League of Legends LIX: Ice Cream, Stamps, and Lorn

[PersonMan]

Also: AP Kog, how bad an idea is this?

Unless things have changed, AP Kog is in many ways Mana'Maw. You build up a Tear, get Archangel's/Deathcap/Voidstaff, maybe Rod of Ages, I dunno, then press R late game. You sometimes use your other abilities - your Q actually exists late game now, and your W can be useful for when you're waiting for your R's mana cost to drop below one million, but for the most part you are Living Artillery.

Kinda where I'm at as well.

Well, I got my motivation to start last June-ish, and now play Ranked almost exclusively (on EUW that is).

[mrcarter11]

Well, I got my motivation to start last June-ish, and now play Ranked almost exclusively (on EUW that is).

Yeah I figure at some point something will inspire me to play ranked, but until then, I'm good with not having that extra hassle.

[Eldariel]

AP Kog really wants Rylai's. Allows forcing chain hits with ult, among other things. Q slow is really strong too now.

[Cogwheel]

but for the most part you are Living Artillery

I thought the term was Orbital Bombarfment.

[Renegade Paladin]

I thought the term was Orbital Bombarfment.

That was bad and you should feel bad.

[Ashen Lilies]

Tear/Athenes(sweet, sweet cdr)/Rylai's/Liandry's/Void is probably a pretty solid AP kog build.

[Olinser]

Unless things have changed, AP Kog is in many ways Mana'Maw. You build up a Tear, get Archangel's/Deathcap/Voidstaff, maybe Rod of Ages, I dunno, then press R late game. You sometimes use your other abilities - your Q actually exists late game now, and your W can be useful for when you're waiting for your R's mana cost to drop below one million, but for the most part you are Living Artillery.



Well, I got my motivation to start last June-ish, and now play Ranked almost exclusively (on EUW that is).

I go through cycles. I'll play games, then run into some dregs of the human race that make me stop for a while. Then I'll begin anew.

[Anarion]

Twitch advice much appreciated. I'll take it as a sign that I need to just work on his timing and mechanics.

[Don Julio Anejo]

I'm curious if Twitch is worth learning. My current champion pool for ADC is Caitlyn/Ezreal/Tristana, I can do OK on Ashe and Lucian and currently learning MF. As you can tell, I prefer long-ranged ADC's that can trade and/or poke well.

[Antonok]

I'm curious if Twitch is worth learning. My current champion pool for ADC is Caitlyn/Ezreal/Tristana, I can do OK on Ashe and Lucian and currently learning MF. As you can tell, I prefer long-ranged ADC's that can trade and/or poke well.

Twitch with ult has longer range then cait and ez, and can absolutely tear thru a team due to its piercing effect. Come out of stealth with a W and a 2.00/2,50 AS and its GG.

My problem with him is GETTING to that stage.

[Don Julio Anejo]

Twitch with ult has longer range then cait and ez, and can absolutely tear thru a team due to its piercing effect. Come out of stealth with a W and a 2.00/2,50 AS and its GG.

My problem with him is GETTING to that stage.

Well, I can usually get there with Ashe, and that's saying a lot. I'm more worried about getting 2v1 dived by like a Zed and Shyvanna while my team happily chases a Lee Sin through the jungle. You know, the typical solo queue experience.

[Lord_Gareth]

So, just purchased Tristana on a whim and played her.

My god, SO CUTE!

[Forrestfire]

Purchased... Tristana...

Coulda sworn I made you get the free champions already.

[Legoshrimp]

Well, I can usually get there with Ashe, and that's saying a lot. I'm more worried about getting 2v1 dived by like a Zed and Shyvanna while my team happily chases a Lee Sin through the jungle. You know, the typical solo queue experience.

if that is your worry the champion you play doesn't really matter.

Also twitch is strong now, but is probably going to be nerfed soon, so you might not want to try learning him.

[Lord_Gareth]

Purchased... Tristana...

Coulda sworn I made you get the free champions already.

She was not free. She cost quite a bit of IP for me, actually.

[Forrestfire]

She is free.

I could have sworn I told you way back. I guess I didn't, or we forgot. Oh well.

Looks like they removed the link to that promotion from the client, weird.

At least she's only 1350.

[Olinser]

if that is your worry the champion you play doesn't really matter.

Also twitch is strong now, but is probably going to be nerfed soon, so you might not want to try learning him.

Riot has already said Twitch and Lucian are both on the chopping block. Both of them have been just barely below 100% pick/ban for the entire first 2 weeks of LCS across both NA and EU (both picked/banned in I believe 47 of 48 games).

Besides the fact that whenever any champion approaches that level they always take a nerf, Riot has flat out stated they're looking at them for changes.

Given nothing has changed yet on the PBE, probably not 4.9, but I'd look for them to be nerfed in 4.10 probably.

[Ashen Lilies]

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I didn't even have to use my ult for it. Tibbers + four instant autos (with Hydra) on four people will do that. Thanks Kook for the teddy bear!

[Antonok]

Besides the fact that whenever any champion approaches that level they always take a nerf, Riot has flat out stated they're looking at them for changes.

*glares accusingly at renekton*

[NineThePuma]

Renekton is unhealthy. They acknowledge this. Nerfing renekton into the ground would mean that SOMEONE ELSE would become the measuring stick by which viability is measured.

I would prefer it to not be Jayce.

[Yael]

Yeah, Renekton's in a good spot? Just "buffed" him?
Better nerf Thresh :C

[Godskook]

Renekton is unhealthy. They acknowledge this. Nerfing renekton into the ground would mean that SOMEONE ELSE would become the measuring stick by which viability is measured.

I would prefer it to not be Jayce.

Technically, they like Renekton's overall game health, just not that he's limiting top lane as much as he is.

And everyone would prefer it to not be Jayce.

[Krazzman]

Since I am far from playing ranked or even normal games... what is that about jayce and renekton?

[NineThePuma]

Teemo (and now Ryze, but Teemo is more classical) is the epitome of ranged top laners: good trading, and most melee bruisers hate him. He's irritating to chase, near impossible to zone, and no matter how behind he is he can have a significant impact on the game.

Renekton is the epitome of bruiser top laners; he's big, he's mean, he will ruin your day with incredibly strong trading, sustain, and safety (especially if he can get the second dash).

Jayce is the worst aspects of Teemo and Renekton combined on crack, in terms of top lane health. On release he had strong, near unanswerable poke and wave clear, with a ridiculous amount of punishment and disengage. His gameplay pattern was such that it gutted the champion pool down to "Jayce and Irelia" though there were probably a few more, most of my memory of that period can be summed up with "I'm not going to go top. I would rather duo mid than deal with THAT." Jayce has all the poking and long range harassment of Teemo, with the unanswerable trading of Renekton (melee leap-onto and knock away) that makes him a pain in the ass to fight, even today after a significant number of nerfs. The ONLY reason he's not still incredibly dominant is that the meta has shifted enough to make a lack of tank in toplane unviable due to the prevalence of assassin mids and especially jungles.

Nerfing Renekton and shifting the top lane gameplay such that the "Renekton Bar" (Ie, the bar judging viability of a top lane champion based on whether or not they can survive laning against a renekton) becomes invalid would cause the league community to find a DIFFERENT champion to look toward as the new renekton, and while there's a distinct possibility that person could be literally anyone else, the fact that Jayce is even a possibility makes me love Renekton. It has nothing to do with the gator himself, and everything to do with the fact that if he were to be dethroned, the possibility of Jayce taking his place exists.

[Talesin]

Since I am far from playing ranked or even normal games... what is that about jayce and renekton?

Renekton is currently a very strong top laner who is very safe in lane, due to his double dash E and the heal from his Q. He doesn't really have a counter so he's a good first pick for a team.

Riot have basically stated that he's the yard stick that is keeping the top lane meta in check but if they nerf him then someone else will take his place, such as Jayce. I whole heartedly agree that i'd rather be playing against Renekton than Jayce as being destroyed while i'm under my turret is beyond frustrating. I'd rather have the chance of picking up a kill if I can outplay a diving Renekton than being poked down and then dove by Jayce.

[Olinser]

*glares accusingly at renekton*

Renekton is nowhere even approaching 100% pick/ban.

NA he's been pick/banned in 11 out of 24 (45.8% pick/ban).

EU he's slightly more popular, pick/ban 14 out of 24 (58.3%).

Overall 25 out of 48, 52.1% pick/ban. Decently popular but nowhere near 'must nerf' territory. Multiple champions have higher pick/bans.

[Legoshrimp]

Renekton is nowhere even approaching 100% pick/ban.

NA he's been pick/banned in 11 out of 24 (45.8% pick/ban).

EU he's slightly more popular, pick/ban 14 out of 24 (58.3%).

Overall 25 out of 48, 52.1% pick/ban. Decently popular but nowhere near 'must nerf' territory. Multiple champions have higher pick/bans.

And we all know pick/ban is power, if someone hasn't been picked a lot they are terrible.

[Olinser]

And we all know pick/ban is power, if someone hasn't been picked a lot they are terrible.

My original statement was that whenever any champion approaches 100% pick/ban he is nerfed by riot. I made no statement about other reasons champions may or may not be nerfed.

Somebody brought up Renekton.

Renekton does not have anywhere approaching 100% pick/ban.

Therefore, Renekton has no relevance to my statement.

[Dusk Eclipse]

Renekton despite not being a 100 % pick/ban champion has had a really important impact in the meta. Personally I think than the current meta of late-game top laners evolved from the need to deal with Renekton who normally falls pretty hard in the late game (as long as you don't feed him).

[Cero Oscura]

I primarily play top lane, so I definitely agree that while Renekton is annoyingly easy to play, he is not near as frustrating as Jayce was during his height. But then, top has often felt like a rotating door of broken. If it's not Renekton, it's Mundo, or Riven, or Kennen, or Ryze, or.....

Did other lanes go through these kinds of problems? Was there ever a midlane champion who fit this pattern (easy to play and be effective with, yet you were still happy they were strong because at least it meant you wouldn't have to fight __________)?

It feels like top is just a terrible place to be 90% of the time. This is especially highlighted in recent LCS games where top laners are relegated to duo jungling instead of, you know, LANING.