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2014-06-24, 12:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Monk Variant that helps fix the class
Combat Prowess
Replaces: Slow Fall and improvements thereof.
Benefit: Monks with this variant gain full base attack bonus. They also qualify for feats that require a fighter level as a fighter of their monk level.
What do you think?
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2014-06-24, 12:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Monk Variant that helps fix the class
Granting a small boost to their accuracy doesn't help that much. Here's the problems that 3.5 monks face:
1) Unarmed strikes have low damage
2) Unarmed strikes are hard to get enhancement bonuses for, and expensive
3) You can't really add enchantments to unarmed strikes outside of a few prestige classes
4) Unarmed strikes do not overcome damage reduction easily
5) Monks require Wis, Dex, Con and Str, and Str is usually the one that gets dumped, resulting in low damage
6) Monks have terrible AC past level 8 or so
7) Like barbarians, fighters and paladins, monks have a hard time dealing with any sort of anti-melee characters, but unlike those classes a monk also has terrible damage. (Flying, invisible, spellcaster)
A monk is basically like a tank/anti-mage/mystic sort of class that most people want to play as a scrappy unarmed brawler. It's just not worth it. If you want to play an unarmed fighter, just play an unarmed fighter. You get nice bonus feats to help, and you can max your Strength for plenty of guaranteed damage even though you only have 1d3 damage dice.
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2014-06-24, 12:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Monk Variant that helps fix the class
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2014-06-24, 01:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Monk Variant that helps fix the class
Which is why my Monk looks like this.
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2014-06-24, 01:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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2014-06-24, 02:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Monk Variant that helps fix the class
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2014-06-24, 04:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Monk Variant that helps fix the class
So that they aren't outmaneuvered by spellcasters, one could consider giving monks more supernatural abilities based on things like balancing lorecall, water walk, air walk, false gravity and other things that can be chalked up to wuxia style Ki use.
One could also give monks more divinations in the style of meditative transcendence and being one with the universe. Possible supernatural abilities could be based on augury, divination and vision.
You could also give meditating monk the ability to appear in another's dream, giving them a supernatural dream ability.
You could also give monks a supernatural form of astral projection, provided the spell itself is rewritten to so that characters suffer a lost level as if resurrected (or something), if their astral form or second body is slain.Last edited by Andion Isurand; 2014-06-24 at 04:37 PM.
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2014-06-24, 05:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Monk Variant that helps fix the class
Subclasses for 5E: magus of blades, shadowcraft assassin, spellthief, void disciple
Guides for 5E: Practical fiend-binding
D&D Remix for 3.x: balanced base classes and feats, all in the authentic flavor of the originals. Most popular: monk and fighter.
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2014-06-26, 12:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Monk Variant that helps fix the class
Unarmed strikes have high base damage but low power attack multipliers. Even still, a monk with a quarterstaff is competitive damage-wise.
Originally Posted by CaptnQ
I always dumped wis.
I tend to agree with these. CaptnQ has ways around them, but they're pretty silly. My favorite one was a combo that lets monks fly 30 feet per round as a nonaction, or maybe the one that lets monks full-attack anyone within a couple hundred feet at no penalty.
Yep, I discuss this in the Monkday Guide linked in my sig. Monk is a class that has a ton of problems.
But those problems don't include lack of fist enchantments or dumping strength, is all I'm saying. In fact, full BAB helps a ton of monk issues, from them not really having more attacks per round, to them losing to unspecced fighters in grapples. It's a good first step.Last edited by bekeleven; 2014-06-26 at 01:00 AM.
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