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2014-05-03, 12:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dethy Tournament--Heat One in Progress--Still Recruiting!
Ashton drinks his coffee, muttering to Alexia about how
Saposhienteseems guilty.Last edited by Aric Kale; 2014-05-04 at 01:55 AM.
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Zane and Aric by Recaiden. Aric Kat by Hatter.
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2014-05-03, 12:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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- Dec 2006
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Re: Dethy Tournament--Heat One in Progress--Still Recruiting!
Perhaps you could edit the OP Player List to show who played in what round? Like this:
Spoiler: Player List
01. Duck999- 1st Round
02. Disc Lorde- 1st Round
03. Tom the Mime- 1st Round (Winner)
04. Aventine- 1st Round
05. DukeGod- 1st Round
06. Lex-Kat- 2nd Round
07. Saposhiente- 2nd Round
08. Doctor Whooves- 2nd Round
09. Aric Kale- 2nd Round
10. Random_Person- 2nd Round
11.Tanar Aerdoth
12. Sabeki
13. Studoku
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Another idea is, since recruitment has dropped off (), perhaps allow some of the losers to rejoin, after they have loss?
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2014-05-03, 01:44 PM (ISO 8601)Count DingdongGuest in the Playground
Re: Dethy Tournament--Heat One in Progress--Still Recruiting!
@Lex: You've missed Askthepizzaguy and Penguinator in your table, so there are enough people to do a third heat.
Also, if you need anyone to fill in a spot, I've been watching and can be available to play a heat.
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2014-05-03, 02:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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- Aug 2009
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Re: Dethy Tournament--Heat One in Progress--Still Recruiting!
That's probably because we aren't on Zjoot's table.
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2014-05-03, 08:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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- Mar 2009
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Re: Dethy Tournament--Heat One in Progress--Still Recruiting!
Okay. Since we're apparently just revealing our scries one by one, I have aric_kale as guilty.
If I creep into your house in the dead of night and strangle you while you sleep, you probably messed up your grammar.
I'm always extremely careful to hedge myself against absolute statements.
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2014-05-03, 11:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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- Nov 2012
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- Thatcher by gurgleflep
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Re: Dethy Tournament--Heat One in Progress--Still Recruiting!
I wasn't fully sure how we were going about it, but I liked Lex-Kat's approach. Also, I'm definitely a cop.
#27Sigatars
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Zane and Aric by Recaiden. Aric Kat by Hatter.
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2014-05-03, 11:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dethy Tournament--Heat One in Progress--Still Recruiting!
If I creep into your house in the dead of night and strangle you while you sleep, you probably messed up your grammar.
I'm always extremely careful to hedge myself against absolute statements.
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2014-05-04, 12:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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- Nov 2012
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- Thatcher by gurgleflep
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Re: Dethy Tournament--Heat One in Progress--Still Recruiting!
So, you could be literally anything except naive, is what you're saying? And I can say with confidence that you aren't sane.
#27Sigatars
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Zane and Aric by Recaiden. Aric Kat by Hatter.
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2014-05-04, 12:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dethy Tournament--Heat One in Progress--Still Recruiting!
Pretty well. The deductions can't start in earnest until we get scry results from Saposhiente and the good (or evil) Doctor.
If I creep into your house in the dead of night and strangle you while you sleep, you probably messed up your grammar.
I'm always extremely careful to hedge myself against absolute statements.
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2014-05-04, 12:34 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dethy Tournament--Heat One in Progress--Still Recruiting!
Dammit guys, you're supposed to only reveal part of your info so that the Mafioso can't construct a perfect fakeclaim. Look at last game. It's probably too late now, but I'll follow the system anyway and say that I scried (someone) as innocent, and reveal the target after Doctor Whooves reveals his. That way if he is mafia his job is harder and he has fewer safe options.
Aric Kale, stop pointing at me. As an unknown cop on D1 there is an exactly 50% chance that the person you scry will scry as guilty, regardless of their actual role. It might not matter right now, but you shouldn't vote preemptively, and do not vote at the start of Day 2. If you are wrong, we lose instantly. Lynches happen immediately once a majority is reached, so don't vote for anyone until everyone has discussed and you are certain that they are the correct target.Target Lex-Kat Saposhiente Doctor Whooves Aric Kale Random_Person Lex-Kat <Innocent> ? Saposhiente <Innocent> ? Guilty Doctor Whooves Innocent <Innocent> ? Aric Kale <Innocent> ? Guilty Random_Person <Innocent> ? Last edited by Saposhiente; 2014-05-04 at 01:27 AM.
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2014-05-04, 12:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dethy Tournament--Heat One in Progress--Still Recruiting!
If I creep into your house in the dead of night and strangle you while you sleep, you probably messed up your grammar.
I'm always extremely careful to hedge myself against absolute statements.
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2014-05-04, 03:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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- Jan 2008
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- Here
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Re: Dethy Tournament--Heat One in Progress--Still Recruiting!
Okay, I'll join one of these too. Though it's all about the part of the game I'm worst at.
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Formerly known as The Fiery Tower Formerly known as Catseye2121.
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2014-05-04, 03:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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- Jan 2010
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Re: Dethy Tournament--Heat One in Progress--Still Recruiting!
Whooves hasn't been listed as viewing the forum since when he posted to confirm. If he doesn't show up before soft deadline, can we have him replaced and Day extended? I'd rather this not come down to "lynch Whooves without evidence and hope he's mafia".
Last edited by Saposhiente; 2014-05-04 at 04:18 PM.
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2014-05-04, 09:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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- Jan 2014
Re: Dethy Tournament--Heat One in Progress--Still Recruiting!
I'd also like to join the tournament. I sent Zjoot a PM since the heat was in-progress, but since The Fiery Tower just posted here so I guess I'll post here too.
Last edited by reaverb; 2014-05-04 at 09:28 PM.
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2014-05-04, 10:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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- Nov 2012
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Re: Dethy Tournament--Heat One in Progress--Still Recruiting!
Sorry for my lack of input and mistakes thus far. I am new to this gametype and I'm trying to figure things out.
#27Sigatars
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Zane and Aric by Recaiden. Aric Kat by Hatter.
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2014-05-05, 06:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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- Jan 2010
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Re: Dethy Tournament--Heat One in Progress--Still Recruiting!
In case Zjoot doesn't extend day:
Doctor Whoovescan't be confirmed innocent regardless of what scry result he reports because he would be in the majority result either way. (Majority result = Whichever of Innocent/Guilty the majority of people reported. D1 people are confirmed iff they report the minority result and either were not scried by anyone or are the only one reporting that result. Logic: Townies will report an even split of Innocent/Guilty unless the Sane/Insane Cop scries the Mafia. Therefore, the Mafia must be either in the majority result or scried by the Sane/Insane Cop. Therefore, if someone is in the minority result and hasn't been scried by anyone, they're cleared. This doesn't prove that there's no other scenario where someone is cleared D1, but I've never encountered one.)Last edited by Saposhiente; 2014-05-05 at 10:55 PM.
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2014-05-05, 07:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dethy Tournament--Heat One in Progress--Still Recruiting!
Don't worry. I'll extend it. I was unable to post over the weekend. I'll give Whooves a quick pm but if he's not here by tomorrow, I'll pm AskthePizzaguy to replace him and extend the day for an additional 48 hours. And I've updated the player list to reflect who was in which heat and to include the new players. We have enough for three heats, and after that I'll open up the recruitment pool to the players that already competed.
Last edited by Zjoot; 2014-05-05 at 07:37 PM.
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2014-05-05, 10:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dethy Tournament--Heat One in Progress--Still Recruiting!
I don't mind replacing in, but I would prefer if this game counted under Whooves, and if I could participate from the game start in the next heat as my official representation.
Dethy games are kind of critical in terms of execution and I'd be filling in at the tail end of the first day after everyone else has made their opening moves.
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2014-05-06, 09:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dethy Tournament--Heat One in Progress--Still Recruiting!
That seems fair enough. The day will essentially reset, but I can see what you mean in terms of people already having sent their actions. Since I was planning on filling the last couple of heats with repeats anyways, I think it would be fine iif you wanted to participate again under your own name. I'll send you Whooves' role pm, and the day will restart now. I hope you don't mind but this is the only time I can post until tomorrow evening and you seem to be attending to the thread so I don't want to delay the game y another day by waiting for a ready post.
Heat two Day one restarts with Askthepizzaguy replacing DoctorWhooves. The day will last 48 hours or until someone reaches a majority of the votes.Awesome Lion Avatar by the wonderful Mr. Saturn. Thanks
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2014-05-06, 09:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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2014-05-06, 09:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dethy Tournament--Heat One in Progress--Still Recruiting!
Alright, Lex-Kat is either Naive, Sane, or Insane...oe Mafia.
I'm either Sane, Insane, or Paranoid.
Idk about much else.#27Sigatars
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Zane and Aric by Recaiden. Aric Kat by Hatter.
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2014-05-06, 09:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dethy Tournament--Heat One in Progress--Still Recruiting!
By restart I simply mean that the players should make an effort to begin a new discussion and analysis. I understand scry results have already been revealed, so there's obviously some groundwork, but in terms of who to lynch, scry, etc... having a new player might create a fresh spin on the discussion. Plus I think it's a bit much to reassign roles just to replace one player.
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2014-05-06, 09:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dethy Tournament--Heat One in Progress--Still Recruiting!
Well I don't think we need to do much to make a new analysis seeing as we couldn't do the full analysis without the fifth scry.
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2014-05-07, 02:14 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dethy Tournament--Heat One in Progress--Still Recruiting!
Officer Askthepizzaguy pulls up in his
pizza delivery vehiclecriminal catcher car and dons hisspace helmetofficial-looking police uniform cap.
He flashes his blue lights and lets his sirens blare, and then honks his horn for emphasis.
"BEEP BEEP! Special Officer Pizzaguy is here, never fear! I'm here to arrest the perpetrator, also known as Studoku, who goes by the alias Aric Kale! Aric, I have an official warrant for your arrest! It's right here in my pockets........... hold on."
Pizza rummages through his pockets, pulling out wads of paper towels, gum wrappers, pencil shavings, pen caps, and bottle caps which all say "Sorry, you are not a winner" on the bottom of them. Eventually he pulls out a bunch of napkins, which have been torn to pieces and stuffed inside random pockets.
"Hold on, this very official warrant is right here, let me just patch things up a bit."
Pizza begins to cough a bit, and eventually, spits out a tube of paste, obviously meant for kindergarteners. He begins pasting the assorted napkin pieces together, and it eventually forms a picture: A remarkably well drawn image of a leafy green vegetable. In fact, it sort of looks like it was printed on there with a high definition laser printer. Why someone would make a high definition-image of kale on a napkin with a laser printer, I care not to guess.
"See right here, people. This is what I was talking about. Aric Kale, if that is your real alias, you are under arrest for being mean, for being green, and for generally wrong and evil behavior of some kind, probably of the law-breaking type! This warrant that I had in several of my pockets is all the proof I need to string you up by your... your roots! There, won't that be painful, eh?"
SpoilerOOC: Now I need to figure out how meaningless that result is. BRB with actual analysis.
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.....cogitating.....
.....generating template.........formulating likely parameters........reticulating splines.....
Spoiler: Results thusfar
Resulting Facts (always in orange)
Lex-Kat cannot be Paranoid *and cannot be Insane (Something only I know).* [Result: Innocent]
Sapo cannot be Paranoid. [Result: Innocent]
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Aric Kale cannot be Naive. [Result: Guilty]
Random cannot be Naive.[Result: Guilty]
Askthepizzaguy cannot be Naive. [Result: Guilty]
Stuff only I know will always be in blue.
Conclusions:
One of Lex-Kat or Saposhiente is the Naive Cop. (Hard, undebatable fact.)
Further analysis and extrapolation:
3 guilty results can only happen the following ways:
Spoiler: Scenario A: Mafioso tells the truth1 Paranoid cop result: ALWAYS GUILTY
1 Sane cop result: Guilty result on actual mafioso
1 Insane cop result: Guilty result on innocent person
Mafioso claiming innocent result on someone.
Naive claiming innocent result on someone.
Or, the inverse:
Spoiler: Scenario B: Mafioso tells a lie1 Paranoid cop result: ALWAYS GUILTY
Mafioso claiming guilty result on innocent person
1 Insane cop result: Guilty result on innocent person
Sane cop claiming innocent result on someone.
Naive claiming innocent result on someone.
By sheer odds alone, the second scenario is more likely, because the only other way it occurs is if the Sane cop found the guilty mafioso on the very first night, AND, the guilty mafioso decided to claim that some cop was innocent, at the same time.
It can also happen this way, but it is rare:
Spoiler: Scenario C: Highly unlikely: Insane and Sane cop targeting the same personParanoid cop: Guilty result always
Mafioso claiming guilty result on innocent person
Sane cop: Guilty result on Guilty person
Insane cop: Innocent result on Guilty person
Naive cop: Innocent result on Innocent person
Which would require both the Sane Cop and the Insane cop to scry the same, guilty target.
I am discarding this theory for now, as it's most likely absurd.
The odds are much, much better (3:1) that the sane cop found an innocent person.
As such, I am working on the premise (opinion) that Lex-Kat and Saposhiente are, respectively, the sane cop and the naive cop, or vice-versa.
As such, (opinion) neither Lex-Kat nor Saposhiente should be lynched today.
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SCENARIO B ANALYSIS
Inconclusives and leans:
Lex-Kat: Naive or Sane (likely) Mafioso (unlikely) Insane (Impossible) Paranoid (Impossible)
Saposhiente: Naive or Sane (likely) Mafioso (unlikely) Insane (VERY unlikely) Paranoid (Impossible)
Askthepizzaguy: Insane or Paranoid (likely) Sane (unlikely) Mafioso (Impossible) Naive (Impossible)
Aric Kale: Insane or Paranoid or Mafioso (likely) Sane (unlikely) Naive (Impossible)
Random person: Insane or Paranoid or Mafioso (likely) Sane (unlikely) Naive (Impossible)
Furthermore:
If I am Insane, Aric Kale is actually innocent, not guilty.
If I am Paranoid, I cannot tell.
If Aric Kale is Insane, Saposhiente is actually innocent. Which I already assumed.
If he is paranoid, he cannot tell. But I'm assuming.
If Random Person is Insane, Aric Kale is actually innocent, not guilty.
If Random person is paranoid, he cannot tell.
Further-furthermore:
Aric Kale has actually just been proven innocent under Scenario B.
Spoiler: explanation(I am not a mafioso, therefore I can only be Insane or Paranoid. Therefore, either I have a guilty result on Aric Kale proving him therefore innocent, OR, Random person is the Insane cop who has that very same guilty result on Aric Kale, which therefore proves Aric Kale innocent. Or Random Person is the mafioso making up lies about Aric Kale.
Because the only way that Aric Kale can be found guilty twice under this (most likely) scenario (it is not impossible under other, less likely scenarios) is if the Paranoid cop and Insane cop both found him guilty, or if one of the cops scrying him as guilty is actually a mafioso, thus rendering everyone else innocent.
As such, an innocent Aric Kale means the following:
Aric Kale, an innocent, has a guilty result on (likely) innocent Saposhiente. Which means he is likely to be Paranoid or Insane.
Further-Finally-more:
Which means one of Askthepizzaguy or Random Person is guilty under Scenario B.
Which, as we've already discussed, is the most likely scenario.
I will not be voting myself today, so if you guys believe Scenario B is the most likely, Random Person should be lynched.
If the game continues, that means we are actually factually in Scenario A, because Random Person as innocent and Askthepizzaguy as innocent and Aric Kale as innocent means that we are playing Scenario A.
Which means tomorrow, we lynch one of Lex or Saposhiente, the only possible persons who can be guilty under Scenario A.
It also means that Aric Kale must be murdered tonight as he has been proven innocent under Scenario A and Scenario B.
That means I will be alive tomorrow. How suspiciously convenient of me to point that out.
If you guys want to lynch me instead, I have my popcorn ready.Last edited by Askthepizzaguy; 2014-05-07 at 03:10 AM.
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2014-05-07, 03:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dethy Tournament--Heat One in Progress--Still Recruiting!
SCENARIO A ANALYSIS
If the game does not end with Random Person's lynch, then we are in scenario A, and Aric Kale will be known to be innocent and therefore murdered, and Pizza will still know he's innocent but no one else will and therefore not be murdered, and Random person will be dead.
Next, we analyze the remainder of the game. What do we know if we are in Scenario A?
Spoiler: Scenario A1 Paranoid cop result: ALWAYS GUILTY
1 Sane cop result: Guilty result on actual mafioso
1 Insane cop result: Guilty result on innocent person
Mafioso claiming innocent result on someone.
Naive claiming innocent result on someone.
Askthepizzaguy: Insane or Paranoid (LIKELY) (impossible for me to be Sane under Scenario A or B)
Aric Kale: Sane (likely) or Insane or Paranoid (unlikely)
Random person: Insane or Paranoid (Unlikely) (impossible for him to be Sane under Scenario A or B)
Lex-Kat: Naive or Mafioso
Saposhiente: Naive or Mafioso
Now hold on. Askthepizzaguy and Random Person absolutely, positively, must be the Insane and the Paranoid cops if this is Scenario A, because if the game continues with Random Person's lynch, either I am guilty, which sorry, I know I am not, or it's forced: Askthepizzaguy and Random Person were the Insane and Paranoid cops, and that FORCES Aric Kale to be the Sane Cop.
Which means that Saposhiente is always guilty in Scenario A.
Therefore the game is solved.
Askthepizzaguy has deduced that Random person is 75% likely to be mafia, (Scenario B) and the only other possible person in this game who can be guilty at all is Saposhiente (Scenario A), who I deduce is unlikely to be mafia because I doubt this is Scenario A.
Therefore we lynch Random person today, and one of Askthepizzaguy or Saposhiente tomorrow for the win.
Lex-Kat therefore is always innocent, as is Aric Kale, and Lex-Kat has the deciding vote tomorrow if the game lasts that long.
Kisses, Lex-Kat.
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Just to be super-thorough, the highly unlikely..........
SCENARIO C ANALYSIS
Paranoid cop: Guilty result always
Mafioso claiming guilty result on innocent person
Sane cop: Guilty result on Guilty person
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Insane cop: Innocent result on Guilty person (Lex-Kat, Saposhiente)
Naive cop: Innocent result on Innocent person (Lex-Kat, Saposhiente)
Under the highly unlikely Scenario C, both Lex-Kat and Saposhiente are by rule, always innocent.
Again, we should not lynch Lex-Kat or Saposhiente today.
Lex-Kat: Naive or Sane and CANNOT BE INSANE OR I AM MAFIA. And I know I'm not mafia.
Saposhiente: MUST BE THE INSANE COP.
No further analysis required, because now we have a known true result of "insane: innocent" which means Guilty 100 percent of the time.
Because I am innocent, Scenario C produces Saposhiente as the Insane Cop with an innocent result.
That person that Saposhiente has an innocent result on is therefore guilty, always, in Scenario C.
And if we are in Scenario C, we have already lynched Random Person, and that means that Random person was innocent, and since I am also innocent, the only possible person that Saposhiente can claim to have scried innocent and still be believed,
(since Sapo will not have scried himself, and cannot claim to have scried Lex-Kat innocent [under Scenario C, the mafioso is the one claiming a guilty result on an innocent person, and so therefore, Lex-Kat is ruled out as mafia] and under Scenario C, Sapo is always innocent as well, and therefore will NEVER, EVER have scried me innocent because I am in fact innocent, precluding that result, we have already lynched Random person, and so therefore that would force Aric Kale to be guilty.)
Is Aric Kale.
I find it implausible.
Scenario C is forced to be:
Insane Cop: Saposhiente with an innocent result on (the only possible person) Aric Kale, forcing Aric Kale to be guilty.
Naive Cop: Lex-Kat with an innocent result on Askthepizzaguy.
Sane Cop: Askthepizzaguy or Random Person with a guilty result on Aric Kale.
Paranoid Cop: Askthepizzaguy or Random Person with a guilty result on Aric Kale
Mafioso: Aric Kale.
Saposhiente can therefore solve the game now, because if Saposhiente has an innocent result on ANYONE BESIDES ARIC KALE, Saposhiente under Scenario C is claiming to be guilty. Which is also the end result of Scenario B.
Therefore, Saposhiente can remove Scenario C from being a possibility by naming someone besides Aric Kale as innocent.
Final Conclusion:
Under Scenarios A, B, and C, Lex-Kat is always innocent.
Askthepizzaguy is always innocent and I will vote for any person who disagrees, because they have either not done the analysis properly or they are guilty themselves.
Under Scenario A and B, Aric Kale is always innocent. Only under Scenario C (Sapo scried Aric Kale) can he be guilty.
Aric Kale is therefore highly unlikely to be guilty regardless on Scenario.
Saposhiente is likely innocent, but possibly guilty.
Random Person is unlikely to be innocent.
- Random Person is guilty 74% of the time.
- Saposhiente is guilty 24% of the time.
- Aric Kale is guilty 2% of the time, and Saposhiente can remove that option entirely for us today.
- Askthepizzaguy and Lex-Kat are always innocent.
Last edited by Askthepizzaguy; 2014-05-07 at 03:52 AM.
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2014-05-07, 04:30 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dethy Tournament--Heat One in Progress--Still Recruiting!
TL;DR summary
Spoiler: Lex-KatLex-Kat (sane) proves Askthepizzaguy innocent.
Lex-Kat (mafia) proves Askthepizzaguy innocent, but it's impossible.
- However, in no scenarios is Lex-Kat guilty because it's impossible for the rest of the cops to be telling the truth about their scry results, unless I just openly claimed to be mafia. Literally, if I call lex-Kat mafia, I am admitting to being mafia.
Lex-Kat (naive) doesn't prove anything.
Lex-Kat (insane) would mean I am admitting to being guilty right now, and I'm not. Lex-Kat is never insane.
Lex-Kat (paranoid) is impossible.
Spoiler: SaposhienteSaposhiente (sane) proves whoever he scried innocent.
Saposhiente (naive) proves Askthepizzaguy innocent, because that forces Lex-Kat to be sane, because Lex-Kat is never mafia (in Scenarios A, B, or C) and never insane and never Paranoid (innocent result)
Saposhiente (mafia) proves Askthepizzaguy innocent (duh). This is the likely scenario if Random Person is innocent, by the way.
Saposhiente (insane) proves Aric Kale guilty. This is extremely unlikely.
Saposhiente (paranoid) is impossible.
Spoiler: Aric KaleAric Kale (sane) proves Saposhiente guilty.
Aric Kale (paranoid) proves that Random Person is guilty.
Aric Kale (insane) proves that Random Person is guilty.
Aric Kale (mafia) proves that Askthepizzaguy is innocent.
Aric Kale (naive) is impossible.
Spoiler: AskthepizzaguyAskthepizzaguy (sane) proves Aric Kale guilty. This is extremely unlikely.
Askthepizzaguy (paranoid) proves Aric Kale innocent as Random Person can only be insane or mafia.
Askthepizzaguy (insane) proves Aric Kale innocent.
Askthepizzaguy (mafia) is not bloody likely.
Askthepizzaguy (naive) is impossible.
Spoiler: Random PersonRandom person (sane) proves Aric Kale guilty. This is extremely unlikely.
Random person (paranoid) proves Aric Kale innocent as Askthepizzaguy can only be insane or mafia, and I'm not the bloody mafia.
Random person (insane) proves Aric Kale innocent.
Random person (mafia) is likely.
Random person (naive) is impossible.
I am voting for Random Person regardless today, especially if Saposhiente claims to have scried anyone besides Aric Kale, because the game is absolutely solved if he does.
If Saposhiente claims to have scried anyone besides Aric Kale, Saposhiente is guilty 100 percent of the time after we lynch Random Person.
Aric Kale is guilty once in a blue moon.
Lex-Kat is never guilty.
Askthepizzaguy is verbose.Last edited by Askthepizzaguy; 2014-05-07 at 04:31 AM.
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2014-05-07, 04:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dethy Tournament--Heat One in Progress--Still Recruiting!
...okay, hang about a moment there. You can't assume you're innocent for the purposes of analysis - or rather, we can't assume that you're innocent for the purposes of analysis, and your contending that we should is disingenuous. You and I are indistinguishable in terms of raw data, and so should equally be up for lynch, Askthepizzaguy. You provided a bunch of analysis, which is helpful, but in a game this small and with Saposhiente available to analyze as well could easily just be a mafioso bluff, on grounds that the analysis is going to get done anyway so it might as well come from you, making you look good.
So, to the rest of the players: there is nothing in it, beyond ephemeral psychological factors, when choosing between lynching pizza and me. Any claims to the contrary should be ignored, barring that Saposhiente's result was on pizza or me and that changes the analysis somehow.If I creep into your house in the dead of night and strangle you while you sleep, you probably messed up your grammar.
I'm always extremely careful to hedge myself against absolute statements.
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It does, mafioso.
Seriously, though, folks, pay mind to the fact that only one of us is interested in giving you the information as you know it, not the information as we know it.If I creep into your house in the dead of night and strangle you while you sleep, you probably messed up your grammar.
I'm always extremely careful to hedge myself against absolute statements.
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Re: Dethy Tournament--Heat One in Progress--Still Recruiting!
Here's the scenario where I am the mafioso:
Askthepizzaguy (Mafioso) generates false guilty result on Aric Kale, who was never likely to be guilty anyway. Okay, so what does that FORCE to happen?
Lex-Kat is the Naive Cop or the insane cop, because now, she absolutely cannot be the sane cop, because now Askthepizzaguy is guilty, and she cannot be the Paranoid cop (innocent result), and she's not lying (mafia).
- However, if Lex-Kat is the insane cop, that means that either Aric kale or Random Person is the paranoid cop by default, and NOT BOTH of them, and they also cannot be lying if Askthepizzaguy is mafia.
- So that means we have Villager Aric Kale calling Saposhiente guilty, while not being the insane cop, while Random Person the villager is calling Villager Aric Kale guilty, while ALSO not being the insane cop. And as you can tell by simple arithmetic, that's impossible.
- THEREFORE, IPSO FACTO, PRESTO CHANGEO:
- Lex-Kat can ONLY BE THE NAIVE COP if I am guilty.
- Which forces Saposhiente to be the Insane cop or the Sane cop.
- And if Saposhiente is the insane cop, he'd have to have scried me personally.
- If Saposhiente is the sane cop, he can never have scried me.
What else do we then know?
Saposhiente as an innocent person (forced by ATPG being mafia) can only have scried ME as the insane cop.
- Which means that, again, villager Aric Kale scried villager Sapo guilty while not being the insane cop, while at the same time villager Random Person scried villager Aric Kale guilty while also not being the insane cop.
- Which means, again, that is impossible. Due to arithmetic.
Which means Saposhiente is never the insane Cop either if I am guilty.
Which makes Sapo the Sane cop with an innocent result on someone ((which CANNOT be me if I am guilty) and the Insane cop would have had to have scried me innocent, and....
NOBODY ELSE SCRIED ME.
That means, there is no scenario where either Lex-Kat OR Saposhiente is the Insane Cop if I am guilty.
And that means that there is no possible way for there to be 3 guilty scry results to occur on the people they have occurred on, if I am guilty.
In order for me to be guilty, the insane cop needed to have scried me innocent and they DID NOT.
Because one of those guilty results NEEDS to be on me, and none of them were.
And that means it is impossible for these scry results to occur if I am guilty.
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Utterly impossible for me to be guilty.
Generate a scenario where these specific scry results have occurred if Askthepizzaguy was mafia.
It's not possible.
Open challenge.
If you can demonstrate a scenario where these scry results can occur if I am mafia, I will self-vote today.
Retracted because I am a silly banana.Last edited by Askthepizzaguy; 2014-05-07 at 06:00 AM.