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    It's sad and horrifying what Kago has become, isn't it.
    Even more horrifying is the thought of all the good people in there who just do their job and keep their heads low. Victims of a propaganda machine. All too easy to forget them and just say "Kill them all. God will know his own." Not just something that can be solved with fireballs and polymorph self. It will take actual work. Something murder-hobos (i.e. most adventurers) are notoriously bad at. Conan could at least organize a kingdom.
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    Well, to be fair, most of you guys tend to shove swords at "monster" race (except Drows in some cases).
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    Yes, but in another context. Most worlds are constructed to be Black-and-White morality, especially in the ages-old games that things like OOTS and Munchkin parodies. And in such a context, if those are the rules and you have to play by them. In such a game, the monsters are designated as "non-human" or "outside the moral circle". It's sheer escapism.

    Murphy's Law is clearly written as a world with a Gray-and-Gray morality. For those who like to explore the finer points of morality, of the problems of deciding whether staying true to ones' morals regardless of the circumstances or changing them when they clearly don't work... for those who like to question the meaning of Good and Evil, those games and worlds preferable.

    Both are valid choices for a game. I like them both, at different times. It's important to keep them separate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asta Kask View Post
    Yes, but in another context. Most worlds are constructed to be Black-and-White morality, especially in the ages-old games that things like OOTS and Munchkin parodies. And in such a context, if those are the rules and you have to play by them. In such a game, the monsters are designated as "non-human" or "outside the moral circle". It's sheer escapism.

    Murphy's Law is clearly written as a world with a Gray-and-Gray morality. For those who like to explore the finer points of morality, of the problems of deciding whether staying true to ones' morals regardless of the circumstances or changing them when they clearly don't work... for those who like to question the meaning of Good and Evil, those games and worlds preferable.

    Both are valid choices for a game. I like them both, at different times. It's important to keep them separate.
    I don't know but Drows are usually civilized than other monsters and most encounters are either patrols or raiders.
    I am actually thinking about making Drow into various civilizations with variable morals and some areas have syncretized human-drow culture and have white hair among human population (Yes, I got that idea from Vikings in British isles and Ireland).
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    Quote Originally Posted by t209 View Post
    I don't know but Drows are usually civilized than other monsters and most encounters are either patrols or raiders.
    I am actually thinking about making Drow into various civilizations with variable morals and some areas have syncretized human-drow culture and have white hair among human population (Yes, I got that idea from Vikings in British isles and Ireland).
    Um. Did you just provide a source of inspiration for the idea "there's more than one group of people in the area, and the individual groups are not homogenous?"

    Something feels very wrong with that (the source-listing, not the idea), but I can't quite put my finger on how to say it.
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    ...Anyway, my vet school application is in! Now on to the supplementals. I can get back to working on the map of the continent this weekend though!

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    Whoops, thanks! I'll take care of that right now.

    Well, 1/3 of my applications are completely done. The rest are either due later or haven't had the supplements released yet. So I should be able to get back to this soonish.

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    So anybody playing as Robert Baratheon expy (Bastard line of inbred kings and a drunk glutton),
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    Assuming you are talking about the players in Coffee's game, no one is playing a royal, heck nobody is playing a noble (though I have suspicions), besides we aren't even close to Laria, at least as far as I know.
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    Jadeite's the closest thing to a noble in the game; the Nocrius family is one of seven well-known families; they specialize in necromancy. Serrin Peakane has a similar status, though the Peakanes tend to specialize in abjuration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoffeeIncluded View Post
    Jadeite's the closest thing to a noble in the game; the Nocrius family is one of seven well-known families; they specialize in necromancy. Serrin Peakane has a similar status, though the Peakanes tend to specialize in abjuration.
    I am feeling that Serrin's mom married a human after she saw the first hand on why "Keeping the Line pure" is a bad idea after she saw what happened to the King of Laria.
    I hope Nocrius didn't scare off foreign elf suitors, ala Boltons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by t209 View Post
    I am feeling that Serrin's mom married a human after she saw first hand on why "Keeping the Line pure" is a bad idea after she saw what happened to the King of Laria.
    More likely she just married him because she loved him. If all she wanted to do was prevent her children from being inbred, she could have just married an elf not related to her.

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    Oh, no.

    I'm kicking myself for taking so long to realize the connection between strips 121 and 182, and what exactly that seems to suggest about Rust.

    It suggests that the ragtag band of misfits is doomed.

    EDIT: The second to last panel of 198 all but proves it.
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    More likely she just married him because she loved him. If all she wanted to do was prevent her children from being inbred, she could have just married an elf not related to her.
    As the person who created Serrin's dad to begin with, the answer is that yes, they married because they fell in love with each other while in the same adventuring party together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IcebowIllusion View Post
    Oh, no.

    I'm kicking myself for taking so long to realize the connection between strips 121 and 182, and what exactly that seems to suggest about Rust.

    It suggests that the ragtag band of misfits is doomed.

    EDIT: The second to last panel of 198 all but proves it.
    ...Rust is not a deity. He's a type of Baatezu called an erinyes.
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    ...Rust is not a deity. He's a type of Baatezu called an erinyes.
    According to the SRD, erinyes are devils. According to their source in Greek mythology, they are deities.

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    Devils were called Baatezu in 2nd edition. Remember, there was a widespread opinion that D&D was Satanic and taught kids how to use magic and/or commit suicide. Using "devils" was giving these people free ammunition. Demons were called Tanar'ri, btw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IcebowIllusion View Post
    According to the SRD, erinyes are devils. According to their source in Greek mythology, they are deities.
    Considering this is a D&D-based webcomic I think it is safe to assume that Coffee is taking inspiration from the game stats, not the mythology; besides Rust came to the prime plane via Planar Binding which can't bring Deities.

    Quote Originally Posted by Asta Kask View Post
    Devils were called Baatezu in 2nd edition. Remember, there was a widespread opinion that D&D was Satanic and taught kids how to use magic and/or commit suicide. Using "devils" was giving these people free ammunition. Demons were called Tanar'ri, btw.
    They are still called that way, the reason they are simply devils and demons in the SRD is that the names are not OGL AFAIK.
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    They are still called that way, the reason they are simply devils and demons in the SRD is that the names are not OGL AFAIK.
    More specifically, baatezu and tanar'ri are specific categories of devils and demons. I can't think of any significant non-baatezu devil types off the top of my head, but I definitely know 3.5 features several kinds of non-tanar'ri demons.
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    As the person who created Serrin's dad to begin with, the answer is that yes, they married because they fell in love with each other while in the same adventuring party together.
    I know that. I was just pointing out that it's unlikely she would go as far as marrying a member of another RACE just to prevent inbreeding.

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    I know that. I was just pointing out that it's unlikely she would go as far as marrying a member of another RACE just to prevent inbreeding.
    I know, and I was agreeing with you by backing up with what you were saying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ti'esar View Post
    More specifically, baatezu and tanar'ri are specific categories of devils and demons. I can't think of any significant non-baatezu devil types off the top of my head, but I definitely know 3.5 features several kinds of non-tanar'ri demons.
    I'm surprised the issue people found in this deeply flawed argument was with the wording rather than the fact that, in Greek mythology, erinyes were always female and probably true neutral, or at least not likely to try to start a huge war that would result in thousands of casualties.
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    And we care about Greek Mythology because? Aequar is a setting based on the rules of D&D 3.5 therefore it shouldn't matter if Erynes were originally all-female and Neutral, in D&D and by extension Aequar they are a type of Tanar'ri devil and that is eveything that should matter unless Coffee says otherwise, via Word of Goddess or in the actual comic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dusk Eclipse View Post
    And we care about Greek Mythology because? Aequar is a setting based on the rules of D&D 3.5 therefore it shouldn't matter if Erynes were originally all-female and Neutral, in D&D and by extension Aequar they are a type of Tanar'ri devil and that is eveything that should matter unless Coffee says otherwise, via Word of Goddess or in the actual comic.
    I believe they are just discussing greek mythology for the sake of greek mythology, and possibly comparing its differences with the comic. However, if they are trying to gleam possible future plot by using mythology in general as a reference, then yeah, that's not really going to work well. As one of my friends tells me from time to time, according to some of the earlier (and possibly original) sources of mythology for elves, they were impish humanoid creatures with long pointy ears that lived in the forests that would lure human children out of their villages and away from their parents, have the children live with them for entertainment of the elf for a while, before they finally get bored and kill them. I almost want to say they even ate the children also, but I don't recall with absolute certainty. I'll ask my friend for a more official explanation and description later when I can get in contact with him.
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    Yeah, D&D races and creatures are highly influenced by the more modern take on elves and other cretures; Tolkien' shadow is a pretty long one.
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