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    Pixie in the Playground
     
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    Default Is my Animated Knife (Construct, Diminutive) too strong?

    Animated Knives and Cleavers (animated object), Diminutive

    HD: 4d10
    AC: 18 (+4 Dex, +4 Size)
    Speed: 0 ft / 40 ft fly
    BAB: +3
    Grapple: -9

    Str: 18
    Dex: 19
    Con: -
    Wis: 1
    Int: -
    Cha: 1

    Fort: +1
    Will: -4
    Ref: +5

    Attack: Slash +7 1d2+4 or Peirce +7 1d2+4

    I need to give it 2 feats and it has 14 skill points to spend.

    I also would like to require a reflex check to grapple the knives and cleavers, of DC 15, since they are so small and quick. Is there a way to that within the established rules? Is this fair to my PCs

    I'm aiming to pit 5-8 of these against a group of 5 level 4 PCs with the hopes that they will lock them in cabinets or drawers as an alternative to a strait fight.

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    Default Re: Is my Animated Knife (Construct, Diminutive) too strong?

    This belongs in the Homebrew section. However, I'm not sure it should have a Strength score. Given that it's a sword that's flying around, I think it should have no score. Attacking with a nonability is a +0 modifier. Which does lower its AB quite a bit, but the size and Dex mods to AC are a big plus. This is something that could also just be an annoying distraction, and a potentially one deadly if they're guarding their creator. They can get flanking attacks, or perhaps provide a flanking or Aid Another bonus to a stronger guardian.

    Another option is to give them Weapon Finesse as a bonus feat. That way they still have the AB, if not the damage. Incidentally I think a butcher's knife or cleaver is 1d4-1 damage. And now that I look at it, I think a Construct defaults to 10 Wis.
    Last edited by Jergmo; 2014-07-21 at 02:43 AM.

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    Default Re: Is my Animated Knife (Construct, Diminutive) too strong?

    Can this post me moved by any moderator viewing it?

    Also if I give it a Str of 1 and Weapon Finesse as a feat, it will retain the +7 AB but lose out on a lot of damage...

    I guess I can make up for it with numbers, perhaps add some frying pans or a pot.

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    Default Re: Is my Animated Knife (Construct, Diminutive) too strong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Minty88 View Post
    I need to give it 2 feats and it has 14 skill points to spend.
    No, as a creature with no Int score it does not gain any Feats or Skillpoints through hit dice.

    I also would like to require a reflex check to grapple the knives and cleavers, of DC 15, since they are so small and quick. Is there a way to that within the established rules? Is this fair to my PCs
    Grapple attempt already require a touch attack to get a hold for which this creature has an AC of 18 (because it is so small and quick).

    I'm aiming to pit 5-8 of these against a group of 5 level 4 PCs with the hopes that they will lock them in cabinets or drawers as an alternative to a strait fight.
    Depends on the group. One point to consider is that the party probably can't outrun the animated objects with their 40 ft. fly speed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Minty88 View Post
    Also if I give it a Str of 1 and Weapon Finesse as a feat, it will retain the +7 AB but lose out on a lot of damage...
    For the record, the Strength score of a diminutive animated object can be extrapolated to 6. But since your knifes have 4HD, Str 18 seems not out of the line to me.
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    Default Re: Is my Animated Knife (Construct, Diminutive) too strong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Minty88 View Post
    Can this post me moved by any moderator viewing it?

    Also if I give it a Str of 1 and Weapon Finesse as a feat, it will retain the +7 AB but lose out on a lot of damage...

    I guess I can make up for it with numbers, perhaps add some frying pans or a pot.
    The wise fellow above me beat me to it adding notes about grappling the thing. Look at it this way, though: picture the spellcaster of the party, at level 4. A bunch of high AB, high damage, high AC monsters may tear the mage apart. You want to pick two out of three at that level.

    Example: An ogre is high AB, high damage, but low AC/Will.
    Last edited by Jergmo; 2014-07-21 at 02:47 AM.

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    Default Re: Is my Animated Knife (Construct, Diminutive) too strong?

    Oh, I did not realize that they didn't get feats or skill points is that a feature for all constructs or just animated objects?

    EDIT: Oh, its the intelligence score that does it. My bad.

    Numbers it is then and the touch attack I forgot about too. I chose 40 ft flying specifically and 4 HD because I want them to figure out how I want them beat or figure out another creative way to do it.

    Oh, I don't think I want the to have a hardness score because I don't want it to be TOO hard if they go with the direct approach.

    Their master is a passive foe and he cast permanancy on the kitchenware.
    Last edited by Minty88; 2014-07-21 at 02:55 AM.

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