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    Quote Originally Posted by ChristianSt View Post
    A dangling Belkar might be a cliffhanger - but I don't see why a chapter break is appropriate here. I don't really know what events will come next, but a natural point would imo be the arrival at Tinkertown (which I think will take some time).

    Have you fought of potential round breakups for Book 5? I have done so myself, and I have a hard time to break them in small chunks. I would probably do something like this:

    1. (673-698) Desert shenanigans
    2. (699-709) Team Evil
    3. (710-774) Empire of Blood
    4. (775-822) Arena
    5. (823-833) Team Evil
    6. (834-898) Girard's pyramid
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    8. (937-946) Epilogue


    ups, seems that I hit post reply instead of preview :/

    Anyway I wanted to add some thoughts to it: I think the Team Evil/Epilogue splits are pretty easy. But I have a real hard time to split the other parts. I really think they are too long (though The Battle of Azure City was pretty long, too), but I just can't find a spot I'm really satisfied with.
    I think that many of the divisions in rounds will probably fall along those lines, but I think there might be more rounds, as W&XPs had that many and it was a shorter book.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaxzan Proditor View Post
    I think that many of the divisions in rounds will probably fall along those lines, but I think there might be more rounds, as W&XPs had that many and it was a shorter book.
    I think 734 marks a logical chapter break.
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    Also the chapter break at 863 to 864 sticks out like a sore thumb (I couldn't help myself on that one).
    Quote Originally Posted by Morty View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reddish Mage View Post
    Also the chapter break at 863 to 864 sticks out like a sore thumb (I couldn't help myself on that one).
    *groans*


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    Quote Originally Posted by Reddish Mage View Post
    I think 734 marks a logical chapter break.
    Quote Originally Posted by Reddish Mage View Post
    Also the chapter break at 863 to 864 sticks out like a sore thumb (I couldn't help myself on that one).

    Yeah, on a second thought both could work fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChristianSt View Post
    A dangling Belkar might be a cliffhanger - but I don't see why a chapter break is appropriate here. I don't really know what events will come next, but a natural point would imo be the arrival at Tinkertown (which I think will take some time).
    Not so much a cliffhanger, but that we as an audience don't have to see the resolution of this scene. It works just as well to come back on them sometime later, with the tension here unresolved, but hanging over everything like an ever present cloud.

    As for why now? Well, the characters have been introduced, the tension between Belkar and the HPoH has been established, and we now have the ship headed toward a new, unplanned, destination. Furthermore, the verbal battles between the HPoH and Durkon have also been established, as has Roy's central dilemma.

    In short, the book has passed the Introduction stage. At least that's how it feels to me.

    We could see the voyage to Tinkertown, sure. Or we could just cut to their arrival. Or perhaps just before they arrive.

    IF Rich is planning a cut, then, as I said, this seems like a natural cutting point to me. Again, at least possibly. The 'camera' moves on to another group of characters, and then when we return to Team OotS, it is as they are approaching Tinkertown.

    ....

    Or not. We saw the caravan trek through the desert after all. OTOH, that was livened up by first a random encounter and then a nice Dune parody. Here, with them in the skies, I'm not sure if that is really in the cards.

    I'm most likely wrong here. But this is the first time I think we might have a potential scene break, and thus I commented on it.
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    Well, guess we're still on the ship after all. So much for that possible predicition.

    As of 958
    Book # of Online Strips # of Online Pages Xtra Pages Total Book Pages
    DCF
    121
    122.5
    37.5
    160
    NCftPB
    180
    197
    47
    244
    W&XP
    183
    242
    46
    288
    DStP
    188
    226
    46
    272
    BRitF
    274
    318.75
    ???
    ???
    Book 6
    12
    14
    ???
    ???

    58 pages to go until Book 6 is equal to the size of On the Origins of PCs.

    NOTE: The acronym for Book Five has been been White Spaced for Spoilerphobes. Highlight the white space in the slot for Book Five to see it.
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    As of 959
    Book # of Online Strips # of Online Pages Xtra Pages Total Book Pages
    DCF
    121
    122.5
    37.5
    160
    NCftPB
    180
    197
    47
    244
    W&XP
    183
    242
    46
    288
    DStP
    188
    226
    46
    272
    BRitF
    274
    318.75
    ???
    ???
    Book 6
    13
    15
    ???
    ???

    57 pages to go until Book 6 is equal to the size of On the Origins of PCs.

    NOTE: The acronym for Book Five has been been White Spaced for Spoilerphobes. Highlight the white space in the slot for Book Five to see it.
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    As of 960
    Book # of Online Strips # of Online Pages Xtra Pages Total Book Pages
    DCF
    121
    122.5
    37.5
    160
    NCftPB
    180
    197
    47
    244
    W&XP
    183
    242
    46
    288
    DStP
    188
    226
    46
    272
    BRitF
    274
    318.75
    ???
    ???
    Book 6
    14
    16
    ???
    ???

    56 pages to go until Book 6 is equal to the size of On the Origins of PCs.

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    Annnnd, I officially give up on white-texting BRitF.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 137ben View Post
    How long are you waiting before declaring BRiF to no longer be a spoiler? Until it is mentioned in one of the website's announcements? Until the book is actually available? An arbitrary time period?
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    Annnnd, I officially give up on white-texting BRitF.
    My third guess was correct!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 137ben View Post
    My third guess was correct!
    The finishing of the Ultimate Book Tournament, plus a couple of other disucssions on this board broke me in the last couple of weeks.

    Honestly though, it was already hanging by a thread for months. I think stubborness kept it up to a degree. In the end though, the F-it gene kicked it.

    So it goes, as they say.
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    Porthos, beneath the "stat block" you write "56 [or some other number] pages to go until Book 6 is equal to the size of On the Origin of PCs."

    Can you please explain how that number 56 is calculated? I'm not seeing it. At the moment, Book 6 has 16 "pages, " while OtOOPCs has 122.5. This suggests 122.6 - 16 = 106.5 pages to go, yes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2.5 cats View Post
    Porthos, beneath the "stat block" you write "56 [or some other number] pages to go until Book 6 is equal to the size of On the Origin of PCs."

    Can you please explain how that number 56 is calculated? I'm not seeing it. At the moment, Book 6 has 16 "pages, " while OtOOPCs has 122.5. This suggests 122.6 - 16 = 106.5 pages to go, yes?
    The only thing with 122.5 pages is the online portions of DCF. OtOoPCs has 72. 72-16=56.


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    As of 961
    Book # of Online Strips # of Online Pages Xtra Pages Total Book Pages
    DCF
    121
    122.5
    37.5
    160
    NCftPB
    180
    197
    47
    244
    W&XP
    183
    242
    46
    288
    DStP
    188
    226
    46
    272
    BRitF
    274
    318.75
    ???
    ???
    Book 6
    15
    17
    ???
    ???

    55 pages to go until Book 6 is equal to the size of On the Origins of PCs.
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    As of 962
    Book # of Online Strips # of Online Pages Xtra Pages Total Book Pages
    DCF
    121
    122.5
    37.5
    160
    NCftPB
    180
    197
    47
    244
    W&XP
    183
    242
    46
    288
    DStP
    188
    226
    46
    272
    BRitF
    274
    318.75
    ???
    ???
    Book 6
    16
    18
    ???
    ???

    54 pages to go until Book 6 is equal to the size of On the Origins of PCs.
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    OK, that looks like a chapter break.

    As of 963
    Book # of Online Strips # of Online Pages Xtra Pages Total Book Pages
    DCF
    121
    122.5
    37.5
    160
    NCftPB
    180
    197
    47
    244
    W&XP
    183
    242
    46
    288
    DStP
    188
    226
    46
    272
    BRitF
    274
    318.75
    ???
    ???
    Book 6
    17
    21
    ???
    ???

    51 pages to go until Book 6 is equal to the size of On the Origins of PCs.
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    As of 964
    Book # of Online Strips # of Online Pages Xtra Pages Total Book Pages
    DCF
    121
    122.5
    37.5
    160
    NCftPB
    180
    197
    47
    244
    W&XP
    183
    242
    46
    288
    DStP
    188
    226
    46
    272
    BRitF
    274
    318.75
    ???
    ???
    Book 6
    18
    22
    ???
    ???

    50 pages to go until Book 6 is equal to the size of On the Origins of PCs.
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    *checks Rich's Twitter feed*

    Huh.

    Last Call for your guesses as for what the total page count for Blood Runs in the Family will be!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Porthos View Post
    *checks Rich's Twitter feed*

    Huh.

    Last Call for your guesses as for what the total page count for Blood Runs in the Family will be!
    Yes! It's here!
    I'm keeping my guess.


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    Guessing 368.

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    We have two guesses so far, both at 368 pages. For the same reason as well, I suspect.

    Still, Rich might just surprise us. So if anyone else wants to chime in, better do it PDQ.
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    I actually think BRitF will have less extra pages than normal. Put me down for... let's say 362 pages total.
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    364 or so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gift Jeraff View Post
    364 or so.
    If I was going to make a guess, that actually might be mine. I understand the "Rule of 16", but, I dunno. Just got a feeling it might be that. If it isn't 368, it's very probably 364.
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    384 wins. Not that I guessed, but I noticed guessing.
    Suspiciously normal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mordae View Post
    384 wins. Not that I guessed, but I noticed guessing.
    Wow. That blows by ALL of us!

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    As of 965
    Book # of Online Strips # of Online Pages Xtra Pages Total Book Pages
    DCF
    121
    122.5
    37.5
    160
    NCftPB
    180
    197
    47
    244
    W&XP
    183
    242
    46
    288
    DStP
    188
    226
    46
    272
    BRitF
    274
    318.75
    65.25
    384
    Book 6
    19
    23
    ???
    ???

    49 pages to go until Book 6 is equal to the size of On the Origins of PCs.



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    Compilation Books as of 965
    Book Online Strips Online Pages Bonus Strips Chapters Commentary Pages* Other Xtras** Total Pages
    DCF
    121
    122.5
    18
    5
    8.5
    6
    160
    NCftPB
    180
    197
    12
    10
    16
    9
    244
    W&XP
    183
    242
    14
    8
    15.5
    8.5
    288
    DStP
    188
    226
    17
    9
    12.083
    7.917
    272
    BRitF
    274
    318.75
    17
    ???
    10+
    ???
    384
    Book 6
    19
    23
    ???
    ???
    ???
    ???
    ???

    Print Only Books
    Book Comic Pages Chapters Commentary* Other Xtras** Total Pages
    OtOoPC
    66
    n/a
    2
    4
    72
    SoD
    107
    n/a
    2
    3
    112
    SS&DT
    97.5
    4
    5.175
    5.325
    112

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    12
    1
    13
    H&J
    25
    1
    26


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    ** Other Xtras includes, when applicable, the Recap Strips, Cast of Characters Pages, Character Drawings, Blank/Book Information Pages, Promos, and Various Other Miscellanea.
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    A useless measure, but not counting Book 6 because it's not print yet, all of the print books (plus kickstarter PDF stories) total at the moment 1683 pages of content.

    Book 6 brings us over 1700 so far - to 1706 pages and running.

    Just in case that's ever of interest.
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    You know, I didn't even think to check....

    384 = 24 x 16

    Yep. Rule of 16 strikes again!

    Quote Originally Posted by SaintRidley View Post
    A useless measure, but not counting Book 6 because it's not print yet, all of the print books (plus kickstarter PDF stories) total at the moment 1683 pages of content.

    Book 6 brings us over 1700 so far - to 1706 pages and running.

    Just in case that's ever of interest.
    That reminds me, I haven't updated my running charts on my home computer in ages. I really should do that.

    *goes and does it*

    Thanks for the reminder.
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    Wow, that's a ton bigger than I expected! This is gonna be good.

    (I was almost right about the price, though)


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    Default Re: OOTS By Page Count

    For the record, I'm including Quoth the Familiar and Durkon Turned Undead in the "Bonus Strips" section for now. I might shift one or both of them into "Other Xtras" depending on how they look in the book. Leaning toward keeping QtF in Bonus and sliding DTU into Other Xtras. As said, it'll all depend on how it plays out.

    As an example, there was an out-of-continuity promotional strip designed to cater to store owners in No Cure for the Paladin Blues. That currently is under "Other Xtras" in the Advanced Block chart. The little vignettes sprinkled throughout Don't Split the Party are also in the "Other Xtras" section for that matter.

    Might simply come down to an issue of continuity to me. Yes, continuity is somewhat flexible when it comes to OOTS (and it's particularly thrown out the window in SS&DT). But I gots to draw the line somewheres.
    Last edited by Porthos; 2014-10-20 at 06:22 PM.
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