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    Default Steadfast Determination

    Ok, so I was thinking about something interesting. Imagine playing a rogue with a high DEX and CON. You take the feat Steadfast Determination. Your Fort saves take place of your Will saves. Does that mean if you become Undead, you're immune to effects requiring a Fort or Will save on top of a good Reflex save?
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    You might want to reread what that feat specifically does.

    If you were playing an undead character that could actually be a hilariously terrible feat to have. At least the undead would still not fail his fort saves on natural 1s. (Remember kiddies, undead have to make fort saves sometimes too!)
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    That is not how that feat works at all, you only add your Con Modifier to will saves instead of wisdom modifier. It would be pointless for an undead.

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    Default Re: Steadfast Determination

    Yeah, I just reread it. Boy I feel dumb right now. (Sad face)

    Quote Originally Posted by HunterOfJello View Post
    You might want to reread what that feat specifically does.

    If you were playing an undead character that could actually be a hilariously terrible feat to have. At least the undead would still not fail his fort saves on natural 1s. (Remember kiddies, undead have to make fort saves sometimes too!)
    When do undead make Fort saves?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gamereaper View Post
    When do undead make Fort saves?
    When something requires a fort save, and works on objects as well. Classic example is Disintegrate. Glass Strike also works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gamereaper View Post
    Yeah, I just reread it. Boy I feel dumb right now. (Sad face)


    It's all good, guy. At least you didn't show up to a game with a build based around that single concept only for the DM to point out that the feat didn't work that way.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gamereaper View Post
    When do undead make Fort saves?
    As mentioned above, if an object would have to make a save then an undead has to also.

    It's rare for it to happen, but when it does the undead can be at a significant disadvantage since they don't get a bonus from their Constitution score.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Necroticplague View Post
    When something requires a fort save, and works on objects as well. Classic example is Disintegrate. Glass Strike also works.
    And PaO, of course, which is probably why liches have immunity to polymorph effects, because being turned into a frog is so embarrassing.
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