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    Thought I would share something that happened to me recently:

    I often buy gaming books through Amazon, and not all sellers there will ship direct to Australia - so I use a shipping agent in the US. I get deliveries sent there, consolidated, then shipped to me here in Oz.

    Recently, I ordered Shackled City, Call of Cthulhu D20, and BoEF. The first two shipped without incident, while the BoEF was listed as cannot be shipped. When I questioned why, I was told "it contains nudlity".

    It's a gaming supplement for crying out loud!

    Really annoyed now, since they won't on-ship it, or help me return it to Amazon. Bascially I just flushed my money down the toilet, and they won't even reply to my continued queries about what my options are.

    The wonderful world of online shopping - I wish I had just bought that damn thing when it was on the shelves of my FLGS all those years ago!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thurbane View Post
    Thought I would share something that happened to me recently:

    I often buy gaming books through Amazon, and not all sellers there will ship direct to Australia - so I use a shipping agent in the US. I get deliveries sent there, consolidated, then shipped to me here in Oz.

    Recently, I ordered Shackled City, Call of Cthulhu D20, and BoEF. The first two shipped without incident, while the BoEF was listed as cannot be shipped. When I questioned why, I was told "it contains nudlity".

    It's a gaming supplement for crying out loud!

    Really annoyed now, since they won't on-ship it, or help me return it to Amazon. Bascially I just flushed my money down the toilet, and they won't even reply to my continued queries about what my options are.

    The wonderful world of online shopping - I wish I had just bought that damn thing when it was on the shelves of my FLGS all those years ago!

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    I'm sorry that this happened to you... its country import laws, if you had it shipped to a friend in the states you could probably get away with it being giftwrapped and being claimed as a hard back book gift. But then again my luggage was thoroughly searched for illegal nuts when getting into Brisbane.

    Alternatively you may be able to buy a valid copy from an online vendor, like drivethruRPG (supposedly they relicensed with WoTC).

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    Weird. Does Australia have a fledgling nude pictures industry that needs protection from cheap import? Or is it simply a 'you must wear clothes in pictures on this continent' thing?
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    Anyone think that the former prison colony having such strict morality laws is funny?

    But yeah really sorry to hear that this happened. What are they doing with the book? If you could do a return to sender it would be shipped back to the vendor and you could contact them on amazon for further details like a rerouted shipping to a different address in the US or whatever.

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    Australian censorship is well-known to be over the top, but I didn't think it's this silly. If I remember correctly, the most "outrageous porn" in the BoEF is a couple of drawn nipples.

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    I don't think it's Australian Censorship that's the problem, it's the shipping agent, who's head office is based in Brussels, I believe.

    Same company lost a shipment a bit over a year ago (Rokugan, Way of the Shugenja, Five Nations and Advanced Bestiary), and even after being given proof of delivery to their warehouse via US POstal Service, simply stopped replying to my queries/complaints. I should have stopped using them then. In fact, I did for a long time, but since they had been good before, I decided to give them another chance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoACWarrior View Post
    I'm sorry that this happened to you... its country import laws, if you had it shipped to a friend in the states you could probably get away with it being giftwrapped and being claimed as a hard back book gift.
    Not necessarily. Most states in the U.S. have laws against sending pornography through the mail over state lines. The "Comstock Laws" were a series of federal and state "moral decency" laws passed in the 1870s. This is why certain magazine publishers in the U.S. must have 50 different printers in 50 different states: they can only ship their product within the same state. In most states, the enforcement of these laws have gone from "OMG! That's disgusting!" to "Meh... Whatever." But in certain states these laws may still be on the books.

    I was going to suggest finding out what state the shipper was in, and then see if a forum member in that state could act as an intermediary, but it sounds like the seller has freaked out a bit and won't communicate at all. (Which begs the question... if they knew they couldn't ship it outside the state, why did they bother to list it?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darrin View Post
    I was going to suggest finding out what state the shipper was in, and then see if a forum member in that state could act as an intermediary, but it sounds like the seller has freaked out a bit and won't communicate at all. (Which begs the question... if they knew they couldn't ship it outside the state, why did they bother to list it?)
    The original Amazon Strefront was fine, it was only once it arrived at the shipping agent's warehouse there was a problem.

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    My sympathies. Probably the most you'll be able to do is leave a one-star rating - enough of those, and people will start thinking twice about using the shipping agent.

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    You should call them and ask if you can get another company to do a pick-up, then get the new company to send it to you.
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    The literal only good part of the book are the STD's characters can get. With interesting names like 'crotch plague'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Telonius View Post
    My sympathies. Probably the most you'll be able to do is leave a one-star rating - enough of those, and people will start thinking twice about using the shipping agent.
    From what it sounds like, the Shipper its the one getting screwed. The OP has receipt of purchase and at least in the US thats typically enough to allow digital formats of a product to be obtained without retribution. The problem was that the guy he has do the overseas shipping now has a liability hes legally screwed on. he cant return the book to the Seller without Driving across any number of states and he cant get the cost back to reimburse the OP. to him he has a double liability on the books he cant deal with because the book is not legally the seller's own asset.


    On the other Hand: the seller did protect the OP from the most horrifying book of D20 sourcematerial printed. The real tragedy would have been if the lost material was a "The bride of Portable Hole" or "ENworld Armory: Chainmail Bikini" which are mature enough to realize the material is quite immature and presents it with a decent sense of humor.

    The dry tone of the BoEF ends up being Mindrape-y
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thurbane View Post
    I don't think it's Australian Censorship that's the problem, it's the shipping agent, who's head office is based in Brussels, I believe.

    Same company lost a shipment a bit over a year ago (Rokugan, Way of the Shugenja, Five Nations and Advanced Bestiary), and even after being given proof of delivery to their warehouse via US POstal Service, simply stopped replying to my queries/complaints. I should have stopped using them then. In fact, I did for a long time, but since they had been good before, I decided to give them another chance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by atomicwaffle View Post
    The literal only good part of the book are the STD's characters can get. With interesting names like 'crotch plague'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thurbane View Post
    Thought I would share something that happened to me recently:

    I often buy gaming books through Amazon, and not all sellers there will ship direct to Australia - so I use a shipping agent in the US. I get deliveries sent there, consolidated, then shipped to me here in Oz.

    Recently, I ordered Shackled City, Call of Cthulhu D20, and BoEF. The first two shipped without incident, while the BoEF was listed as cannot be shipped. When I questioned why, I was told "it contains nudlity".

    It's a gaming supplement for crying out loud!

    Really annoyed now, since they won't on-ship it, or help me return it to Amazon. Bascially I just flushed my money down the toilet, and they won't even reply to my continued queries about what my options are.

    The wonderful world of online shopping - I wish I had just bought that damn thing when it was on the shelves of my FLGS all those years ago!

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    Quote Originally Posted by atomicwaffle View Post
    The literal only good part of the book are the STD's characters can get. With interesting names like 'crotch plague'.
    Actually a few spells are really cool too.

    One spell which can be used offensively or situationally is the strip armor spell (I can't be bothered to look it up now), when you cast the spell on a creature all the armor and cloths just fall off.

    I was tinkering around with it and using an arcane caster in fullplate, where he would use an item like that if he wanted to cast spells instead of using abilities from feats what not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoACWarrior View Post
    Actually a few spells are really cool too.

    One spell which can be used offensively or situationally is the strip armor spell (I can't be bothered to look it up now), when you cast the spell on a creature all the armor and cloths just fall off.

    I was tinkering around with it and using an arcane caster in fullplate, where he would use an item like that if he wanted to cast spells instead of using abilities from feats what not.
    i think they called it Disrobe. it doesnt effect magical clothing and equipment so effectively it was worthless when compared to Grease
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    Aahh, why do you need the BoEF when you have a Grease spell ?
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    There are a handful of spells in the BoEF that are useful for worldbuilding purposes. In particular there are spells for contraception, for detecting pregnancy, and assisting with fertility issues. These are unlinely to ever actually be used by the players in most campaigns, but IMHO things which should exist in any world where magic is common and used for daily quality-of-life improvement. I wouldn't touch the custom classes, but I am using some of the spells for background stuff in my current game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ellindsey View Post
    I wouldn't touch the custom classes, but I am using some of the spells for background stuff in my current game.
    From what I recall, actually, Kundala wasn't that terribly unbalanced compared to the total lack of balance already available in core. Tantrist, obviously, suffers from the problem that Con-based caster is hugely exploitable, but I think they had a limited list. Imagist was a pretty cool idea, but their execution left something to be desired. I really can't remember the others. Some of it was interesting, if not particularly well-thought out.

    Anyway, the main reason I like BoEF is that it shines a light on that part of the game world that isn't obsessed with murderhobo hack/slash. It's obviously a genre-bias toward combat and conflict, but I don't like to portray a world where that is the only interesting thing that happens all of the time (the classic "must be apocalypse, since it's a day of the week ending in '-y'"). Things like stats for pregnancy and a little bit of fluff for *ahem* downtime activities are welcome in my world, because that stuff happens, even if the default is that it is off-screen (I'm open to on-screen mature content if everyone is on-board and comfortable with that, though it gets silly to highlight that stuff too much too...moderation in all things). In past campaigns, there have been several pregnancies among npcs and retired pcs, and the book was very helpful to me as DM trying to figure out what that all means mechanically.
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    Personally i just cant read the book beyond the spell list because it honestly takes itself too seriously that most of the material is just presented in a disturbing way.
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    This is a situation in which piracy is entirely justified. Seriously, Google away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phelix-Mu View Post
    Anyway, the main reason I like BoEF is that it shines a light on that part of the game world that isn't obsessed with murderhobo hack/slash.
    Yeah, there are a few good bits in the book that help, especially when my players get their "rockstar adventurer" faces on and the "night-life" needs to be explored a bit.
    I don't get too graphic, and a lot of the stuff in the book (feats, most spells, classes, PrCs and items) is a bit silly.
    It does, however, give me a convenient way to judge if any paternity issues will be coming up in a character's future.

    (As a note, the PC everyone nicknamed "The Drunkard of Mystra" is looking at an...issue with a young noblewoman they rescued, so the rules are useful on occasion. )
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    I allowed a decent number of spells from the book to be available in my campaigns. The thing is no one would use them for any reason, unless it's their job. I made a few gynecologist-style clerics for wacky pregnancy-related adventures, but as to PCs... they aren't actually of game quality. They're useful as a tool for someone to say to the PC's in-game girlfriend "you're pregnant!" but not for the PCs to do themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by atemu1234 View Post
    I allowed a decent number of spells from the book to be available in my campaigns. The thing is no one would use them for any reason, unless it's their job. I made a few gynecologist-style clerics for wacky pregnancy-related adventures, but as to PCs... they aren't actually of game quality. They're useful as a tool for someone to say to the PC's in-game girlfriend "you're pregnant!" but not for the PCs to do themselves.
    Yeah. You take out the spells that are either porn or silly and you're left with the very definition of "utility spells". Pretty specialized utility spells at that.

    I tend to assume those kind of spells are available in my games too, but thus far no one has ever shown any interest in learning or using any of them.
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    What state are these guys located in?
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    Quote Originally Posted by toapat View Post
    Personally i just cant read the book beyond the spell list because it honestly takes itself too seriously that most of the material is just presented in a disturbing way.
    more accurately, the fluff is presented really seriously and somewhat maturely (not that sort of mature) but the crunch is all... well... not so serious. i mean they have a prestige class that turns the party wizard into a magical peeping tom. Its like a bunch of adults wrote the fluff, and a bunch of drunken frat boys wrote the crunch.

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    The shipping depot is in Ohio.
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    get in contact with Amazon directly, and they should be able to help sort it out. I had a similar experience relating to some modeling materials (airbrush paint primer, of all things) and after the seller stopped responding to inquiries I contacted amazon directly, and they were able to help mediate a solution.

    what I got out of the whole event is that Amazon is very protective of its customers and ecosystem, since goodwill and trust between consumer and seller is what makes the whole system work.
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