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Hello and welcome to the 4th iteration of the RWBY threads!
RWBY is an western made, anime style, 3d computer animation, freely available, web series, with variable length episodes, created by Monty Oum for Rooster Teeth.
RWBY is pronounced "ruby" and is an acronym for the four main team members: Red, White, Black, Yellow - aka Ruby, Weiss, Blake, Yang. All of the main characters have some folklore, fairy tale, or historical reference, but are very much their own characters and are not based on that reference. In addition, every character (with the only known exception of Ozpin) and team name is based on a colour. While some are obvious, others need to be traced back a fair way to find something that is associated with a colour.
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Volume 1 of RWBY has finished, and Volume 2 is underway!
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Spoiler: Volume 1 Chapter/Episode BreakdownChapter Title Episodes 1 Ruby Rose 1 2 The Shining Beacon 2 & 3 3 The First Step 4 & 5 4 The Emerald Forest 6 & 7 5 Players and Pieces 8 6 The Badge and The Burden 9 & 10 7 Jaunedice 11 & 12 8 Forever Fall 13 & 14 9 The Stray 15 10 Black & White 16
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First of all, that graph for the episode/chapter break down for Volume 1? That's a good idea, nice one Rawhide.
Anyway, lets do it! RWBY episode 2!
Episode 2: Welcome to Beacon (actually the episode title. Still don't know what episode 1 of this volume is called )
SpoilerWe start with a relatively nice overhead shot of Beacon, rising up to it's tower where Ozpin works and....I just...his tower is "half of a clock tower". There is one half of a clock face on it, with the other half just gone. This is a really stupid design choice.
Anyway, Glinda's with Ozpin, and she's complaining someone named Ironwood is annoying and "takes his work when he travels". Alright. No idea who Ironwood is, probably a teacher, and based on the name he's probably gray colour, and has some tie into a myth (I'm tempted to say he's The Huntsmen from Red Riding Hood, but that's bias from Fables breaching through).
Ozpin says that Ironwood runs a academy and a military...alright. He then says the ships flying around are an eyesore, with relation to Ironwood. So...Ironwood's the head master of Wukong's school and he keeps a ton of fighter jets with him at all times? That's what I'm getting from this.
Then Ironwood shows up! He's the dude from the opening that is with Penny and the other robot friends. So I was right that he IS gray in colour, but I'm guessing he's Ghepetto or something. Or that it doesn't matter what fairy tale thing and I'm just wasting my time thinking about it.
First name James, last name Ironwood. Alright. Fantasy name, gotcha. His voice acting isn't too terrible either. He's kind of a sleaze bag though, disgusting Glinda with his "it's been FAR too long since we've met" comment. She leaves, and Ozpin asks why he's here. And...wait, hold up. He asks Ironwood why he came from Atlas (their school) to watch the Vital Festival. Because the headmasters don't usually go do this. Why the hell not? This is a PRETTY important thing, you'd think all the headmaster's would get together to actually...you know, do headmastery things. This honestly just feels lazy, so they don't have to make other headmasters. And probably also to cover up some plot holes, because if the headmaster's don't show up they can't ask Mr So and So if this team or that team are actually part of their school.
Ironwood reaches into his model and pulls out a beer flask. His jacket doesn't even move an inch despite it allegidily being inside of it. Alright. Also Ironwood only wears one glove because REASONS. Probably has a robot hand.
Oh hey some actual development for the world. Crow said something that's got them all worried that the peace and harmony will be destroyed or something, so Ironwood brought all his army jets as a show of force. But Ozpin says they should try doing this more tactfully. I am really glad for this, because it develops the world. It shows that the people in charge know something is going to go down. They don't know what, and we don't know why they believe Crow, but something is clearly going to happen, and it's clear they're preparing for it.
Meanwhile team RWBY is playing poker in the library. No highschool student has ever used the library for it's intended purposes. I dislike that on principle, at least in real life. Oh, okay, it's some generic fantasy card game that leads to them parodying silly card game anime tropes. How funny. Oh wait not this is terrible
Yang randomly has a swirly pattern on his finger because other anime's do that when we get an extreme closeup of their single outstretched finger. Oh my god why is this happening this is the worst ****ing thing.
LOL TRAP CARD REFERENCE LOOK AT HOW FUNNY WE ARE GUYS COMEDY JOKES.
COMEDY JOKES!!!
Meawhile with a team I actually give a **** about, Nora is sleeping on a book with a big cartoon sleep bubble. Ren's...being Ren, and Jaune and Pyrrha are reading comic books. Alright. They ARE teenagers, comic books are a thing they'd read. I can get behind that.
...I'll admit I like the sight gag of Ren turning the page onto Nora's head like he doesn't even care. That is how stoic Ren is. He...kind of needs more then just that, but for now it's good.
Every second spent on this card game is another second of wanting to gouge my ears and eyes out. They're really laying on thick the "here are all a bunch of generic anime tropes that we are doing to prove that this is an anime guys!" ****, and it's really annoying. Also Yang's breasts where jiggling for like 5 seconds, someone forgot how to model again.
Also the waterfalls of tears that are on Weiss and Ruby are clipping through their outfits. This is really terrible.
Okay Jaune continues to prove he's the real protagonist by strait up calling Weiss "ice queen" which is awesome. He brags a little about being called a "natural born leader" and though this isn't really deserved at this point in the series, it'll be interesting (if more pointless time wasting) to see how he handles this esoteric poopy card game risk combination.
...****ing Weiss told team JNPR that Blake's a faunus. Weiss you are the worst person in existence.
Oh hey Wukong showed up. And he called everyone losers. I get it, he's a jokey, ribbing person. Guess what if someone called me loser a bunch, doesn't matter how much friends he is with my friends, I'd stop ****ing talking to him
Also everyone just sort of knows who Wukong is for some reason. Wukong says he's here to introduce bluehaired douche, and said Douche said "aren't libraries usually for reading?" to which Ren suddenly shouts "THANK YOU!" and this is actually really funny. The only reason I didn't actually LAUGH laugh is because I'm still steaming about all the other terrible comedy this episode so far.
Wukong says "Shut up, don't be a nerd" and I swear to god I don't understand how anyone thinks Wukong is a good character, let alone a good person. Bluehair says "upupup, intellectual." which also bothers me because just because you read books doesn't mean you're an intellectual.
He's Neptune. I don't care. Neptune tries to hit on Weiss and it works sort of. Blake then rage quits the game, and we cut to night where she's curled up in a ball in her room having audio flashbacks to all the Faunus and Whitefang stuff from last volume. This segways into a flashback to the night they messed up Roman's plans at the end of Volume 1. We also see Ozpin's weapon, which is a cane sword. Still calling that Roman is Ozpin or at least has some connection.
Ozpin mentions that in order to get into Beacon you need to pass a riggerous entrance exam. This begs the question of how Jaune got in. They will never touch on this because "Jaune snuck in" and that's all they really care about saying.
Blake says that since she was born outside the kingdoms, she had to fight to survive every day. This is further painting the picture that the three/four kingdoms are all safe zones in what is an apocolyptic nightmare world, to me at least, but we've yet to see any evidence of this (like when they went to those two forests).
The two have a rather intense discussion, and I have to applaud this. See, this is how you DO CHARACTERS! This is setting up more of Blake's back story, setting up a mystery of "maybe Blake knows more then she's letting on" and helps develop the world. Stuff like this should of happened much earlier. For what it's worth I think Blake is lying when she says she's got nothing else to tell him.
Flashback ends, Ruby Yang and Weiss come in. Yang is angry that the new guy beat them. They're being subtle and vague so we think it's Neptune but I'm guessing it's actually Jaune because that would be good writing. Blake goes to leave and Weiss is like "stop, you're been quiet late- ****ING HELL. Twice I've accidently navigated off the video because Rooster Teeth's site is stupid.
Anyway, Weiss says Blake has been quiet, antisocial, and moody. Yang makes a joke about how that's just how Blake is and I'm not amused because that's actually kind of rude. At first this seems like Weiss is actually concerned for her friend but due to the sudden animated white background with snowflakes on it and Weiss doing a triple flip jump to land infront of Blake and point at her throat that it's clear this is just another stupid generic anime trope **** they're using because "lol anime look at how funny we are". Barf.
Blake says her problem is that...she doesn't know how everyone can be so calm when it's clear the confirmed terrorists are plotting something really big. This is COMPLETELY ACCURATE and how an actual person would react to this situation. I approve of this so hard I don't even care that the models are so **** that their noses are virtually invisible when viewed from the front. Also Blake's hand bandages are clipping through her skin.
Slight problem with this scene. I'm sure Blake's reasoning for why they should be concerned is that they're huntsmen, they SHOULD be concerned, but...you're students. This isn't your fight. You're training, but like Weiss says, this IS a job for the police and the professional hunters. This is not your fight, weather you like it or not.
****ing SHUT THE **** UP RUBY OH MY GOD. She ended all this actually really good scene by having a super fast, poorly animated and lip synced scene where she says they should all take a vote on weather they should be the youngest hunter team to take down a huge crime syndacate. Which basically proves that all the good stuff in this scene is just coincidental, or that someone in the writing staff has no ****ing clue how to write.
Everyone agree's with Ruby's plan because this is terrible, and Ruby is sad that no one explicitly said aye like she asked. Okay that's kind of funny. Ruby forgot her board game though so she runs off to get it. Outside she runs into...Emerald and Mercury, who're dressed up in school clothes. Boy it sure is a good thing none of the HEadmasters from other school's showed up to confirm if the "students" are theirs or not. ****ing stupid.
CINDER IS ALSO HERE. CINDER'S LIKE A GROWN ****ING WOMAN, NO! She's NOT passing for a TEENAGER. This is bull****. And who's their fourth team mate to round out the team? Roman?
...Ruby doesn't immediately recognize Cinder. I'm okay with this because she only ever saw her as a shadow lady but she should at least recognize the voice.
Also, their school uniforms have arm bands on them. Subtle, Monty
Credit song is half decent. Credit's involves a picture that I think is fan art but I'm not sure. Yup, it's fanart.
HEY! HEY GUY WHO MADE THE FANART! Hope you realize that these guys are making money off of something YOU drew. If they don't pay you a cut sue them. You are within your right to do so, unless you're a ****ing idiot and let them use it for free.
Also the fan art, even if it's not THAT super well drawn, is still eons better then the poser models.
That's the episode! My thoughts?
Spoiler: V2E2IT was better then episode 1, that's for sure. But...there was so much stupid bull****. The card game was a waste of time and that entire scene was overloaded with "here is a bunch of tropes from anime. We are throwing them in even if it doesn't fit with our series because they are in anime and thus we need to. Look at how funny we are lol trap card reference we're funny comedy mans". Just ****ing stop it. Don't use tropes SOLELY FOR THE SAKE OF USING TROPES. THIS IS NOT HOW YOU WRITE. However, as bad as the card game scene was, it did give us the names of all the kingdoms, and told us a bit about them. It's a good way of getting exposition across without coming off as "this is clearly exposition", I just wish it wasn't hidden behind something so unfunny and annoying.
The scenes with Blake, specifically her flashback, and the small bit with Ironwood, where good for RWBY. They served to show growth in the world and characters (not even remotely enough but we'll make do with what we've got). It's clear that Ozpin has good intentions, as does Ironwood. But it's also clear their good intentions do not match and what is good for them may not be good for others. Blake's clearly hiding something, and it's giving a interesting bit of depth to her character. What could it be that she's still hiding? Something she's hiding that even Ozpin can't figure out just by looking at her. It's an interesting bit of character development, and is actually a development! Contrast this with Wukong and Neptune, who continue to be a flaming ******* and a generic douchebag "suave smart guy" character. Wukong's team is bad and three of our four main characters are getting basically zero respect or character growth. I'll admit that this is better then Volume 1, however.
I swear to god I'll be more positive, but it's hard to be when the positive is surrounded by negative. It's hard to be super positive when the positive things are "basic world and character building" and it's hard to elaborate on that beyond "well, this is literally a requirement for a story to work, so good job doing it." I'm really glad they're doing it, but we needed this stuff in higher quantities and earlier. It's much easier to tear into something for clear use of "tropes for the sake of tropes" and so on. I do still think there is a lot of potential, and the good parts of this episode 100% showed that maybe they do have the ability to do this. Now we just have to wait for the part where they DO.Last edited by LaZodiac; 2014-08-01 at 10:28 AM.
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Yay! We're back! Bring on more insightful discussion!
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Can you not lock prior threads unless they're being posted in past link? I had a minor panic attack when the thread was locked for no apparent reason >>;;
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Spoiler: V2E2Neptune strikes me as an attempt to show what Jaune would be like if things worked for him. Everything about him screams "the lucky Jaune" to me. He does the same gleaming teeth smile in the first episode, apparently dominates at tactical games (Jaune wouldn't be called "new guy" - he's probably not even called "vomit boy" anymore), and calls Weiss "Snow Angel" - and she smiles at him. You could see Jaune notices it, too. Neptune is being presented to be everything Jaune is, but better at all of it. Just as the poor kid finally gets something under his feet, it looks like it's being pulled out from under him.
So, yes, Neptune is likable. But there's also a subtly sinister tone to it. If he's not Jaune's rival (if not outright enemy) by the end of the volume, I'll be surprised.Spoiler: My inventory:
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Considering that locking of a thread is usually a sign that the thread has gone past the boundaries of the forum rules and is being examined by the staff so that infractions can be handed out, I think -not- giving people heart attacks might be more valuable than dramatic flare.
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Spoiler: V2 ep2I actually like Weiss being included in the anime silliness because it indicates that she's changing as a character. This show uses these tropes to highlight moments of levity, circa volume one Weiss was only drawn into them when the focus was on someone else (usually Ruby or Jaune). The fact that she's the one initiating anime comedy mode shows that over the course of the semester she is beginning to take herself a little less seriously.Last edited by Ronnoc; 2014-08-01 at 10:20 AM. Reason: Forgot about spoiler tags
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Actually, prior to this just happening, I have never seen a 50 page thread actually get locked. I was a regular poster in the Pokemon thread and am a regular poster in the League of Legends thread, both of which get lots of posts pretty quick.
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Noted, just remember to take a deep breath and not over react when something surprising happens. We don't need friends getting hurt because a thread they like got locked and they had a heart attack.
Remember to spoil stuff
As for what you've seen:Spoiler: V2E2I can kind of see that, but it doesn't seem like Weiss's character to do that stuff, she's doing it purely because someone has to and she'd be funnier to do it. And again, the "lol anime tropes" stuff isn't good in the slightest.
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Spoiler: V2E2Because abs, duh.
That's the episode! My thoughts? IT was better then episode 1, that's for sure. But...there was so much stupid bull****. The card game was a waste of time and that entire scene was overloaded with "here is a bunch of tropes from anime. We are throwing them in even if it doesn't fit with our series because they are in anime and thus we need to. Look at how funny we are lol trap card reference we're funny comedy mans". Just ****ing stop it. Don't use tropes SOLELY FOR THE SAKE OF USING TROPES. THIS IS NOT HOW YOU WRITE. However, as bad as the card game scene was, it did give us the names of all the kingdoms, and told us a bit about them. It's a good way of getting exposition across without coming off as "this is clearly exposition", I just wish it wasn't hidden behind something so unfunny and annoying.Last edited by Prime32; 2014-08-01 at 10:23 AM.
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Spoiler: JauneThe "rigorous testing" is for people who lack the traditional training, as a means of opening enrollment to a larger pool of applicants. Blake never went to a combat school, she doesn't have any means of qualifying for entry except through this testing. Jaune didn't go to a combat school either, but he obtained a fake transcript that said that not only did he go to one, but he scored well enough to qualify - no need for the special case testing. So Jaune gets in without a problem while Blake has to take the test.Spoiler: My inventory:
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Spoiler: V2E2
That is not what Ozpin said. He said that to get into the school, you needed to go through rigorous testing. Most students have combat school knowledge, WHICH MEANS THEY ARE PREPARED FOR SAID TESTING. It'd be like if Harvard needed you to do a math test to get into it. Kids who studied math wouldn't get a free pass, they'd have to take the math test. But they'd be more prepared then "random child off the street".
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I know this is how it's commonly used, but I should point out that it is not technically correct. See the Wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question
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Why do you always say "this is not how you write"? I propose an alternative: Maybe it's not that kind of series. This isn't a pure drama series where everything must be serious, it's a slapstick comedy drama. It has a lighthearted comedic tone (where inclusion of all the tropes make perfect sense), with dramatic elements.
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Spoiler: 2-2Personally, I think I'd like the cheesier scenes more if they didn't try to keep up the constant stream of jokes so much. They do let us see another side of the characters and it's nice to have a bit of levity to break up the drama, but if they focused more on what they can tell us about the characters they would be better. Even as-is, I still think it's good to have them.
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SpoilerZim has a medical exam coming up. To prevent being exposed as an alien, he starts stealing organs from other students and swallowing them. Deciding that "more organs = more human" he goes on to take far more than he needs, until he's morbidly obese and occasionally coughs up spleens. In the end the nurse looks down his throat and declares him extra-healthy for having "such plentiful organs".
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Ah, I hadn't known that, thanks.
Spoiler: V2E2I forgot that. Hopefully when Cinder reveals her powers Ruby will remember getting facestomped by it.
No there's a big difference between "it's not that kind of series" and what I'm saying. There is no series that should include tropes for the sake of tropes. Trope's are neither bad nor good, it's how you use them, and "hey, other anime does this stuff, so lets just throw in all these things other anime do to be more anime" is a wrong use. That is not how you write, and it ruins what integrity your work should have, be it a comedy or drama or a mix of the two or something else entirely. Putting in tropes because "the genre uses these tropes" is wrong, especially if it clashes with the style, and I feel it does and did.
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No. The closing of a thread is not the sign that a thread has gone past the boundaries of the forum. There are many reasons why a thread will get closed, and 50 pages is one of them. After a new thread is created, and the link to it is created, the old thread is usually closed. This is especially true with Random Banter. In this case, I was just able to do both at the same time, rather than there being a delay.
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I disagree. These aren't "tropes for the sake of tropes", these are references to anime staples for the sake of humour. It's not because they want to be "more anime", it's because they (accurately) think it would be funny.
I also disagree with the notion that "this is not how you write". You can write exactly how you want to write. If people don't push boundaries, if people don't try to break old chains, our stories and other art forms would never evolve.
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Spoiler: v2e2Good:
-Basic episode structure is again an appropriate mix of moods and character time and plot advancement.
-Ironwood gets clear character foundation, the way Emerald did, but more so. Explains what he's doing with Penny, anyway. That, IMO, means LaZodiac was right about the "teaching robots to be human" character arc Penny will go through, as part of establishing Ozpin's "children" culture as better than Ironwood's "fight a war" culture. Could be executed well or poorly. Keep an eye out.
-I guess 'the queen' has kept herself a sufficiently shadowy figure that Glinda didn't recognize Cinder as her in episode 1? Not many people have that kind of talent, but hey, good on Cinder for letting Roman be the visible face and potential fall guy.
-The deliberate ridiculousness of the tabletop game is a good mood-setter in the abstract, and yes, that thing with Yang messing around in Weiss' hand is an effective parody of how experienced players of a board/card game act around new players.
-Blake is paying attention. So is Ozpin.
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-Dialogue remains clunky. Whatever. Might as well get used to it.
-Did we really have to see that interaction between Ironwood and Glinda? Lame "setting this character up as a bit of an ass" moment. The best they could do? I hope not.
-Playing melodrama for giggles in silly scenes gets old really quick.
-So do anime references and visual gags.
-Weiss really is a thoughtless ass. Both for revealing Blake's secret and in the 'talk' with Blake.
-Neptune...now that I think about it, I kind of agree with Calemyr that he might be this volume's foil for Jaune, but that still doesn't make him a character, just an irritant with a narrative point. For that matter, Sun's more of an irritant than a character in this episode.
-No, Ozpin, playing both sides of good-cop-bad-cop yourself is not how you get someone to open up, and you should know better.
-Did they really have to do a completely forced callback to the trailers? Just let it come out when it matters, like the train robbery from last volume. Ugh, am I really praising the narrative quality of last season in comparison to this season? This segue makes no sense at all.
-Weiss' argument against forming a vigilante squad precedes the suggestion to form a vigilante squad. Her "we're students!" line would make a little more sense if Blake wasn't a former White Fang member. "Our enemies" is a nonsense construction for Blake to use. Then the writers contrive an immediate about-face for Weiss. It's apparent that the dialogue is driven by the writers rather than the characters, and that takes me right out of the story.
-And can we give Yang something to do?
-Cinder & co. sneaking in as exchange students is silly on so many levels. Come on, guys.
Silly
-Does the game really have to take place in a library? And then be called out for doing so?
-Does Ren really have to be reading backwards?
-Did Yang really have to activate a trap card?
-Everyone has to take a rigorous examination...except Ruby. And Jaune. Well, whatever.Last edited by Math_Mage; 2014-08-01 at 01:19 PM.
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Spoiler: HmmmA fair interpretation, I suppose. But not what I got out of it. Ozpin was being very specific about how those tests were meant for people outside of the school system. When I went to college I didn't need to take specific tests to get into it, for example. My GPA and ACT scores were sufficient to get me a place. Oh, there were tests afterwards to decide what level I would start in on subjects like math and so on, but that was after I was already accepted. And Beacon is a college, to my mind, as the age of the average entrant is 17.
Jaune's fake transcript is effectively his GPA and ACT scores. Those are supposed to be his test for entry. They say that he took his lessons, did his work, and proved that he knew the material. He cheated to get them, a fact that has bit him in the keister more than once already.Spoiler: My inventory:
1 Sentient Sword
1 Jammy Dodger (I was promised tea)
1 Godwin Point.
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Yeah, and it was just as bad.
Spoiler: V2E2The spiral fingerprint thing and the waterfall of tears don't fit the art style of RWBY at all, is part of what I meant there.
Spoiler: V2E2 just in case since I mentioned a thing or two.
I'd disagree. I do not find it funny. And references are not inherently funny. Yang referencing Yugioh is not funny. I would argue that throwing in all these anime tropes "for the sake of humour" is the exact same as throwing it in for the sake of tropes. Because instead of actually writing a joke you're saying "and then an anime thing happened".
You can push the boundries without throwing tropes at your plot until a story and characters show up. Nothing RWBY has done is genre busting or boundry pushing. It's derivative shlock at this current point in time, with some interesting possible plot threads for us to grab onto and hold on for dear life.
@Math_Mage:Spoiler: V2E2Well see Ren has to read "backwards" because his name is Japanese and Japanese read things backwards. Wait no Japan doesn't exist in this universe he just has a random name and is reading backwards because reasons.
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