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2014-08-13, 09:04 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Most nonsensical ban you've played under
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And doing so is increadibly easy. Each and every one of these process require some time, and take a clear direction far before their final accomplishment. And at that point...
DM : Suddenly, a portal to the astral plane opens in front of you. A kobold, obviously hostile, comes from it. Roll initiative.
[Rolls]
DM : The kobold attacks you.
[Rolls anything but a 1]
DM : He hits you for [arbitrary high STR modifier + whatever damage dice the kobold have]. You're dead. He then takes your body with him, opens another portal and leaves. You may tear your character sheet, since nobody will ever be able to raise you.
Player : But... WHY?!?
DM : Because Pun-pun was on the road to ultimate power first, and he hates your guts.
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2014-08-13, 09:13 AM (ISO 8601)
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2014-08-13, 09:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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2014-08-13, 01:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Most nonsensical ban you've played under
I'm not sure why people are using Thrallherd to justify claims that Psion is tier one. Thrallherd raises the power of the base class by two tiers, but it's a separate class and therefore has no bearing on the Psion's tier.
For that matter, Erudite's a separate class too, so that doesn't impact the Psion's tier either.
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2014-08-13, 01:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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2014-08-13, 01:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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2014-08-13, 01:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Most nonsensical ban you've played under
In the same sense that my "homebrew variant fighter" gets Warblade progression in maneuvers, int-based class features, and counts as fighter-2 for all feats requiring fighter levels, is technically the same class as the fighter, maybe. ;)
More seriously, the Psion and Erudite are SO different that they're functionally different classes.
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2014-08-13, 01:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Most nonsensical ban you've played under
Except that the tier system doesn't deal with TO. It deals with the power of a class's out-of-the-box abilities. If your DM-dependent TO depends on you stealing an Erudite's class abilities (and by the way, unless you're a Thrallerd there is nothing RAW about assuming there will be an Erudite in your game) then you're not showcasing the power of the Psion. You're showcasing the power of a StP Erudite.
Rules as written, a Sorcerer gets Gate out-of-the-box. That's powerful.
Rules as written, a Psion does NOT get a friendly StP Erudite out-of-the-box. It is entirely up to the DM, and thus has no place in a conversation about RAW. You may assume that logically there should be StP Erudites in a world with a Psion, and while that's a fine houserule (oh wait, it breaks the Psion. Guess it's not such a good houserule after all!) it's not RAW. And it's PO even less.
Sure, you can have a Thrallherd Psion that, by RAW, can get a StP Erudite. But if you go down that road then I might as well introduce you to Serf Mcleadership, a level 20 Commoner with a Wizard cohort.Last edited by Owl Prowler; 2014-08-13 at 01:57 PM.
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2014-08-13, 02:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Most nonsensical ban you've played under
Most people see a half orc and and think barbarian warrior. Me on the other hand? I think secondary trap handler and magic item tester. Also I'm not allowed to trick the next level one wizard into starting a fist fight with a house cat no matter how annoying he is.
Yes I know it's sarcasm. It's a joke. Pale green is for snarking
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2014-08-13, 02:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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- In the Playground, duh.
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2014-08-13, 02:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Most nonsensical ban you've played under
I think he means vosotros form, which is 2nd person plural (and mostly used only in Spain).
English used to have a second person singular: thee/thou/thy/thine. You/you/your/yours was 2nd person plural. It's taken over as the sole second person form, in modern English.
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2014-08-13, 02:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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- In the Playground, duh.
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2014-08-13, 02:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Most nonsensical ban you've played under
Most people see a half orc and and think barbarian warrior. Me on the other hand? I think secondary trap handler and magic item tester. Also I'm not allowed to trick the next level one wizard into starting a fist fight with a house cat no matter how annoying he is.
Yes I know it's sarcasm. It's a joke. Pale green is for snarking
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2014-08-13, 03:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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2014-08-13, 03:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Most nonsensical ban you've played under
The word you're looking for in this situation is in fact "y'all".
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2014-08-13, 03:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Most nonsensical ban you've played under
I never said modern English was butchered. Though I will confess that having thee/thou/thy/thine around again would amuse me.
English is actually a very precise language in a lot of ways, and American English in particular has a habit of following other languages down back alleys, clubbing them over the head, and rifling through their lexicons that I think is very healthy for its evolution.
Words have power, not because of any mystical thing, but because they let the human brain define something in a form that allows it to link similar concepts together and conceive of new things in new ways. I find that, every time I learn a new word, I find concepts relating to it that had always been there but which I had not yet recognized. I think that's the source of the myth that names have power and knowing a things name gives you power over it: people who know words for things were able to conceive of ways to utilize them which were alien and mysterious to those who lacked that understanding. This is more true the more abstract the concept, of course. "Schadenfrued" is a useful term, but certainly doesn't describe a solid object to which one could point.
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2014-08-13, 03:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Most nonsensical ban you've played under
Oh I'm not denying that new words are a wonderful thing so long as a proper amount of specificity in terms is maintained. If it is maintained communication issues become less common. It is also optimal in language building to make fairly simple to understand rules that don't get excepted out every five seconds. Systems that break this rule tend to be harder to teach which is a very bad thing for what is supposed to the basis of communication, information storage, and definition of thought process over simple sensory concepts.
Most people see a half orc and and think barbarian warrior. Me on the other hand? I think secondary trap handler and magic item tester. Also I'm not allowed to trick the next level one wizard into starting a fist fight with a house cat no matter how annoying he is.
Yes I know it's sarcasm. It's a joke. Pale green is for snarking
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2014-08-13, 03:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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2014-08-13, 03:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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2014-08-13, 03:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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2014-08-13, 04:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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2014-08-13, 04:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Most nonsensical ban you've played under
usually this kind of DM/Group come to the realization that they're using the wrong system and switch over to something more fitting. I've pointed at least one group like this toward 7th sea and got thanked later since it was a much better fit for what they wanted to achieve.
The difference between the possible and the impossible, is the measure of a man's determination.
-Capt. James Thain
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2014-08-13, 04:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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You see, it's called the Reverse Special Snowflake Syndrome. The DM is attempting to make the PCs feel insignificant and unremarkable by saying "No, you can't have magic, because magic is for special people in this setting, and you aren't special."
...I'm sorry, I thought we came here to play as the special people. I guess I'll go ahead and grab five ranks of Profession(farmer) and go off on my merry way to be a Commoner!
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2014-08-13, 04:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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2014-08-13, 05:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Most nonsensical ban you've played under
English is the murderhobo of languages. Heck, just look at the 11 core classes in 3.5 - barbarian, cleric, and monk ultimately come from Greek, bard and druid are Celtic, and paladin and sorcerer are Latinate. Only fighter and ranger actually come from the same place the language itself did.
(The origin of rogue is apparently uncertain. It has a stealthy etymology. I guess one day the word decided to come out of the shadows and do a sneak attack, only to fail because languages don't have discernible anatomies.)
On-topic: I've been banned (sort of) from playing a character whose name starts with B before.
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2014-08-13, 05:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Most nonsensical ban you've played under
I played under an effective ban on divination. We could only use it when the DM approved it, and at no other times. The most irritating part was that he gave no reason, even for something I could see, like arcane eye, or locate object, an after I had used detect magic.
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2014-08-13, 05:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Most nonsensical ban you've played under
I could understand a DM not wanting to put up with scrying, because either A) he doesn't know how to make sure his dastardly plans are protected from that and therefore uses his DM fiat to slap down the concept, or B) because he doesn't actually know what the people you're scrying on are doing and therefore uses his DM fiat to slap down the concept. And maybe therefore is just concealing his incompetence with the big scary divinations by banning ALL the divinations?
Last edited by Milodiah; 2014-08-13 at 05:16 PM.
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2014-08-13, 05:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Most nonsensical ban you've played under
Not being able to deviate from your original class. If you wanted to take a second class you had to have a mentor with you teaching you and it reduced your rate of leveling up.
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2014-08-13, 05:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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2014-08-13, 05:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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