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2014-05-07, 10:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Soul and Steel: A Guide to the Ironsoul Forgemaster (WIP, PEACH)
I don't see how Therapeutic Mantle would work with Martial Spirit at all. First of all, while the soulmeld does say "spell or effect", which would seem to include maneuvers as an "effect", the bonus is based on the "spell level", which a maneuver doesn't have. OK, it'd be a reasonable houserule to use the maneuver level instead... But that still doesn't help you heal others. The chakra bind does help with healing others, but it does not give them the same benefit you get: That ability specifically applies only to spells, not effects, and the only way it improves them is by increasing caster level. Even if we houserule that to include maneuvers and initiator level, it still doesn't help Martial Spirit, and helps Crusader's Strike only a little bit before it hits the cap.
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2014-06-22, 01:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Soul and Steel: A Guide to the Ironsoul Forgemaster (WIP, PEACH)
Is there any way to make Chameleon work with Ironsoul Forgemaster? It seems like the floating feat and access to spells from every class would be handy.
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2014-06-22, 02:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Soul and Steel: A Guide to the Ironsoul Forgemaster (WIP, PEACH)
Chameleon requires Able Learner, which is human-only, and Ironsoul Forgemaster is dwarf-only. You'd have to pull some gymnastics to qualify for both--Stoneblessed or something. I don't see it being worth it.
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2014-06-22, 03:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Soul and Steel: A Guide to the Ironsoul Forgemaster (WIP, PEACH)
Dungeonscape explicitly says that Able Learner and Chameleon should be made available to changelings, so Changeling Rogue 1/Incarnate 4 with Able Learner at 1st level and Racial Emulation at 3rd qualifies for both PrCs with little difficulty. I'm not sure what Ironsoul Forgemaster adds to Chameleon though, other than slightly better weapon/armor crafting. Chameleons craft well enough without help.
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2014-10-02, 04:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Soul and Steel: A Guide to the Ironsoul Forgemaster (WIP, PEACH)
You know, you talk about melee a lot, but there's nothing in the class that says the abilities can't be used for ranged weapons. An Ironsoul Forgemaster could make for a pretty good archer.
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2014-10-02, 05:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Soul and Steel: A Guide to the Ironsoul Forgemaster (WIP, PEACH)
Doesn't Secrets of the Forge explicitly stack with anything? So Battlesmith should indeed up your CL for crafting, giving you a total of at least 45.
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2014-10-02, 07:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Soul and Steel: A Guide to the Ironsoul Forgemaster (WIP, PEACH)
Hokey smokes, this thread is still a thing!
True. An IF could probably arch nicely. But I focused on melee because, frankly, there's more content available for melee than there is for archery. Also because Dwarves tend to be more melee-inclined than ranged-inclined, but I suppose that's a function of the former. Also because if you're using a bow, you're not using a shield (unless it's Animated, perhaps).
But you're right. In theory, you could do some serious damage with an IF archer.
Well, I see several possible problems, but two jump out at me.- Both IF and Battlesmith have an ability called Secrets of the Forge that allows you to treat your CL for crafting as 3x your levels in the class. As a general rule, you don't get to stack the same bonus, with the same name, from two different sources. (For example, taking levels in both Monk and Swordsage won't get you 2x Wis to AC.) This might raise stacking concerns, despite language that they stack with applicable caster levels.
- That's 15 class levels. I'm not entirely sure if it's possible to take full IF and Battlesmith, but more importantly, I'm not entirely sure if you'd want to. Even assuming they stack, Battlesmith really doesn't give you a lot more - you get Wis to damage with a hammer, a sacred bonus to AC, the ability to ignore fatigue and exhaustion, and a 1/day save-for-half-damage. And you get an additional 15 crafting CL - and let's be honest, what do you need 45 CL for crafting for? And to do so, you're giving up the possibility of other class features, such as maneuvers, soulmelds, or spells. Even if it does work, it just doesn't seem worth the effort.
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2014-10-02, 08:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Soul and Steel: A Guide to the Ironsoul Forgemaster (WIP, PEACH)
Indeed, that's the general rule. The issue here though is that both of those abilities specifically say they stack with anything, and therefore they override the general stacking rule.
Lulz, mostly. Though I'm sure there's some kind of market for nigh-undispellable items.Plague Doctor by Crimmy
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2014-10-02, 09:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Soul and Steel: A Guide to the Ironsoul Forgemaster (WIP, PEACH)
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2014-10-02, 10:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Soul and Steel: A Guide to the Ironsoul Forgemaster (WIP, PEACH)
To be accurate, the IF SotF ability says "These effective levels also stack with any other caster levels that might apply." The Battlesmith SotF says "(this benefit stacks with any other caster levels the battlesmith might have)." It is possible, but questionable, that the "effective caster levels" from SotF count as "other caster levels" for purposes of another SotF.
Again, it's a question for the DM. There are a lot of those. I certainly see your position, however, and choosing to take IF and Battlesmith (and hobbling your character in the process) and getting 45 crafting CL out of it is hardly game-breaking.
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I confess, part of the reason I didn't emphasize Totemist in this handbook was that I've always seen Totemist as completely natural weapons-oriented (which I know needn't be true), and as such missed out on Weapon Bond. The fact is, even excluding natural weapon soulmelds, Totemist has a lot to offer (Blink Shirt alone is the envy of plenty of classes). And technically, nothing stops a Totemist IF from using a manufactured weapon and natural weapons (aside from claws), even though it seems a bit odd flavor-wise.
The other part was that (other than the Judosoul Trapmaster, which uses a two-level Totemist dip) there weren't many suggestions for Totemist-based builds. Would it be alright if I snuck this build stub into my handbook as well? (I might have to edit; I think he says Witchborn Binder where he means Witch Slayer.)My headache medicine has a little "Ex" inscribed on the pill. It's not a brand name; it's an indicator that it works inside an Anti-Magic Field.
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2014-10-03, 01:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Soul and Steel: A Guide to the Ironsoul Forgemaster (WIP, PEACH)
Rhymes with "Protracted."
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2014-10-03, 06:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Soul and Steel: A Guide to the Ironsoul Forgemaster (WIP, PEACH)
:)
Ironically, this is also the first time I've seen my handbook linked in another handbook. :P
Indeed. And by all means.
Regarding the weapons, while Totemists can do it on their own, it works really well in gestalt. Give up just two claw attacks for some über charging (or whatever you wish to do with a two hander). The only real problem is the feat starvation.
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2015-11-17, 09:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Soul and Steel: A Guide to the Ironsoul Forgemaster
Something to add in regards to this. If you can finagle it so you no longer require sleep, or if you can become immune to fatigue (and thus ignore the penalty for sleep deprivation), you can craft while everyone else is asleep. It's not a perfect solution (and it takes away your ability to change your soulmelds in the morning), but it helps when downtime is scarce.
Additionally, crafting a bonded magic item (Dungeon Master's Guide II, pp231-235) can be done in only a short period of time, and does not require you to have access to any prerequisite spells. For example, performing the Ritual of Blood enchants your weapon and only requires a 15-minute ceremony of respect after using the weapon to strike the killing blow against a monster with a CR at least 2 higher than your character level, regardless of how expensive the enhancement normally is. You can only have one bonded item, but it's still a godsend for an Ironsoul Forgemaster.Rhymes with "Protracted."
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