Unprovable OOTS Therories

[multilis]

The last reality strip of OOTS: http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0014.html

Roy fell asleep and the rest of comics so far is his crazy dream.

Which is easier to believe... that Roy got into good afterlife after happily slaughtering (only mostly evil) goblins in their sleep in their homes in #11, similar with wanting to slaughter ogres in sleep on basis of word of one person, or that Roy just imagined he got into good afterlife? Lots of hints on how V killing what thought was "always evil" black dragons was enough to be major alignment downgrade, how much more so for poor possibly innocent only mostly evil creatures not proven to have done anything wrong?

But does that mean that Miko was only just a dream? YES... Miko is symbolic of Roys immature sexuality, his love/hate relationship with his ideal woman.

He is untrusting of his teammates, crazy relationship with his father and sister, crazy visions of grandeur in thinking he could be in quest to save world, etc... Roy is in serious need of a psychiatrist!

[martianmister]

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Xykon wasn't actually joking about his fears of lichification. But he choose to do it anyway because it was the only way to escape and reclaim his magic. Coffee incident is the reality check and he finally understand the full complications of his actions.

[Keltest]

The last reality strip of OOTS: http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0014.html

Roy fell asleep and the rest of comics so far is his crazy dream.

Which is easier to believe... that Roy got into good afterlife after happily slaughtering (only mostly evil) goblins in their sleep in their homes in #11, similar with wanting to slaughter ogres in sleep on basis of word of one person, or that Roy just imagined he got into good afterlife? Lots of hints on how V killing what thought was "always evil" black dragons was enough to be major alignment downgrade, how much more so for poor possibly innocent only mostly evil creatures not proven to have done anything wrong?

But does that mean that Miko was only just a dream? YES... Miko is symbolic of Roys immature sexuality, his love/hate relationship with his ideal woman.

He is untrusting of his teammates, crazy relationship with his father and sister, crazy visions of grandeur in thinking he could be in quest to save world, etc... Roy is in serious need of a psychiatrist!

Unfortunately that's not so much unprovable as explicitly not the case per word of Giant.

Different dream, but the point still stands.

[multilis]

Unfortunately that's not so much unprovable as explicitly not the case per word of Giant.

Different dream, but the point still stands.

Matter of what you consider proof, any theory here could be "proven" or "unproven" by a word of someone called "Giant", "Snarl", "Oracle", "Banjo" or whoever claims to be the surpreme God, DM, GM, etc. Some will even claim this story is a work of fiction rather than based on historical fact. Why not let the facts speak for themselves rather than blindly follow the word of your god?

If your god "Giant" wrote that Belkar was always an innocent lawful good alignment and was only wearing an evil tainted artifact (like Roy was when he dreamed of Miko detecting him as evil because of X's crown) would you also blindly accept that as fact?

[Jaxzan Proditor]

Matter of what you consider proof, any theory here could be "proven" or "unproven" by a word of someone called "Giant", "Snarl", "Oracle", "Banjo" or whoever claims to be the surpreme God, DM, GM, etc. Some will even claim this story is a work of fiction rather than based on historical fact. Why not let the facts speak for themselves rather than blindly follow the word of your god?

If your god "Giant" wrote that Belkar was always an innocent lawful good alignment and was only wearing an evil tainted artifact (like Roy was when he dreamed of Miko detecting him as evil because of X's crown) would you also blindly accept that as fact?

I think there's a difference between the "well, it's not explicitly contradicted" unprovable that most "theories" in here follow, and "the Giant has explicitly said this is not so".

[Jay R]

Matter of what you consider proof, any theory here could be "proven" or "unproven" by a word of someone called "Giant", "Snarl", "Oracle", "Banjo" or whoever claims to be the surpreme God, DM, GM, etc. Some will even claim this story is a work of fiction rather than based on historical fact.

Oh, good one. I love your hilarious unprovable (but clearly false) OOTS theory.

[CaDzilla]

SPG is the one true god

[orrion]

Matter of what you consider proof, any theory here could be "proven" or "unproven" by a word of someone called "Giant", "Snarl", "Oracle", "Banjo" or whoever claims to be the surpreme God, DM, GM, etc. Some will even claim this story is a work of fiction rather than based on historical fact. Why not let the facts speak for themselves rather than blindly follow the word of your god?

The facts aren't speaking because you didn't present any. All you presented was an interpretation of events.

One that has been said to be explicitly wrong. Also dumb - what would be gained by such a dream sequence?

If your god "Giant" wrote that Belkar was always an innocent lawful good alignment and was only wearing an evil tainted artifact (like Roy was when he dreamed of Miko detecting him as evil because of X's crown) would you also blindly accept that as fact?

Argumentum ad absurdum doesn't help your cause.

[DaggerPen]

The facts aren't speaking because you didn't present any. All you presented was an interpretation of events.

One that has been said to be explicitly wrong. Also dumb - what would be gained by such a dream sequence?



Argumentum ad absurdum doesn't help your cause.

I'm, uh, I'm pretty sure multilis' s comments are firmly tongue in cheek here.

[togapika]

Theory: Durkon's younger brother will come to save him from the creature controlling his mind by leading a rag-tag team of teenagers who can polymorph into any animal they touch

[Domino Quartz]

Theory: Durkon's younger brother will come to save him from the creature controlling his mind by leading a rag-tag team of teenagers who can polymorph into any animal they touch

I thought this thread was for serious theories about what's already happened/been observed in the comic, not silly random future predictions.

[orrion]

Theory: Durkon's younger brother will come to save him from the creature controlling his mind by leading a rag-tag team of teenagers who can polymorph into any animal they touch

You might want to look up the definition of the word "theory."

[ti'esar]

I thought this thread was for serious theories about what's already happened/been observed in the comic, not silly random future predictions.

I thought the word "unprovable" kind of suggested against that.

[Keltest]

I thought the word "unprovable" kind of suggested against that.

The level of seriousness may vary, but I think we can safely discount "Rich decides to completely steal the plot from a different work at the last minute" as a realistic scenario.

[Jay R]

The level of seriousness may vary, but I think we can safely discount "Rich decides to completely steal the plot from a different work at the last minute" as a realistic scenario.

Of course. It was somebody's throwaway joke. Laugh, forget it, and move on.

[Uigeadaily]

Xykon’s crown is not a halfling-sized piece of royal headwear but instead a key component to an elaborate anti-magic locking mechanism which seals the entrance to Kraagor’s tomb. One that Team Evil spend weeks trying to figure out how to open before realising that the answer is right under their noses...or on their heads.

Sure, “The power of physical might” is all well and good, but would it be too much to suspect that a master rogue like Serini might be inclined to put a solid padlock over the door to keep things out...or in?

[orrion]

Xykon’s crown is not a halfling-sized piece of royal headwear but instead a key component to an elaborate anti-magic locking mechanism which seals the entrance to Kraagor’s tomb. One that Team Evil spend weeks trying to figure out how to open before realising that the answer is right under their noses...or on their heads.

Sure, “The power of physical might” is all well and good, but would it be too much to suspect that a master rogue like Serini might be inclined to put a solid padlock over the door to keep things out...or in?

Ok.. but there's nothing that indicates Serini has any connection to the crown. The crown was Fyron's, and he was a human living in Cliffport.

Besides, if there were a small crown-shaped slot in a door I'm pretty sure it wouldn't take very long for Xykon or Redcloak to go "What the hell, we'll try the crown on my/your head."

[YossarianLives]

The giant, half-fiendish salad spinners are going to take over the world! Run for your lives!

[UristMcRandom]

The MitD is the heavily-templated snail from SSDT.

Also, Banjo is the Eastern Pantheon compressed and reborn in the form of a small puppet.

[AbyssStalker]

Durkon is discovered to be fake by his new-found amiability with trees.

Also, Durkon got the cleric shown in earlier strips pregnant

[littlebum2002]

Durkon is discovered to be fake by his new-found amiability with trees.

Also, Durkon got the cleric shown in earlier strips pregnant

I honestly think your second theory is actually quite plausible. Although I think some splatbook has rules for magical birth control, somehow I doubt they had it in a dungeon.

[MrMercury]

I have a big one, but it might be disproven with prequel material I didn't have the occasion to read.

The Dark One, the divinity worshipped by Redcloak, is actually an avatar of (or actively working with) the Snarl itself.
It's big plan is to move the gate to the astral plane, force it open, then give to the gods the exact same fate they gave him : imprisonning them in the core of a world of it's own design, forever.
The whole point of having gates built on the rifts could be to allow displacement of said rifts to the astral plane, and therefore might be part of it's plan, turning the cast from the crayon times into it's unwitting pawns.
This also explain why it doesn't do anything to go out of open rifts like in Azure City (the gods certainly noticed a rift that big, and it wants them to think it's still trapped), why it attacked Laurin (she intended to actively take stuff from the other side of the rift, wich would definitely have attracted the gods attention, maybe even warned them about it's final goal), and why nothing alive exists on that other world yet (it can't properly finish it before the gods are trapped inside).

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The Dark One is a legit Goblin God, elevated due to a year of killing in his name when he got betrayed. So your theory is implausible, unfortunately

[ti'esar]

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The Dark One is a legit Goblin God, elevated due to a year of killing in his name when he got betrayed. So your theory is implausible, unfortunately

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Strictly speaking, that's only what the goblins believe. Nothing written in crayon can be taken as the absolute truth.

[Jaxzan Proditor]

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Strictly speaking, that's only what the goblins believe. Nothing written in crayon can be taken as the absolute truth.

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Yeah, it's possible that Cazero is right and what Redcloak believes is merely what the "Dark One" wants him to believe. It's a bit of a long shot, but stranger things have happened.

[AbyssStalker]

The IFCC whisk Vaarsuvius away before he falls in combat, possibly heal (or empower) him and then send him back at a convenient time. To further their own plans of course, I mean V is too large of an investment to let die.

[littlebum2002]

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Yeah, it's possible that Cazero is right and what Redcloak believes is merely what the "Dark One" wants him to believe. It's a bit of a long shot, but stranger things have happened.

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Actually, actually, that's what Redcloak SAYS he believes. We don't know if he is a reliable narrator or not.

[Keltest]

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Actually, actually, that's what Redcloak SAYS he believes. We don't know if he is a reliable narrator or not.

He is most definitely NOT a reliable narrator, in that he allows his biases to color his narration. However we have no reason at this time to believe that his entire expressed motivation is actually a lie. There is room for the Dark One to be deceiving him (though Jerix's experience while dead seems to lean way from that), however its unlikely that Redcloak is actually a deliberate and willing minion of the Snarl.

[Tiktik Ironclaw]

I have a couple simple theories with no real effect on the narrative as a whole.

The first is that, in the beginning of the comic, Roy hated Élan for another reason than his constant buffoonery: he was a bard. In DStP, he says that Eric probably would have been a bard, which would mean he'd be in Elan's role in all likelihood. So, Roy may have thought, "Why does he get to live and not him?", before he came to his senses.

Th second is that Zz'dtri yet lives. I thought about this when someone joked that the X's were fake. If you look at the aftermath when the EoS takes the crater, Z's corpse isn't in the pit, so perhaps his patron (maybe a priestess) came and revived him. I can only hope.

[orrion]

I have a couple simple theories with no real effect on the narrative as a whole.

The first is that, in the beginning of the comic, Roy hated Élan for another reason than his constant buffoonery: he was a bard. In DStP, he says that Eric probably would have been a bard, which would mean he'd be in Elan's role in all likelihood. So, Roy may have thought, "Why does he get to live and not him?", before he came to his senses.

Th second is that Zz'dtri yet lives. I thought about this when someone joked that the X's were fake. If you look at the aftermath when the EoS takes the crater, Z's corpse isn't in the pit, so perhaps his patron (maybe a priestess) came and revived him. I can only hope.

I don't think Roy ever "hated" Elan, so I have a hard time buying into that theory.

Far as Z goes, he wasn't killed in the pit and so there's no reason for his corpse to be seen. I also don't see why you think the EoS would have just left the corpse lying around in the first place.

[littlebum2002]

I think there's a fine line between "hating someone" and "leaving them to die"