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2014-07-24, 05:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What did Malack do that made Nale hate him so much?
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2014-07-24, 10:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What did Malack do that made Nale hate him so much?
It is only possible to see him as "just a pig" because physically he is a short, scrawny (assuming that, given chosen profession) kid wearing a robe. If Pompey was a hulking, drooling brute, and carried weapons or armor, "creepy" and "dangerous" would jump right out at you.
People can be dangerous without looking dangerous. (Never mind the existence of magic. He cast--and therefore prepared--a still silent animate rope! *shudder* Definitely a creep.)Last edited by rodneyAnonymous; 2014-07-24 at 11:08 AM.
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2014-07-24, 11:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What did Malack do that made Nale hate him so much?
That said, frankly, I think presuming Nale would have said "No" had Pompey asked, "Can I rape her while we're waiting for your brother to get here?" is giving Nale credit he in no way earned. Pompey didn't, whether because he chose not to or because Nale chose not to let him or because Rich chose not to go there or think about it; assuming that the reason is entirely Option 2 and not at all Option 1 or Option 3 is just an assumption.
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2014-07-24, 02:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What did Malack do that made Nale hate him so much?
As it was set up, Malack was set to inherit Tarquin's successful scheme after his passing. There have been plenty of murders based on inheritance all through time.
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2014-07-24, 02:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What did Malack do that made Nale hate him so much?
To hear Nale tell it, he never especially cared for his father or his schemes. He didn't outright hate him as a kid, but I never got the impression that he appreciated him all that much either. Given that Tarquin's "sit back and direct from the shadows" policy is one of the things that Nale explicitly disliked about him, im skeptical that Nale would be all that upset about not being the next in line.
Last edited by Keltest; 2014-07-24 at 02:18 PM.
“Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”
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2014-07-24, 03:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What did Malack do that made Nale hate him so much?
It's possible that if Nale inherited the Empire, he would end the scheme and not continue his father's policy. With that said, looking at Nale's attitude toward his father giving him things, I think Nale would much prefer to conquer the Empire from his father than to inherit it.
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2014-07-24, 03:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What did Malack do that made Nale hate him so much?
“Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”
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2014-07-24, 06:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What did Malack do that made Nale hate him so much?
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2014-07-24, 07:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What did Malack do that made Nale hate him so much?
What did Malack do that made Nale hate him so much?
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2014-07-24, 09:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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2014-07-24, 10:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What did Malack do that made Nale hate him so much?
You're forgetting the fact that Nale murdered literally hundreds of Cliffport citizens as part of his plan - something that the Giant, in the WaXP commentary, explicitly states was meant to establish that he was as bad as Xykon, just much pettier in his goals and scale. I'm not sure he'd stand by that equivalence anymore, but I think it's dubious in the extreme to assume the Giant wanted the audience to regard Nale sympathetically in the Cliffport arc (to say nothing of the protagonist-centered morality involved).
As for the main question, if I had to absolutely choose between a "real" and "petty" reason for why Nale was planning Malack's death from the time he was nine, I'd go with petty just because I'm pretty sure that the primary reason Nale turned out the way he did is meant to be Tarquin. But barring a Linear Guild/Vector Legion prequel, I don't think there's any way we can ever be sure.
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2014-07-25, 03:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What did Malack do that made Nale hate him so much?
Actually, this might be a more serious reason than it sounds. Malack does at one point say that "only fools like Nale" resist the natural order of people following the orders of their superiors. And he says Nale has "always been a fool" and regrets teaching him, or something to that effect–this could suggest that Malack tried to teach Nale humility and this made him hate Malack more than anything. (Nale being a difficult student in this respect probably made the relationship pretty antagonistic on Malack's side too)
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2014-08-02, 10:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What did Malack do that made Nale hate him so much?
It's good that you linked to this comic, because it brings up a point that doesn't seem to be getting much air here. Malack's children are not actually children. Yes, he refers to them as his children, but his earlier conversation with Durkon makes it clear that he views his spawn as his children.
So it's not like Nale went out and killed a bunch of 9yo lizardfolk (or whatever the heck Malack is). He killed vampires (either thralls or free-willed, as I assume Malack might still think of them as his children even if free-willed). And the part I bolded implies that there might have been interference by them in one of Nale's plans.
Yes, I know Nale said he murdered them for practice. But it's also possible he decided to practice on them after they got in his way. Children interfere, so he kills them. Gets revenge on them AND practice in dealing with Malack.
it's also possible that this may just be one last insult to hurt Malack."That's a horrible idea! What time?"
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2014-08-02, 11:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What did Malack do that made Nale hate him so much?
We're talking Nale. "Overblown revenge for minor slights" Nale. Who tried to murder his brother for refusing to join his evil team. It doesn't have to be anything of significance.
Last edited by LadyEowyn; 2014-08-02 at 11:43 PM.
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2014-08-03, 10:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What did Malack do that made Nale hate him so much?
With how truly terrified Nale looks when Durkon is about to feed on him, I figured the answer is that Malack fed on Nale regularly, with Tarquin's permission. In Tarquin's mind I imagine sharing the feeding was the safest and fairest option before the whole scheme was set up.
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2014-08-03, 11:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What did Malack do that made Nale hate him so much?
While I would never think I would defend Tarquin (and indeed, while this is from one perspective a defense of Tarquin it is from another perspective a condemnation of him), I doubt very much that Tarquin consented to giving any measure of the blood of anyone in Tarquin's personal sphere when Malack could simply hunt and kill random peasants.
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2014-08-03, 12:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What did Malack do that made Nale hate him so much?
It is also possible that Nale didn't hate Malack - but his 9 year old mind set himself some task at random to focus on to avoid boredom which randomly turned out to be kill Malack, and that everything else was merely him striving towards that goal to prove to himself that he could do it.
Essentially a 'because he was there' reason.
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2014-08-03, 09:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What did Malack do that made Nale hate him so much?
I agree with those who think Nale's grudge against Malack is serious. Sure, Nale defines himself by taking disproportionate revenge over quasi-imagined slights. But Nale's revenge against Malack is different. When he sets his plan in motion against Malack, he doesn't gloat, he doesn't mock him. There's no flourish, no attempt to establish his superiority or cleverness. There's just pure, undiluted hatred - possibly the strongest expression of that emotion by anybody in the entire comic.
Now, assuming it isn't a petty revenge we're seeing, we can only speculate as to the actual cause. We know that Nale wanted to kill Malack since he was 9 years old (the Giant usually doesn't throw out random detail like this without a reason, which is why I suspect this point will come up again at a later time). We also know that Malack was Nale's teacher. A teacher-student relationship gone bad has plenty of potential for revenge. We can imagine that Nale's wasn't an easy pupil, nor was Malack a patient mentor. It's quite possible that Malack used Domination to discipline Nale in such circumstances. We know that Nale wants his independence above all; also, he wants to be top dog at all times. Being subjected to Malack's power would be the ultimate humiliation for him, enough to provoke an eternal grudge even in a less hateful character than Nale.Last edited by Gwynfrid; 2014-08-03 at 09:33 PM.
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2014-08-04, 06:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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2014-08-04, 06:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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2014-08-04, 07:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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2014-08-04, 08:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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2014-08-05, 06:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What did Malack do that made Nale hate him so much?
Hm, looks like I skimmed through the thread a little to fast. Can't really call that ninja'ing in this case. Oh well.
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2014-08-05, 11:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What did Malack do that made Nale hate him so much?
A fear/hatred of being dominated could explain him wanting to specialize in enchantment magic, beyond the complicated pseudo-bard gag.