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    Did the books ever make enough of that for it to be spoilers, beyond vague suggestions from Book 1 on?
    It's one of those things I think that's quite easy to miss if you're not paying attention, but completely obvious once it's pointed out. It's never actually confirmed, I don't think, and it makes hardly any difference to the plot whatsoever whether they're lovers or just BFFs, so calling it spoilers is possibly a bit of a stretch, yeah.

    Then again when I'm reading something I don't like to hear even the tiniest hint of something that might or might not happen in future, so I tend to err on the side of caution as far as spoilers go.
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    Honestly, I feel like there aren't as many deaths as it's made out to be. Ned's hits people hard, though, and it's exaggerated from there, I guess.

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    Honestly, I feel like there aren't as many deaths as it's made out to be. Ned's hits people hard, though, and it's exaggerated from there, I guess.
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    It's war. People die. And pretty much all of them are well-foreshadowed. Or they are background characters.
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    Yeah, how many of those are like Beric Dondarrion's squire's best friend's cousin's butcher's roommate dying? That is a pretty glorious picture though.
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    It's one of those things I think that's quite easy to miss if you're not paying attention, but completely obvious once it's pointed out. It's never actually confirmed, I don't think, and it makes hardly any difference to the plot whatsoever whether they're lovers or just BFFs, so calling it spoilers is possibly a bit of a stretch, yeah.

    Then again when I'm reading something I don't like to hear even the tiniest hint of something that might or might not happen in future, so I tend to err on the side of caution as far as spoilers go.
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    Honestly, I feel like there aren't as many deaths as it's made out to be. Ned's hits people hard, though, and it's exaggerated from there, I guess.
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    It is to an extent. There really are a lot of dead characters, but a fair number of them are secondary and tertiary. No one remembers Chiggen's death, so it's essentially a non entity to show how dangerous the Vale has become.

    Of the 24 POV characters, discounting the prologues and epilogues, only 4 are dead.

    Or in Game of Thrones, of the characters in this listing, we lose only a few figures whom the reader will readily remember in any vivid way. Robert, Viserys, Eddard, Khal Drogo, Mirri Maz Duur.

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    Yeah, I think I must have either misremembered or discounted secondary and tertiary character deaths. Plenty of fiction has non-main characters die off in droves, so I guess it didn't ping my sensors for that.

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    Yeah, I think I must have either misremembered or discounted secondary and tertiary character deaths. Plenty of fiction has non-main characters die off in droves, so I guess it didn't ping my sensors for that.
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    Discounting secondary and tertiary character deaths makes perfect sense. I've read most of the books several times, largely because by the time a new one comes out I don't remember the details all that well. I still don't recognize parts of that list, as so many of those characters are complete non-entities. Ned Stark counts. Robert Baratheon counts. The guy Bran killed in trial by combat? Not so much.
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    Martin actually confirmed it in person. He said it in a public talk several years ago.

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    Though, according to him, the rainbow cloaks had nothing to do with it and were not playing of popular modern symbols. It's just that, quite literally, Renly was fashionable and liked bright colors.
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    I take it that the Renly/Loras sex scene in the TV series never happens in the books?

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    I take it that the Renly/Loras sex scene in the TV series never happens in the books?
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    Nope. Neither of them were ever viewpoint characters, so we don't see any of their private interactions.
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    I'm well past Renly's death, but Loras is still alive (at least at the point I'm in), and I expected it to appear in a flashback from him.

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    I'm well past Renly's death, but Loras is still alive (at least at the point I'm in), and I expected it to appear in a flashback from him.
    Nope. That's just the shows being fantastically tasteless, even with source material that verges on it from time to time.
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    Nope. That's just the shows being fantastically tasteless, even with source material that verges on it from time to time.
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    I wouldn't call it tasteless. I do think the show way, way overdid it on sex scenes - they had to cut so much material, but they somehow managed to add a bunch of sex scenes that weren't there originally, and kept them all entirely too long - but given that they did that including that one is almost a decent move towards inclusivity. Had they taken the approach of "add in a bunch of sex scenes vaguelly alluded to in the book, except the gay ones" I'd be much more disappointed with the show.
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    I wouldn't call it tasteless. I do think the show way, way overdid it on sex scenes - they had to cut so much material, but they somehow managed to add a bunch of sex scenes that weren't there originally, and kept them all entirely too long - but given that they did that including that one is almost a decent move towards inclusivity. Had they taken the approach of "add in a bunch of sex scenes vaguelly alluded to in the book, except the gay ones" I'd be much more disappointed with the show.
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    That scene's actually what made me stop watching the show and switch to the books. Not because of the gay thing, but because I had no idea who this guy Loras was talking to was, he was obviously someone important I was supposed to know, and thus the show wasn't a very good look into the story, and best watched as an adaptation.

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    I wouldn't call it tasteless. I do think the show way, way overdid it on sex scenes - they had to cut so much material, but they somehow managed to add a bunch of sex scenes that weren't there originally, and kept them all entirely too long - but given that they did that including that one is almost a decent move towards inclusivity. Had they taken the approach of "add in a bunch of sex scenes vaguelly alluded to in the book, except the gay ones" I'd be much more disappointed with the show.
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    Actually, I'm astonished that more people aren't upset about those scenes. It has nothing to do with explicit gay sex. I don't care about that. I'm upset because it took two otherwise strong, deep, and intelligent characters . . . and reduced them to flat camp gay stereotypes.

    And yes, I find a LOT of what HBO adds in terms of explicit sexual material to be tasteless.
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    Don't know about tasteless, I mostly hated sex content in the show for how bland, useless and over the top it was. It was pleasant surprise to find the books much more subdued :)
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    Actually the Loras/Renly scene was kind of refreshing, with added shaving and dudes instead of women. But to give the show more "realistic" feel (only reason for the sex outside of dumb marketing) I'd add more rapes too, so maybe I'm not the best person to judge it :D
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    Actually, I'm astonished that more people aren't upset about those scenes. It has nothing to do with explicit gay sex. I don't care about that. I'm upset because it took two otherwise strong, deep, and intelligent characters . . . and reduced them to flat camp gay stereotypes.

    And yes, I find a LOT of what HBO adds in terms of explicit sexual material to be tasteless.
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    I agree. The show's portrayal of Renly - in the first season at least, and for some of the second - was really quite disappointing. For someone who was originally a man's man, young Robert, considered perhaps in some quarters a Robert-plus, charismatic enough to pull so many supporters to his cause despite having a relatively weak claim, and inspiring such fanatical loyalty even after death, not just in Loras, but Brienne, and Cortnay Penrose, even the people of King's Landing cheering for him at the riot... and on the screen he was just a bit of a camp whinging cipher.

    By the time it reached Season 4, I was actually going into every episode on gratuitous sex scene watch. What amuses me almost as much as anything else, though, is that they've passed up or glossed over some opportunities for nude/sex scenes that were in the books themselves (two of them in the first episode alone) in favour of brothel sequences with disposable characters just there for the bewbs. I suppose it's more difficult to convince your "name" actors to get their kit off.
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    Actually, I'm astonished that more people aren't upset about those scenes. It has nothing to do with explicit gay sex. I don't care about that. I'm upset because it took two otherwise strong, deep, and intelligent characters . . . and reduced them to flat camp gay stereotypes.

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    I wouldn't blame those scenes for that. I think they screwed up Renly's portrayal big time, and while Loras has a decent portrayal in the first season, I do think they screwed it up later. The inclusion of the scenes? Fine by me. I'm not exactly impressed by them, but then, I'm not exactly impressed by HBO's handling of the show in general, particularly the sexual elements.
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    I wouldn't blame those scenes for that. I think they screwed up Renly's portrayal big time, and while Loras has a decent portrayal in the first season, I do think they screwed it up later. The inclusion of the scenes? Fine by me. I'm not exactly impressed by them, but then, I'm not exactly impressed by HBO's handling of the show in general, particularly the sexual elements.
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    The sex side of the (first Renly/Loras) scene didn't bother me, but the surrounding conversation did. "ooooh, I can't stand the sight of blood!" All he ever hears from his brothers is how he's a big wimp (and doing nothing to dispel that impression). The whole driving force for the alliance coming from Loras. And so on.

    I thought Renly was a bit better in the second season, although they still screwed him up overall.
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    Honestly, I feel like there aren't as many deaths as it's made out to be. Ned's hits people hard, though, and it's exaggerated from there, I guess.
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    The sex side of the (first Renly/Loras) scene didn't bother me, but the surrounding conversation did. "ooooh, I can't stand the sight of blood!" All he ever hears from his brothers is how he's a big wimp (and doing nothing to dispel that impression). The whole driving force for the alliance coming from Loras. And so on.

    I thought Renly was a bit better in the second season, although they still screwed him up overall.
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    Fair enough. I missed the surrounding conversation, because I watched the season with my dad - who fast forwarded that scene and only that scene. Which probably has a lot to do with why I had no issue with the scene, now that I think about it, between the conversation you're highlighting and my seeing the inclusion of that scene as helpful in the context of the attitudes that led to it being fast forwarded.
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    Let’s Read: A Song of Ice and Fire:
    A Clash of Kings
    part one! 1-~100!

    Well, everybody, I’ve gone through the first hundred pages of A Clash of Kings. It’s an interesting start to the book – especially the comet. I like that Martin’s playing with the comet as omen idea, though I don’t put it past him to just have a comet so the characters can make a big deal out of it and create their own self-fulfilling prophecies regarding what the comet means. In this section we get introduced to another side (sides?) of the conflict in King Stannis. Now, in a hereditary monarchy he should have the throne once Joffrey’s true parentage is known, but this is also a hereditary monarchy with a bunch of factions which hate each other, so it doesn’t much matter what Stannis’s belief is regarding his claim to the throne.

    Anyway, let’s get started.

    Prologue: Here’s where we meet Stannis and the Red Woman. Another wrinkle in the religious fabric here, and she seems to have some sort of power to back it up if the failure of the poison is any indication. As for Stannis, he seems stone cold, cold as ice. Now, I don’t know if Martin looked into this when deciding on Stannis’ name and personality, but there’s a reason I see ice cold when I look at his name. I see Stan and is, the Old English words for stone and ice being compounded with an additional n to link the two elements. Dude’s cold as stone, and it starts in his name.

    His daughter and the fool, however… I’m not sure, but she’s going to be important. And the fool seems important – knowing my Shakespeare, I know never to discount the fool. The shadows come to dance. The shadows come to stay. I don’t know what he means, but he means.

    Arya: So Yoren’s planning to drop Arya off at Winterfell on his way to the Wall. If I know anything about plans, that just isn’t going to happen. She’s also now effectively disguised as a boy – I’m sure someone’s already written an article on Arya as a queer figure in these books due to the portrayal of gender with her.

    Sansa: She’s starting to show signs of taking some limited forms of power – choosing Ser Arrys to be her escort and punisher, for instance. Tommen and Myrcella fortunately don’t appear to have the vicious streak Joffrey does, so that’s good. Still… And Sansa’s gotten snarky. “I should like to see that” is a good, flat line to deliver to Joffrey – the boy’s not quite bright enough to get it. Oh, and first wiener of the book:

    His legs were pale and skinny, and his manhood flopped about obscenely as he chased after his horse.
    Wiener, wiener wiener, wiener wiener…

    And defying Joffrey, and getting Sandor to join her with that quick decision to make the floppy knight a fool rather than drown him, hmm… Let Sansa make Joffrey think he’s running the show and you might actually be able to have a functional kingdom with him in charge. And Tyrion seems to have interest in Sansa – she’s smart enough not to trust him, but he may also be the closest thing in the Lannister family to an ally.

    Tyrion: Now Tyrion’s in King’s Landing, we ought to see a very interesting conversation with Littlefinger, probably resulting in Littlefinger losing his little finger, or something else. Oh, Tyrion’s a snake, but he’s just so fun. Seeing him jerk Cersei around, that’s just wonderful. And his plan to scare Joffrey straight doesn’t seem a bad one. Won’t work, but it should make things interesting. The meeting with Varys and Shae, Tyrion’s going to have his work cut out for him there. Should be fun.

    Bran: The howling, the dreams… There’s magic in that boy. He’s going to be a force if he can figure it out. Eyes on the Walders. With any luck one of them will do something interesting.

    Arya: First thing’s first – reports of a she-wolf, a bitch from the seventh hell. Nymeria returned to the story at last. That’s going to be the thing that takes Yoren’s plans off the rails. And the Bull is the one the goldcloaks are looking for. Gendry – name’s familiar. And a quick flip back to GoT shows why. The blacksmith bastard of the late king. Well, no wonder they want him. Him and Arya are going to become close as they separate from the group soon enough.

    Jon: I’m with Sam on this. Put me in an archive like that and I’d lose myself just admiring everything, looking through old manuscripts. They’re prepping to go beyond the wall, and I have a feeling it may actually be a good thing Sam selected an old map. Plus more good info about Aemon and his place in the Targaryen succession.



    Things of importance:

    * Nymeria’s been making a nuisance of herself – but she’s still alive.
    * Tyrion has arrived at King’s Landing to course correct his nephew.
    * Bran’s dreams
    * Arya and Gendry are together and ought to find common cause.
    * This Red Woman and Stannis are going to be formidable, even if Stannis doesn’t have many supporters.
    * The fool. He’s got insight.
    * Robb’s envoy to Theon’s father.

    Predictions pulled out of my ass:
    * Going to keep it simple for now. One of Renly or Stannis will be dead before the end of the book.
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    [CENTER]Let’s Read: A Song of Ice and Fire:
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    Predictions pulled out of my ass:
    * Going to keep it simple for now. One of Renly or Stannis will be dead before the end of the book.
    Oh? What makes you say that?

    1) I had never picked that out about Stannis's name before. Interesting. I suspect that it is very intentional. Now I have the urge to do a survey of all the names and their roots.

    2) The fool scares the shell out of me. Always did. His predictions mean something, but.what I'm never sure.
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    Oh? What makes you say that?
    Just a feeling. Stannis seems the type to make Renly his priority, which will either result in Renly dead or Stannis dead because he derped hard in what's shaping up to be a war on several fronts.
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    Tyrion: Now Tyrion’s in King’s Landing, we ought to see a very interesting conversation with Littlefinger, probably resulting in Littlefinger losing his little finger, or something else. Oh, Tyrion’s a snake, but he’s just so fun. Seeing him jerk Cersei around, that’s just wonderful. And his plan to scare Joffrey straight doesn’t seem a bad one. Won’t work, but it should make things interesting. The meeting with Varys and Shae, Tyrion’s going to have his work cut out for him there. Should be fun..
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    One would think so wouldn't they? Yet bizarrely Tyrion doesn't really pursue this. I am not sure why besides its potential to upend Littlefinger's scheming.

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    It is to an extent. There really are a lot of dead characters, but a fair number of them are secondary and tertiary. No one remembers Chiggen's death, so it's essentially a non entity to show how dangerous the Vale has become.

    Of the 24 POV characters, discounting the prologues and epilogues, only 4 are dead.

    Or in Game of Thrones, of the characters in this listing, we lose only a few figures whom the reader will readily remember in any vivid way. Robert, Viserys, Eddard, Khal Drogo, Mirri Maz Duur.

    A Game of Thrones - 54 deaths

    Ser Waymar Royce
    Will
    Gared
    Jon Arryn
    Lady
    Mycah
    Ser Hugh
    Jyck
    Kurleket
    Mohor
    Morrec
    Chiggen
    Lharys
    Wyl
    Heward
    Jory Cassel
    Wallen
    Hali
    Stiv
    Tregar
    Ser Vardis Egen
    Viserys Targaryen
    Robert Baratheon
    Fat Tom
    Varly
    Cayn
    Hullen
    Desmond
    Othor
    Jafer Flowers
    Lord Vance
    Ser Raymun Darry
    Masha Heddle
    Ser Jaremy Rykker
    Khal Ogo
    Khal Fogo
    Ulf son of Umar
    Conn son of Coratt
    Torrhen Karstark
    Eddard Karstark
    Daryn Hornwood
    Quaro
    Qotho
    Haggo
    Cohollo
    Eddard Stark
    Septa Mordane
    Veyon Poole
    Rhaego
    Eroeh
    Khal Drogo
    Andros Brax
    Mirri Maz Duur


    A Clash of Kings - 72 deaths

    Maester Cressen
    Praed
    Beric Dondarrion
    Ser Burton Crakehall
    Hendry Bracken
    Lyman Darry
    Allar Deem
    Ser Hubard Rambton
    Doreah
    Woth
    Dobber
    Qyle
    Gerren
    Koss
    Yoren
    Kurz
    Lommy Greenhands
    All-for-Joffrey
    Medger Cerwyn
    Chiswyck
    Stafford Lannister
    Rupert Brax
    Roland Crakehall
    Antario Jast
    Lymond Vikary
    Renly Baratheon
    Stevron Frey
    Reek
    Donella Hornwood
    Emmon Cuy
    Robar Royce
    Todric
    Benfred Tallhart
    Weese
    Poul Pemford
    Myles
    Aron Santagar
    High Septon
    Ser Preston Greenfield
    Alfyn Crowkiller
    Ser Cortnay Penrose
    Leo Lefford
    Alebelly
    Mikken
    Ser Amory Lorch
    Septon Chayle
    Drennan
    Squint
    Gelmarr the Grim
    Aggar
    Gynir Rednose
    Farlen
    Ser Mandon Moore
    Ser Guyard Morrigen
    Maester Tothmure
    Lucan
    Goodwife Harra
    Bryce Caron
    Ser Bryan Fossoway
    Ser Edwyd Fossoway
    Ser Rodrik Cassel
    Leobald Tallhart
    Cley Cerwyn
    Red Rolfe
    Kenned
    Black Lorren
    Ulf
    Squire Dalbridge
    Ebben
    Qhorin Halfhand
    Poxy Tym
    Maester Luwin


    A Storm of Swords - 97 deaths

    Iggo
    Ser Jacelyn Bywater
    Guncer Sunglass
    Dale Seaworth
    Allard Seaworth
    Matthos Seaworth
    Maric Seaworth
    Jate Blackberry
    Lord Chyttering
    Hookface Will
    Hal the Hog
    Gladden Wylde
    Lothar Mallery
    Maslyn
    Ser Ottyn Wythers
    Thoren Smallwood
    Small Paul
    Ser Helman Tallhart
    Tion Frey
    Willem Lannister
    Delp
    Elwood
    Rickard Karstark
    Cleos Frey
    Ser Imry Florent
    Monford Velaryon
    Kraznys Mo Nakloz
    Grazdan Mo Ullhor
    Jarl
    Symon Silvertongue
    Brown Bernarr
    Hake
    Bannen
    Craster
    Garth of Oldtown
    Rolley of Sisterton
    Ser Byam Flint
    Jeor Mormont
    Alyn
    Hoster Tully
    Kyle
    Septon Utt
    Bodger
    Sallor the Bald
    Prendahl Na Ghezn
    Balon Greyjoy
    Lord Botley
    Lark the Sisterman
    Softfoot
    Ryles
    Chett
    Robin Flint
    Ser Wendel Manderly
    Lucas Blackwood
    Donnel Locke
    Owen Norrey
    Dacey Mormont
    Smalljon Umber
    Robb Stark
    Aegon Frey
    Catelyn Stark
    Grey Wind
    Deaf **** Follard
    Rast
    Young Henly
    Old Henly
    Easy
    Dornish Dilly
    Styr
    Quort
    Stone Thumbs
    Ygritte
    Oznak Zo Pahl
    Mero
    Joffrey Baratheon
    Ser Dontos Hollard
    Vargo Hoat
    Donal Noye
    Mag the Mighty
    Red Alyn of the Rosewood
    Ser Endrew Tarth
    Ser Aladale Wynch
    Oberyn Martell
    Harma Dogshead
    Polliver
    The Tickler
    Watt of Long Lake
    Dalla
    Shae
    Tywin Lannister
    Eon Hunter
    Lysa Arryn
    Petyr Frey
    Ser Garse Goodbrook
    Ser Tytos Frey
    Merrett Frey
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    Of the four protagonists that die, two are extremely minor (Quentyn and Arys), while Cat only half died. So GRRM has managed to gain a rep for killing protagonists... by killing one protagonist in book one.



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