drop in with some wording suggestions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lix Lorn View Post
    Weapon and Armour Proficiency: All simple and martial weapons and light armour.
    Shouldn't this follow the classic phrasing of "An X is proficient with Y weapons and Z armor"?


    Spellcasting: A Socialite casts spontaneous Arcane spells which are drawn from the Socialite spell list. She may cast any spell she knows without preparing it ahead of time, like a wizard or cleric must. When a Socialite gains access to a new level of spells, she automatically knows all Socialite spells of that level. Essentially, her spells list is the same as her spells known list. The Socialite can also add spells to her list via the Advanced Learning class feature.

    A 1st level Socialite chooses either Intelligence or Charisma as their Casting stat. To cast a spell, they must have a Casting Ability score of 10+the spells level.
    Any DC for a spell they cast is equal to 10+the spells level+their Casting modifier.
    The Socialite can recieve bonus spells per day for a high Casting score.

    Armoured Mage (Ex): Socialites often try to hide the fact that they cast magic at all, and can find themselves in desperate situations. They can cast Socialite spells regardless of ACF from light armour. Greater armour is unaffected.

    Other spells cast by the character are affected only if of equal or lesser level to the highest level Socialite spell the Socialite can cast.
    Fixed list caster. Seems reasonable.

    Second Form (Su): A Socialite always has a disguise ready. Their signature ability, they create a new persona. This persona shares all their traits and ability, but can differ in appearance, height, gender, and even race. The persona’s race cannot have a higher LA than the Socialite’s. Adopting a different form requires a move action, and replaces all physical racial traits of their current race with that of the chosen form.
    For these purposes, what's a physical racial trait? Does a Dwarf's bonus on saves against magic count? An Elf's sleep immunity and enchantment resistance? Does this include ability scores adjustments?

    In fact, is this restricted to same-type? Could a Human become a Warforged? Or vice-versa? What about into Killorin?


    Honeyed Words and Silver Tongue (Ex): A Socialite of second level is a master of manipulation. They gain a competence bonus equal to 2+1/4 of their class level on bluff, diplomacy, gather information and intimidate checks.
    This could be phrased smoother.

    "They gain a +2 competence bonus on all bluff, diplomacy, gather information, and intimidate checks. At 4th level, and every 4 levels thereafter, this bonus increases by 1." Works better.

    Advanced Learning: While Socialites are masters of disguise, transformation, and persuasion, everyone has their idiosyncrasies. At third level, and each third level thereafter, a Socialite chooses a single sorcerer/wizard spell, of level no higher than the higher level spell the Socialite can currently cast, and adds it to their spells known.
    No restrictions on the schools?

    Third/Fourth Form (Su): When one begins to be infamous, it’s best to have a disguise. When the disguise gets infamous, you have an issue.

    A fourth level Socialite creates a second persona, exactly as in Second Form, except that the form’s LA can be one point higher than their own. At 7th level, they create a third persona, with LA up to two points higher. At 13th level, 19th level, and each sixth level thereafter, they create a new persona, maximum LA increasing by one each time.
    Same question as on Second form. Type restrictions?

    If you DO restrict it to same-type, may I suggest allowing some of the LA be used to adopt a different type? Perhaps 1 level of it?


    Just a Touch: A Socialite often casts spells without wanting them to be obvious as spells. Starting at fifth level, they may apply the Silent Spell metamagic feat to any spell they cast, without an increase in spell level or casting time.

    Inspired Disguise: An eighth level Socialite has discovered that as her disguises become more impressive, she needs to be able to prove her point. Choose a single spell, maneuver, psionic power, or similar ability of no higher than 2nd level for each of your forms. You may use that ability once per encounter while using that form. A form must meet prerequisites this way, but always has the relevant level (caster/manifester/initiator) equal to the Socialites class level. The relevant ability is the Socialite’s casting ability.
    At 14th level, they choose another ability, of up to 4th level, and another at 20th of up to 6th level. Every sixth level thereafter, they may choose another ability, adding 1 to the maximum level available each time.
    Minor edits in bold to make things flow smoother.

    Formshift (Su): A tenth level Socialite has vastly improved their ability to change shape, and no longer has but a handful of shapes. While their personal identities remain the best, they can adopt any shape they need.

    Four times per day, as a standard action, the Socialite may adopt any humanoid or monstrous humanoid shape with LA no higher than that she could choose for her most recent extra form. The form they choose is locked in for the rest of the day – they may change to and from that shape repeatedly, taking a standard action each time. The limit/day in the table is the number of unique forms they may take.

    At fourteenth level, the Socialite may adopt Construct, Fey and Giant forms with the same rules, as long as they appear vaguely humanoid. The DM is the final arbiter as to whether a creature is a valid target – a pixie, warforged or centaur is an intended option, while a spider shaped assault-mechanoid is clearly not.

    At eighteenth level, the Socialite may adopt a form of any type, as long as they appear vaguely humanoid.

    If a creature does not have a given LA, it is not intended for PC use, and is an invalid target of this ability with explicit DM permission.
    Ahhhhh... There we go. That's more what I wanted answered. I'd suggest lowering the limit/day, since you're getting a bunch of odd racial features from Second Form and its expansion.


    Eye Contact: By eleventh level, a Socialite doesn’t need to move to persuade their foes. They may apply the Still Spell metamagic feat to any spell they cast, without an increase in spell level or casting time.
    Same edit as to the first one.

    Trust No-One (Sp): A seventeenth level Socialite is a master manipulator. With but a few words, he can turn friends against another.

    As a full round action, he forces two foes with whom he can communicate to take a will save, with DC 10+1/2 class level+casting modifier. Each one who fails is convinced that the other has committed the most grave of treachery. In combat, this almost always leads to them trying to kill one another, though they may be more reasonable when their blood is not up. This is a language-dependent, mind affecting ability, and can be used once per encounter. This may be used once per day per point of the Socialite's casting modifier.
    And a few slight edits. For a capstone or nigh-capstone, this isn't that good, to be honest.



    Feats
    Instinctive Manipulation
    Prerequisites: About to take or have already taken at least one level of Socialite.
    Benefit: All class features and spells normally based on Intelligence or Charisma are instead based on Wisdom.
    Normal: You need smarts or charisma to deceive people.
    Reasonable.

    Specialised Forms
    Prerequisites: Inspired Disguise class feature.
    Benefit: For each additional form you possess, choose a feat that form qualifies for. You are treated as possessing that feat for all purposes (and use it), but only while in that form.
    Normal: Your master warrior form is flimsy under close examination, due to not being able to wield a sword.
    But THIS? WAY more powerful than it needs to be.

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    Detect Magic, Read Magic, Daze, Dancing Lights, Flare, Light, Ghost Sound, Mage Hand, Message, Open/Close, Mending, Prestidigitation, Amanuensis, Silent Portal, Stick


    Level 1
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    Mage Armor, Charm Person, Hypnotism, Sleep, Floating Disk, Disguise Self, Ventriloquism, Magic Aura, Enlarge Person, Feather Fall, Magic Weapon, Reduce Person, Jump, Distract, Distract Assailant, Inhibit, Dead End, Net of Shadows, Accelerated Movement, Cheat, Cutting Hand, Fist of Stone, Greater Mage Hand, Command, Mighty Wallop (RotD)


    Level 2
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    Daze Monster, Hideous Laughter, Touch of Idiocy, Blue, Invisibility, Hypnotic Pattern, Magic Mouth, Misdirection, Phantom Trap, Alter Self, Bear’s Endurance, Bull’s Strength, Cat’s Grace, Darkvision, Eagle’s Splendour, Fox’s Cunning, Owl’s Wisdom, Rope Trick, Spider Climb, Whispering Wind, Entice Gift, Mindless Rage, Rebuke, Reflective Disguise, Fearsome Grapple, Extend Tentacles, Mountain Stance, Enthrall


    Level 3
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    Dispel Magic, Nondetection, Tongues, Deep Slumber, Heroism, Hold Person, Rage, Suggestion, Displacement, Invisibility Sphere, Blink, Fly, Gaseous Form, Haste, Keen Edge, Greater Magic Weapon, Slow, Shrink Item, Water Breathing, Mesmerizing Glare, Miser’s Envy, Air Breathing, Amorphous Form, False Gravity, Greater Mighty Wallop


    Level 4
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    Arcane Eye, Charm Monster, Confusion, Crushing Despair, Lesser Geas, Hallucinatory Terrain, Illusory Wall, Greater Invisibility, Rainbow Pattern, Mass Enlarge Person, Polymorph (Only if fixed to not be hella OP), Mass Reduce Person, Mass Darkvision, Flight of the Dragon, Greater Rebuke, Good Hope


    Level 5
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    Dominate Person, Feeblemind, Hold Monster, Mind Fog, Animal Growth, Baleful Polymorph, Overland Flight, Permanency, Sending, Shout, Shadow Form, Greater Blink, Draconic Polymorph (If Fixed), Greater Enlarge Person, Mass Fly, Greater Command, Black Tentacles


    Level 6
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    Legend Lore, Geas/Quest, Greater Heroism, Mass Suggestion, Mislead, Shadow Walk, Veil, Mass Bear’s Endurance, Mass Bull’s Strength, Mass Cat’s Grace, Mass Eagle’s Splendour, Mass Fox’s Cunning, Mass Owl’s Wisdom, Transformation, Mass Reflective Disguise, Stone Body,


    Level 7
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    Mage’s Magnificent Mansion, Mass Hold Person, Insanity, Mass Invisibility, Simulacrum, Ethereal Jaunt, Statue, Hiss of Sleep, Final Rebuke, Transfix, Body of War,


    Level 8
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    Antipathy, Mass Charm Monster, Demand, Irresistable Dance, Sympathy, Scintillating Pattern, Screen, Iron Body, Polymorph Any Object (If Polymorph is fixed), Maddening Whispers, Shifting Paths, Superior Invisibility, True Domination


    Level 9
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    Dominate Monster, Mass Hold Monster, Etherealness, Shapechange, Time Stop, Programmed Amnesia, Replicate Casting, Monstrous Thrall


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    Con Artist: The class.
    My gut is saying that the class has too big of a spell list. I'd aim for 10-14 spells of a level for the first three-four levels, and then filter it down to about 5-6 for seventh through ninth levels of spells.

    Par it down to the stuff you think fits best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The-Mage-King View Post
    I suppose I'll drop in with some wording suggestions.
    And I'll mutter passive aggressively while secretly being super grateful!

    Shouldn't this follow the classic phrasing of "An X is proficient with Y weapons and Z armor"?
    (mutters, fixes)

    For these purposes, what's a physical racial trait? Does a Dwarf's bonus on saves against magic count? An Elf's sleep immunity and enchantment resistance? Does this include ability scores adjustments?
    All of those things count, yes. Things that wouldn't count would be a bonus to profession or knowledge, a weapon familiarity trait, a language...

    In fact, is this restricted to same-type? Could a Human become a Warforged? Or vice-versa? What about into Killorin?
    It is not!

    This could be phrased smoother.

    "They gain a +2 competence bonus on all bluff, diplomacy, gather information, and intimidate checks. At 4th level, and every 4 levels thereafter, this bonus increases by 1." Works better.
    Sure.

    No restrictions on the schools?
    Indeed not. If you REALLY want to be a sneaky manipulator who knows fireball, all power to you. Go for it.

    Ahhhhh... There we go. That's more what I wanted answered. I'd suggest lowering the limit/day, since you're getting a bunch of odd racial features from Second Form and its expansion.
    Fair. I put it at four before thinking of making it 'unique' forms per day.

    And a few slight edits. For a capstone or nigh-capstone, this isn't that good, to be honest.
    True. The real capstones are the 9th level spells and access to Formshifting into any type.

    But THIS? WAY more powerful than it needs to be.
    I dunno. You need some way to enhance each form, but I didn't want to overcrowd the class feature.

    My gut is saying that the class has too big of a spell list. I'd aim for 10-14 spells of a level for the first three-four levels, and then filter it down to about 5-6 for seventh through ninth levels of spells.

    Par it down to the stuff you think fits best.
    This is fair.
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    I admit, I was confused that your class has no Will save or Reflex save progression. Then again, I posted the Tormented Soul, who has no Will save progression, but unlike you, mine was intentional.

    Your phrasing of the forms ability makes me suspicious that you may have written this class after playing Assassin's Creed Liberation.

    That said, Second Form is a level 1 ability that is strictly better than the Alternate Form supernatural ability, which is a problem. Make it a standard action to change form. This is level one, every has to deal with the action economy except initiators.

    Honeyed Words should probably also grant a bonus to Disguise checks made to stay in character.

    Just a Touch needs to specify whether or not the Socialite needs to actually have the Silent Spell feat to use it, or if she gains it as a bonus feat or something.

    The Specialized Form feat is indeed too strong to be a feat on its own, especially with such low prerequisites. I would say make it a feat chain, perhaps first it gives a skill bonus to each form, then improved senses (darkvision, low light, scent, tremorsense, etc) and finally a third feat that gives you a bunch of feats, with like ECL 15 as a prereq.
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    And I'll mutter passive aggressively while secretly being super grateful!
    Just like old times, then?

    It is not!
    This... Feels iffy to me. My gut says "Go with same-type only", but there probably aren't that many for Constructs/Fey, are there?


    Indeed not. If you REALLY want to be a sneaky manipulator who knows fireball, all power to you. Go for it.
    Less that, more "Sneaky manipulator who knows Solid Fog", and the like. Restricting it to Illusion/Transmutation reinforces the fluff more than an unrestricted selection.

    Fair. I put it at four before thinking of making it 'unique' forms per day.
    Yeah, 4/day is reasonable, for unique forms.

    I dunno. You need some way to enhance each form, but I didn't want to overcrowd the class feature.
    You're thinking fluffy. I'm thinking "Oh, for one feat, I can get a total of X various metamagic/item creation feats, all with only a move action? Sign me up!". Seraphi's suggestion works better, IMO.
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    I admit, I was confused that your class has no Will save or Reflex save progression. Then again, I posted the Tormented Soul, who has no Will save progression, but unlike you, mine was intentional.
    ...fail. DXD

    Your phrasing of the forms ability makes me suspicious that you may have written this class after playing Assassin's Creed Liberation.
    I'm afraid my only knowledge of Assassin's Creed comes from Tobuscus trailers.

    That said, Second Form is a level 1 ability that is strictly better than the Alternate Form supernatural ability, which is a problem. Make it a standard action to change form. This is level one, every has to deal with the action economy except initiators.
    I'm not sure why comparing a class feature to a special ability even matters. So what if it's better?
    (shrugs, changes it cause it's probably too strong, but still objects to the reasoning. :P)

    Honeyed Words should probably also grant a bonus to Disguise checks made to stay in character.
    Fair!

    Just a Touch needs to specify whether or not the Socialite needs to actually have the Silent Spell feat to use it, or if she gains it as a bonus feat or something.
    Whoops, bonus.

    The Specialized Form feat is indeed too strong to be a feat on its own, especially with such low prerequisites. I would say make it a feat chain, perhaps first it gives a skill bonus to each form, then improved senses (darkvision, low light, scent, tremorsense, etc) and finally a third feat that gives you a bunch of feats, with like ECL 15 as a prereq.
    Ehhhhhh. (Why would improved senses be needed?) If i took the feat away, I'd probably just give it as a base class feature at tenth or so. It just feels necessary.

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    Just like old times, then?
    Basically.

    This... Feels iffy to me. My gut says "Go with same-type only", but there probably aren't that many for Constructs/Fey, are there?
    Well, it's already limited by LA. (shrug)

    Less that, more "Sneaky manipulator who knows Solid Fog", and the like. Restricting it to Illusion/Transmutation reinforces the fluff more than an unrestricted selection.
    There is essentially 0% chance of my changing my mind on this one. I really, really dislike Advanced Learning that only gets spells that could have been on the spell list to start with. If there's a spell that would work REALLY WELL for them, then that's a good reason for them to take it. If there's a spell that is SUPER BROKEN, that's a problem with the spell, not the class.
    (Anyone who takes Wish, OTOH, should be hit with the largest available book)

    Yeah, 4/day is reasonable, for unique forms.
    (shrug) I lowered it anyway xD

    You're thinking fluffy. I'm thinking "Oh, for one feat, I can get a total of X various metamagic/item creation feats, all with only a move action? Sign me up!". Seraphi's suggestion works better, IMO.
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    Well, it's already limited by LA. (shrug)
    Immunities are powerful, especially when given a number of free changes....


    There is essentially 0% chance of my changing my mind on this one. I really, really dislike Advanced Learning that only gets spells that could have been on the spell list to start with. If there's a spell that would work REALLY WELL for them, then that's a good reason for them to take it. If there's a spell that is SUPER BROKEN, that's a problem with the spell, not the class.
    (Anyone who takes Wish, OTOH, should be hit with the largest available book)
    Again, my arguments are more for consistency in the spell list. Makes more sense, IMO.

    (shrug) I lowered it anyway xD
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    Immunities are powerful, especially when given a number of free changes....
    True, but any race you take is already balanced for that. The strength of the ability is having access to the best race for multiple situations.
    Which... is pretty much the point, mechanically.

    Again, my arguments are more for consistency in the spell list. Makes more sense, IMO.
    I don't see why an enchantress can't learn fireball if she puts the effort in. It bugs me quite a lot that they can't.
    If it fits the theme of the spell list it should be on the spell list.

    Exactly what I thought.
    Edited to kill that dead.
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