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    Barbarian in the Playground
     
    AssassinGuy

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    Default Re: 3.5 Bard am I missing something, or is this class really so bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by dextercorvia View Post
    It's in the sidebar at the bottom of page 18 or Dragon Magic.
    Ooooooh I thought you were saying I didn't need dragon heritage IF I went d shaman. Cool. Still a fun dip after lvl 6! :)

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    Default Re: 3.5 Bard am I missing something, or is this class really so bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by SliceandDiceKid View Post
    Ooooooh I thought you were saying I didn't need dragon heritage IF I went d shaman. Cool. Still a fun dip after lvl 6! :)
    You don't. If the effect depends on your heritage ( from the Draconic Heritage feat), treat your totem dragon as your Heritage selection.

    It isn't saying that your DH heritage has to match your totem. It is saying any time a feat or ability checks for Hertiage from DH, use your totem dragon type instead.

    The example makes it clear for that Dragon Shaman, that he is gets cold damage as if he had DH(silver).
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    This is brilliant.
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    Nicely done. Probably too cheesy for many tables, but I'd be inclined to allow it at mine, just for chutzpah.

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    Default Re: 3.5 Bard am I missing something, or is this class really so bad?

    Ah
    Cool cool cool. You're the best!

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    Default Re: 3.5 Bard am I missing something, or is this class really so bad?

    The action cost isn't usually relevant for Fascinate, given that you can't use it in combat anyway. But in the odd case that it is relevant, your first action to fascinate the target also takes away their action, so it works out to a net cost of one action anyway.
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    Default Re: 3.5 Bard am I missing something, or is this class really so bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chronos View Post
    The action cost isn't usually relevant for Fascinate, given that you can't use it in combat anyway. But in the odd case that it is relevant, your first action to fascinate the target also takes away their action, so it works out to a net cost of one action anyway.
    Cool. As I'm thinking about it, it seems like it could have it's uses.

    Is there any precedence for using a pyroclastic dragon as your totem dragon?

    I'm planning that silverbrow human bard/Dshaman/bard7/?

    I'd definitely need to be able to argue pyroclastic dragon in. The dragon totem says it must be from monster manual. Is that only because there were fewer books at the time of publication? Or was this overruled by a later book?

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    Default Re: 3.5 Bard am I missing something, or is this class really so bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by SliceandDiceKid View Post
    I'd definitely need to be able to argue pyroclastic dragon in. The dragon totem says it must be from monster manual. Is that only because there were fewer books at the time of publication? Or was this overruled by a later book?
    RotD came first, so that is, unfortunately WotC's usual habit of having one splat ignore the others.
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    Regarding my Necrotic Apprentice trick:
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    This is brilliant.
    Regarding my Non-Epic Hidecarved Dragon:
    Quote Originally Posted by Amphetryon View Post
    Nicely done. Probably too cheesy for many tables, but I'd be inclined to allow it at mine, just for chutzpah.

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    Default Re: 3.5 Bard am I missing something, or is this class really so bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by dextercorvia View Post
    RotD came first, so that is, unfortunately WotC's usual habit of having one splat ignore the others.
    Does anyone know where this came from?

    http://www.mit.edu/~locutus/DnD/clas...emDragons.html

    Looks legit

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    Default Re: 3.5 Bard am I missing something, or is this class really so bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by SliceandDiceKid View Post
    Does anyone know where this came from?

    http://www.mit.edu/~locutus/DnD/clas...emDragons.html

    Looks legit
    Unfortunately that is just someone's detailed homebrew. Getting a different Totem Dragon is the kind of thing you should be able to work out with your DM. Or, you can undergo the Rite of Draconic Affinity, as someone mentioned earlier.
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    Regarding my Necrotic Apprentice trick:
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    This is brilliant.
    Regarding my Non-Epic Hidecarved Dragon:
    Quote Originally Posted by Amphetryon View Post
    Nicely done. Probably too cheesy for many tables, but I'd be inclined to allow it at mine, just for chutzpah.

    Have a cookie.
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    Default Re: 3.5 Bard am I missing something, or is this class really so bad?

    Ok cool! Thanks a bunch! I'm eager to test this out. My friend is planning a dervish and I'm going to take a ranger follower at lvl 9 with leadership. Hehehe

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