Pokémon Thread XXIII: The Thread With No Name

[AtlanteanTroll]

They literally don't care about the VGC play style when determining their own meta.

Evidently. Which is fine, it's good news to me. I'm just confused as to when/why it was removed after having been in there for quite some time.

[boj0]

Evidently. Which is fine, it's good news to me. I'm just confused as to when/why it was removed after having been in there for quite some time.

As far as I'm aware, Smogon has never enforced Item Clause. It's not a matter of when/why they removed it, it was never there to remove.

[Hytheter]

Smogon predates the VGC by 5 years, so there's that. I don't know when exactly they came up with their ruleset, but it likely had nothing to do with the VGC rules.

[AtlanteanTroll]

Item Clause was definitely a thing during Gen IV, or I have memory is far worse than I ever imagined...

[OracleofWuffing]

Looks like Smogon had a facebook post on it last year. Er, looks like Smogon has a facebook.

Item Clause is one of the few clauses that exists in the VGC Metagame that doesn't exists in Smogon Metagames. One advantage of Item Clause is that it increases the predictability of the battle when only one Pokemon can hold an item (such as Choice Scarf), while also increasing the diversity in the items that Pokemon will use, such as more Type Gems and Type Resist Berries. On the other hand, item clause is viewed as an unnecessary ban fixes a problem that isn't really there, adding a rule where one isn't needed.

I also found a thread on Smogon's forums from 2007 (roughly when Gen 4 was released outside of Japan) where people were discussing whether or not it should remain standard, so it probably trickled out of usage from there.

I kinda imagine the only reason why it remains in official play is just friction from the GSC era, when the only real worthwhile items were Leftovers and the status restoring berry, so everyone loaded up on those.

[Sasaisen]

So the summer has been busy for me. (I've only logged ~150 hours over the past three months - the shame!) However, my list of breeding leftovers has only grown. All have at least 4 good IVs, are completely free for you to take, and are first-come/first-serve. If you had previously asked me for something, and would still like it, ask again, as I don't remember whom I traded with before I disappeared. If you want to set up a particular time for trading, PM away; otherwise, I'll trade when you pop up online.

People waiting on Pokemon:

• Kuulvheysoon - Drifloon, Pumpkaboo-S

Spoiler: The List

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Species	Quantity	Nature	Ability	Egg (or High-Level) Moves
Squirtle	4	Modest	Rain Dish	Water Spout, Dragon Pulse, Aura Sphere, Mirror Coat
Gastly	17	Timid	Levitate	Clear Smog, Haze, Perish Song, Disable
Cubone*	15	Brave	Lightning Rod	Detect, Belly Drum, Iron Head, Perish Song
Scyther	7	Adamant	Technician	Baton Pass, Counter, Quick Guard, Night Slash
Eevee	5	Bold	Adaptability or Run Away	Curse, Wish, Yawn, Stored Power
Porygon*	2	Relaxed	Trace
Marill	29	Adamant	Huge Power	Aqua Jet, Perish Song, Belly Drum, Body Slam
Misdreavus	12	Timid	Levitate	Curse, Skill Swap, Destiny Bond, Nasty Plot
Gliscor	3	Careful	Immunity	Baton Pass, Counter, Agility, Night Slash
Larvitar	5	Jolly	Guts	Stealth Rock, Pursuit, Dragon Dance, Iron Head
Torchic	5	Adamant	Speed Boost	Night Slash, Crush Claw, Baton Pass, Counter
	7	Jolly	Speed Boost	Night Slash, Crush Claw, Baton Pass, Counter
Shroomish	12	Adamant	Poison Heal	Bullet Seed, Focus Punch
	5	Adamant	Quick Feet	Bullet Seed, Focus Punch
Sableye	4	Calm	Prankster	Sucker Punch, Metal Burst, Recover, Trick
Anorith	1	Adamant	Battle Armor	Cross Poison, Knock Off, Aqua Jet, Rapid Spin
Shuppet	9	Careful	Frisk	Pursuit, Disable, Phantom Force, Destiny Bond
Duskull	14	Impish	Levitate	Destiny Bond, Pain Split, Skill Swap
Clamperl	46	Modest	Shell Armor	(Shell Smash)
Bagon	35	Lonely	Rock Head	Dragon Pulse, Dragon Dance, Dragon Rush, Hydro Pump
Beldum	16	Adamant	Clear Body
Chimchar	6	Jolly	Iron Fist	Fire Punch, Thunder Punch, Fake Out
Drifloon	9	Modest	Unburden	Weather Ball, Tailwind, Defog, Destiny Bond
Spiritomb	27	Bold	Pressure	Shadow Sneak, Pain Split, Destiny Bond, Foul Play
Skorupi	3	Adamant	Battle Armor
	6	Careful	Battle Armor	Agility, Whirlwind, Confuse Ray
	18	Jolly	Sniper	Agility, Whirlwind, Confuse Ray
Croagunk	5	Jolly	Dry Skin	Fake Out, Drain Punch, Quick Guard, Counter
Rotom	25	Bold	Levitate
Timburr	3	Adamant	Guts	Drain Punch, Mach Punch
Venipede	23	Adamant	Speed Boost	Spikes, Toxic Spikes
Darumaka	5	Jolly	Hustle	Encore, Focus Punch, Yawn
Scraggy	11	Jolly	Moxie	Ice Punch, Drain Punch, Dragon Dance, Zen Headbutt
Yamask*	6	Sassy	Mummy	Nasty Plot, Toxic Spikes, Disable
Frillish	2	Modest	Water Absorb	Pain Split, Confuse Ray
	14	Calm	Water Absorb	Pain Split, Confuse Ray
	14	Calm	Cursed Body	Pain Split, Confuse Ray
Ferroseed*	9	Sassy	Iron Barbs	Leech Seed, Gravity, Stealth Rock, Spikes
Litwick	2	Timid	Flash Fire	Haze, Clear Smog
	5	Timid	Infiltrator	Haze, Clear Smog
Cubchoo	9	Jolly	Snow Cloak	Focus Punch, Night Slash, Yawn, Play Rough
Mienfoo	7	Jolly	Regenerator	Knock Off, Baton Pass, Me First
Golett	10	Adamant	Iron Fist
Pawniard	10	Jolly	Defiant	Pursuit, Sucker Punch, Stealth Rock, Psycho Cut
Vullaby	6	Impish	Overcoat	Foul Play, Mean Look, Knock Off
Deino	61	Hasty	Hustle	Earth Power
Fletchling	18	Adamant	Gale Wings	Quick Guard, Tailwind
	6	Jolly	Gale Wings	Quick Guard, Tailwind
	10	Careful	Gale Wings
Skiddo	30	Careful	Sap Sipper
	11	Adamant	Sap Sipper
Honedge	11	Quiet	No Guard
Spritzee*	8	Relaxed	Aroma Veil	(Aromatherapy), (Moonblast), Disable, Wish
*	5	Relaxed	Healer	(Aromatherapy), (Moonblast), Disable, Wish
Tyrunt	3	Adamant	Strong Jaw	Dragon Dance, Fire Fang, Ice Fang, Thunder Fang
Amaura	2	Modest	Refrigerate	Haze, Barrier, Mirror Coat, Discharge
Hawlucha	3	Adamant	Limber	Quick Guard, Me First
	12	Adamant	Unburden	Quick Guard, Me First
Phantump*	12	Sassy	Natural Cure	(Leech Seed), (Forest's Curse), (Destiny Bond), (Horn Leech)
Pumpkaboo (Small)	12	Jolly	Frisk	Disable, Destiny Bond

*This was bred for a Trick Room team. If the Speed IV is marked as "good", it's a 0.

[Quietus]

Well, once the worst has happened, you can at least move on to start picking up the pieces. Long story short, my grandfather died late Tuesday night. It wasn't really unexpected, we knew it was just a matter of time (though we'd all expected days rather than hours since Mum had last seen him), but it still hits as hard. But - in some ways... the uncertainly is over. The dreaded call finally came, and now we can move on. And grim though it is, it does alleviate some of the stress for us all in making all the extra visits to see him and taking Nanny to see him (which my Mum - who is disabled herself - found very draining. Necessary, of course, and without complaint, but even so, it has been a hard few months since Nanny has had a rough spot herself, though she's got back to pretty good (as far as it goes).

And he had is faculties at the end, wasn't alone (even if he'd passed by the time we got ther,e the nurses were with him and somehow I think he'd prefer it that way; he never did like a fuss being made over him) and he'd spent his last day looking at photos of all the family and knew he was well-loved and we were all safe.

So we take what comfort we can from that.

I'm sorry to hear all that, times like this are never easy. It sounds like he went out more or less in a way that was acceptable to him, though, and that's something to embrace. I hope you all manage well with everything over the next little while.

To carry forward - I'll keep an eye open for you, and next time I see you on, I'll let you know what your third Safari 'mon is.

One of these days, I need to learn how to breed decent pokemon...

As mentioned, Google is your friend now; I'm willing to bet what we could bash out during a lunch hour won't be more useful than what others have published. If you have specific questions, however, I'm sure we would be happy to answer them for you.

[Sylthia]

Well, once the worst has happened, you can at least move on to start picking up the pieces. Long story short, my grandfather died late Tuesday night. It wasn't really unexpected, we knew it was just a matter of time (though we'd all expected days rather than hours since Mum had last seen him), but it still hits as hard. But - in some ways... the uncertainly is over. The dreaded call finally came, and now we can move on. And grim though it is, it does alleviate some of the stress for us all in making all the extra visits to see him and taking Nanny to see him (which my Mum - who is disabled herself - found very draining. Necessary, of course, and without complaint, but even so, it has been a hard few months since Nanny has had a rough spot herself, though she's got back to pretty good (as far as it goes).

And he had is faculties at the end, wasn't alone (even if he'd passed by the time we got ther,e the nurses were with him and somehow I think he'd prefer it that way; he never did like a fuss being made over him) and he'd spent his last day looking at photos of all the family and knew he was well-loved and we were all safe.

So we take what comfort we can from that.

Okay, that was... not all that short in the end but I do tend to go on a bit at times like this...

Aaaanyway, back on topic.



Both are in the OP (but name is Bleakbane for reference). Added both you and JustPlayItLoud.



I also had another stab at the Great Charmander Breeding Project and I appear to have got at least a couple of female Solar Power Charmanders - literally my next job is going to go check their IVs and see how good they are before I can start back on the next round.

Sorry for your loss. It can be tough.

[Kuulvheysoon]

Sorry to hear about the family, Commander - times like those can be really rough. Here's hoping for the best.

So the summer has been busy for me. (I've only logged ~150 hours over the past three months - the shame!) However, my list of breeding leftovers has only grown. All have at least 4 good IVs, are completely free for you to take, and are first-come/first-serve. If you had previously asked me for something, and would still like it, ask again, as I don't remember whom I traded with before I disappeared. If you want to set up a particular time for trading, PM away; otherwise, I'll trade when you pop up online.

People waiting on Pokemon:

• chaotic stupid - Torchic, Skorupi, Chimchar (awaiting friend confirmation)

Spoiler: The List

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Species	Quantity	Nature	Ability	Egg (or High-Level) Moves
Squirtle	4	Modest	Rain Dish	Water Spout, Dragon Pulse, Aura Sphere, Mirror Coat
Gastly	17	Timid	Levitate	Clear Smog, Haze, Perish Song, Disable
Cubone*	15	Brave	Lightning Rod	Detect, Belly Drum, Iron Head, Perish Song
Scyther	7	Adamant	Technician	Baton Pass, Counter, Quick Guard, Night Slash
Eevee	5	Bold	Adaptability or Run Away	Curse, Wish, Yawn, Stored Power
Porygon*	2	Relaxed	Trace
Marill	29	Adamant	Huge Power	Aqua Jet, Perish Song, Belly Drum, Body Slam
Misdreavus	12	Timid	Levitate	Curse, Skill Swap, Destiny Bond, Nasty Plot
Gliscor	3	Careful	Immunity	Baton Pass, Counter, Agility, Night Slash
Larvitar	5	Jolly	Guts	Stealth Rock, Pursuit, Dragon Dance, Iron Head
Torchic	5	Adamant	Speed Boost	Night Slash, Crush Claw, Baton Pass, Counter
	7	Jolly	Speed Boost	Night Slash, Crush Claw, Baton Pass, Counter
Shroomish	12	Adamant	Poison Heal	Bullet Seed, Focus Punch
	5	Adamant	Quick Feet	Bullet Seed, Focus Punch
Sableye	4	Calm	Prankster	Sucker Punch, Metal Burst, Recover, Trick
Anorith	1	Adamant	Battle Armor	Cross Poison, Knock Off, Aqua Jet, Rapid Spin
Shuppet	9	Careful	Frisk	Pursuit, Disable, Phantom Force, Destiny Bond
Duskull	14	Impish	Levitate	Destiny Bond, Pain Split, Skill Swap
Clamperl	46	Modest	Shell Armor	(Shell Smash)
Bagon	35	Lonely	Rock Head	Dragon Pulse, Dragon Dance, Dragon Rush, Hydro Pump
Beldum	16	Adamant	Clear Body
Chimchar	6	Jolly	Iron Fist	Fire Punch, Thunder Punch, Fake Out
Drifloon	9	Modest	Unburden	Weather Ball, Tailwind, Defog, Destiny Bond
Spiritomb	27	Bold	Pressure	Shadow Sneak, Pain Split, Destiny Bond, Foul Play
Skorupi	3	Adamant	Battle Armor
	6	Careful	Battle Armor	Agility, Whirlwind, Confuse Ray
	18	Jolly	Sniper	Agility, Whirlwind, Confuse Ray
Croagunk	5	Jolly	Dry Skin	Fake Out, Drain Punch, Quick Guard, Counter
Rotom	25	Bold	Levitate
Timburr	3	Adamant	Guts	Drain Punch, Mach Punch
Venipede	23	Adamant	Speed Boost	Spikes, Toxic Spikes
Darumaka	5	Jolly	Hustle	Encore, Focus Punch, Yawn
Scraggy	11	Jolly	Moxie	Ice Punch, Drain Punch, Dragon Dance, Zen Headbutt
Yamask*	6	Sassy	Mummy	Nasty Plot, Toxic Spikes, Disable
Frillish	2	Modest	Water Absorb	Pain Split, Confuse Ray
	14	Calm	Water Absorb	Pain Split, Confuse Ray
	14	Calm	Cursed Body	Pain Split, Confuse Ray
Ferroseed*	9	Sassy	Iron Barbs	Leech Seed, Gravity, Stealth Rock, Spikes
Litwick	2	Timid	Flash Fire	Haze, Clear Smog
	5	Timid	Infiltrator	Haze, Clear Smog
Cubchoo	9	Jolly	Snow Cloak	Focus Punch, Night Slash, Yawn, Play Rough
Mienfoo	7	Jolly	Regenerator	Knock Off, Baton Pass, Me First
Golett	10	Adamant	Iron Fist
Pawniard	10	Jolly	Defiant	Pursuit, Sucker Punch, Stealth Rock, Psycho Cut
Vullaby	6	Impish	Overcoat	Foul Play, Mean Look, Knock Off
Deino	61	Hasty	Hustle	Earth Power
Fletchling	18	Adamant	Gale Wings	Quick Guard, Tailwind
	6	Jolly	Gale Wings	Quick Guard, Tailwind
	10	Careful	Gale Wings
Skiddo	30	Careful	Sap Sipper
	11	Adamant	Sap Sipper
Honedge	11	Quiet	No Guard
Spritzee*	8	Relaxed	Aroma Veil	(Aromatherapy), (Moonblast), Disable, Wish
*	5	Relaxed	Healer	(Aromatherapy), (Moonblast), Disable, Wish
Tyrunt	3	Adamant	Strong Jaw	Dragon Dance, Fire Fang, Ice Fang, Thunder Fang
Amaura	2	Modest	Refrigerate	Haze, Barrier, Mirror Coat, Discharge
Hawlucha	3	Adamant	Limber	Quick Guard, Me First
	12	Adamant	Unburden	Quick Guard, Me First
Phantump*	12	Sassy	Natural Cure	(Leech Seed), (Forest's Curse), (Destiny Bond), (Horn Leech)
Pumpkaboo (Small)	12	Jolly	Frisk	Disable, Destiny Bond

*This was bred for a Trick Room team. If the Speed IV is marked as "good", it's a 0.

Actually, if I could nab a Drifloon and a Pumpkaboo (nicknamed Tiny, or some other way to distinguish it's size), that'd be wonderful. I've got a list of specific things on my Giant League page, or I can give you something random/surprise.

[AtlanteanTroll]

So, I haven't been to active in the XY metagame since the launch. However, yesterday, I helped my friend--who I've wanted to join the metagame for sometime now--design a team. So far, it has won every single game it's been in.

When designing my friend's team, we started with his favorite Pokemon (Scizor) and went from there, building the team not so much around it, but more using it as a catalyst, if you will. I'm finally fired up to get in to the XY metagame myself, but I just can't seem to do the same thing. (Namely because my fave Pokemon (Suicune and Salamence) are UU this gen, and I really just want to stick with OU.)

It's really rather infuriating.

Does anyone have any pointers on team building?

[Qwertystop]

So, I haven't been to active in the XY metagame since the launch. However, yesterday, I helped my friend--who I've wanted to join the metagame for sometime now--design a team. So far, it has won every single game it's been in.

When designing my friend's team, we started with his favorite Pokemon (Scizor) and went from there, building the team not so much around it, but more using it as a catalyst, if you will. I'm finally fired up to get in to the XY metagame myself, but I just can't seem to do the same thing. (Namely because my fave Pokemon (Suicune and Salamence) are UU this gen, and I really just want to stick with OU.)

It's really rather infuriating.

Does anyone have any pointers on team building?

Salamence is actually BL at the moment. Considering that even UU stuff can work in OU with a little work (sometimes, even RU, situationally), I don't think you'll have much of a problem.

EDIT: Got the Pinsir event. Mine was Adamant, female, Mold Breaker. Unfortunately, all I got from the IV guy was "fantastic" HP, "above average" overall. And Hidden Power Fighting. So 28 / 22 - 23 / 20 - 21 / 8 / 16 / 16. Could be worse? Not sure if I should try to train it up... breeding a better one is so much work.

[Mando Knight]

'Mence can work, still, it's just that it can have trouble dealing with things like Azumarill (immune to Dragon Claw/Outrage, potentially ridiculous physical stats for i.e. Play Rough), Greninja (Protean Ice Beam OHKOs Multiscale Dragonite, 'Mence doesn't stand a chance), and MegaZard X (just as fast as a non-Scarfed 'Mence, but has Tough Claws and STAB Flare Blitz to do the same things better).

MegaMence will probably shoot right up back to OU and possibly beyond, though. Aerilate Return is seriously powerful.

[Qwertystop]

Originally edited this in to avoid a doublepost, but then Mando outsped me so it wasn't an issue:

EDIT: Got the Pinsir event. Mine was Adamant, female, Mold Breaker. Unfortunately, all I got from the IV guy was "fantastic" HP, "above average" overall. And Hidden Power Fighting. So 28 / 22 - 23 / 20 - 21 / 8 / 16 / 16. Could be worse? Not sure if I should try to train it up... breeding a better one is so much work.

[boj0]

Or Arceus forbid, Thrash; BP 234 after STAB and Aerialate, without the Fairy problem Outrage has. I really wish we had base stat numbers because I want to calc what this can OHKO

[Mando Knight]

Or Arceus forbid, Thrash; BP 234 after STAB and Aerialate, without the Fairy problem Outrage has. I really wish we had base stat numbers because I want to calc what this can OHKO

Barring Rock, Electric, or Dragon types, it can OHKO everything Scarfed 'Mence's Outrage can, and a good number of the things Banded 'Mence can. Unless it gets a ridiculous boost to Attack (instead of just a decent boost), it's unlikely it'll beat Banded 'Mence's Outrage across the board.

[Sasaisen]

Actually, if I could nab a Drifloon and a Pumpkaboo (nicknamed Tiny, or some other way to distinguish it's size), that'd be wonderful. I've got a list of specific things on my Giant League page, or I can give you something random/surprise.

Surprises are always fun!

Re: Salamence, the thing also learns Double-Edge, a.k.a. Thrash without the lock-in. Dragon Dance/Double-Edge/Earthquake/Roost will be nuts.

EDIT: Mega Charizard X is probably the best Dragon Dancer at the moment. Non-Mega Salamence has the same Speed and slightly higher Attack, and Aerilate Double-Edge hits almost exactly as hard as Tough Claws Flare Blitz (and arguably with a better offensive type). Any Mega stat boosts are gravy on top of that. No matter how I punch the numbers into my calculator, they make a happy face.

[AtlanteanTroll]

I am unquestionably building a team around Mega Mence when OR/AS come out. I still have my perf. Mence from DPPt. Love that little guy.

[JustPlayItLoud]

I think we'll be eagerly awaiting a stat spread for MegaMence. Going from being banned for part of Gen IV to slipping out of OU bums me out. The other fat dragon got plenty of love with Multiscale, hopefully Mence gets some love to bring it back to the top. I doubt it will, but I also kind of hope its stat boosts bring MixMence back. I've always liked going mixed with the big dragons.

[ZeltArruin]

So Extremespeed Dratinis? Still waiting on.....uhhh someone for that.

[Sylthia]

So Extremespeed Dratinis? Still waiting on.....uhhh someone for that.

You need them or waiting to give someone one?

[Kuulvheysoon]

Surprises are always fun!

Re: Salamence, the thing also learns Double-Edge, a.k.a. Thrash without the lock-in. Dragon Dance/Double-Edge/Earthquake/Roost will be nuts.

EDIT: Mega Charizard X is probably the best Dragon Dancer at the moment. Non-Mega Salamence has the same Speed and slightly higher Attack, and Aerilate Double-Edge hits almost exactly as hard as Tough Claws Flare Blitz (and arguably with a better offensive type). Any Mega stat boosts are gravy on top of that. No matter how I punch the numbers into my calculator, they make a happy face.

I can do surprises. If I don't catch you in the next couple days, I'll PM you and try to work something out.

[ZeltArruin]

You need them or waiting to give someone one?

I need. EVs and nature dont matter because I breed forever.

[Mercenary Pen]

Just some idle musing on my part... we have the abilities refrigerate, aerilate, pixilate which boost power and change types of normal moves... what -ate abilities would be given to other types of pokémon to do the same?

Grass: Germinate?
Fire: Immolate?
Dark: Eliminate?/Terminate?

[Einrikr]

Just some idle musing on my part... we have the abilities refrigerate, aerilate, pixilate which boost power and change types of normal moves... what -ate abilities would be given to other types of pokémon to do the same?

Grass: Germinate?
Fire: Immolate?
Dark: Eliminate?/Terminate?

Ghost: Zombify (even if no -ate... reanimate works though)

Also I'm looking for a HA weedle/kakuna/beedrill (mostly looking for this, the hidden grottos are impossible ugh), I have lots 4 iv pokemon to offer in return, some of them with HA, (absol HA, oddish, keckleon HA, poochyeena HA, clamperl, magikarp, bagon, charmander, deino, aron, gible HA, HA bulbasur, Honedge, Scyther, mawile, tropius and electrike)
I can also breed HA dratini and HA tangela

edit: a kakuna safari works too, mine has Sawsbuck, Sunkern and Maractus, my fc is 1805-3205-0820

[Somensjev]

Also I'm looking for a HA weedle/kakuna/beedrill (mostly looking for this, the hidden grottos are impossible ugh) and a HA eevee, I have lots 4 iv pokemon to offer in return, some of them with HA, (absol HA, oddish, keckleon HA, poochyeena HA, clamperl, magikarp, bagon, charmander, deino, aron, gible HA, HA bulbasur, Honedge, Scyther, mawile, tropius and electrike)
I can also breed HA dratini and HA tangela)

i've got a hidden ability Eevee, i'd be happy to trade it for a HA Bulbasaur

unfortunately i don't have a hidden ability weedle/kakuna/beedrill


ION: i'm designing a team, but since i know nothing of the meta it probably won't work very well but it'll win battles in my friends group at least

Spoiler: team (WIP)

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it consists of:

• shuckle, gluttony, [current moveset: power trick, power split, guard split, bug bite], 252 def and SpD, the rest is speed [the RNG hated me, gave it perfect SpA IV's, and made it Rash]
• ferrothorn, iron barbs, [current moveset: self-destruct, ingrain, power whip, gyroball], brave, with perfect def IV's, maxed out both defenses, and put the rest in attack, it holds a rocky helmet
• aegislash, perfect IV's, Quiet, [current moveset: king's sheild, shadow ball, night slash, pursuit], maxed out defenses EV's, rest is in HP, holds a leppa berry
• drapion, battle armour, careful, 4-IV's (HP, Atk, Def, SpD), still training it, and deciding on moves (still need to evolve it)
• forretress, sturdy, relaxed, holds an occa berry, maxed out defenses, rest in HP, 5-IV's (missing speed), [current moveset: toxic spikes, spikes, stealth rock, gyro ball]
• gliscor, impish, poison heal, toxic orb, 4-IV's (missing speed and SpD), [current moveset: u-turn, knock off] (need to train and evolve)

the party has 2 untrained/unevolved pokemon at the moment (hopfully they'll be finished by this time tomorrow)

tl:dr. the party is; Shuckle, Ferrothorn, Aegislash, Drapion, Forretress, Gliscor (two of them still need training and evolving)

[Sylthia]

I need. EVs and nature dont matter because I breed forever.

I have an Extreme Speed Dratini, if you still need one.

[Kuulvheysoon]

Just some idle musing on my part... we have the abilities refrigerate, aerilate, pixilate which boost power and change types of normal moves... what -ate abilities would be given to other types of pokémon to do the same?

Grass: Germinate?
Fire: Immolate?
Dark: Eliminate?/Terminate?

Ghost: Zombify (even if no -ate... reanimate works though)

Also I'm looking for a HA weedle/kakuna/beedrill (mostly looking for this, the hidden grottos are impossible ugh), I have lots 4 iv pokemon to offer in return, some of them with HA, (absol HA, oddish, keckleon HA, poochyeena HA, clamperl, magikarp, bagon, charmander, deino, aron, gible HA, HA bulbasur, Honedge, Scyther, mawile, tropius and electrike)
I can also breed HA dratini and HA tangela

edit: a kakuna safari works too, mine has Sawsbuck, Sunkern and Maractus, my fc is 1805-3205-0820

Actually, I was looking for a HA Weedle quite a while ago. No one here seemed to have one, so I went to the GTS and managed to find one. I've got some 5IV Jolly Run Away Weedles, if you want one. And access to your Safari is more than enough in trade for it (though if you don't mind, I'd be more than willing to take one of the Bagon off of your hands).

i've got a hidden ability Eevee, i'd be happy to trade it for a HA Bulbasaur

unfortunately i don't have a hidden ability weedle/kakuna/beedrill


ION: i'm designing a team, but since i know nothing of the meta it probably won't work very well but it'll win battles in my friends group at least

Spoiler: team (WIP)

Show

it consists of:

• shuckle, gluttony, [current moveset: power trick, power split, guard split, bug bite], 252 def and SpD, the rest is speed [the RNG hated me, gave it perfect SpA IV's, and made it Rash]
• ferrothorn, iron barbs, [current moveset: self-destruct, ingrain, power whip, gyroball], brave, with perfect def IV's, maxed out both defenses, and put the rest in attack, it holds a rocky helmet
• aegislash, perfect IV's, Quiet, [current moveset: king's sheild, shadow ball, night slash, pursuit], maxed out defenses EV's, rest is in HP, holds a leppa berry
• drapion, battle armour, careful, 4-IV's (HP, Atk, Def, SpD), still training it, and deciding on moves (still need to evolve it)
• forretress, sturdy, relaxed, holds an occa berry, maxed out defenses, rest in HP, 5-IV's (missing speed), [current moveset: toxic spikes, spikes, stealth rock, gyro ball]
• gliscor, impish, poison heal, toxic orb, 4-IV's (missing speed and SpD), [current moveset: u-turn, knock off] (need to train and evolve)

the party has 2 untrained/unevolved pokemon at the moment (hopfully they'll be finished by this time tomorrow)

tl:dr. the party is; Shuckle, Ferrothorn, Aegislash, Drapion, Forretress, Gliscor (two of them still need training and evolving)

That's a mighty bulky team. At the very least, grab Knock Off on Drapion.

I have an Extreme Speed Dratini, if you still need one.

I saw you last night, Zelt, so if you're having trouble getting ahold of Rez, I can give you an ESpeed Dratini.

[Qwertystop]

I just went through the trouble of chasing down the Sea Spirit (Arcticuno for me). I am now confused. It's Level 70, which I assumed would be a problem because immediately after getting to Kiloude I stopped training my original team and started breeding things and training them to battle-usability (usually around 50).

I sent out my Level Fifty-Something (<55, but I've run out of battery so I can't check) Mega Blastoise. One Aura Sphere and three Dark Pulses and the Arcticuno was at one pixel of health, give or take, having used Ice Beam, Reflect, and I-don't-even-remember to bring Blastoise down to still-more-than-half.

And then I caught it first try in a Nest Ball.

Something feels wrong about this.

[Quietus]

I need. EVs and nature dont matter because I breed forever.

If you can catch me on, I can help.

Ghost: Zombify (even if no -ate... reanimate works though)

Also I'm looking for a HA weedle/kakuna/beedrill (mostly looking for this, the hidden grottos are impossible ugh), I have lots 4 iv pokemon to offer in return, some of them with HA, (absol HA, oddish, keckleon HA, poochyeena HA, clamperl, magikarp, bagon, charmander, deino, aron, gible HA, HA bulbasur, Honedge, Scyther, mawile, tropius and electrike)
I can also breed HA dratini and HA tangela

edit: a kakuna safari works too, mine has Sawsbuck, Sunkern and Maractus, my fc is 1805-3205-0820

I can help with Weedle, too, I found myself in your position a little while back. I now have a half dozen Jolly HA Weedles. A HA Tangela would be appreciated, I don't need any specific number of IVs, just the ability would be great.

[Jayngfet]

So I started Pokemon Y yesterday after a years long break from the franchise, and I'm loving everything so far. But I can't help but get a niggling feeling of being expected to do things a certain way.

I mean you've got your basic starter, one of the G1 starters, the fossil pokemon, and the pikachu that the game basically expects you to capture early on. Before you hit the second gym, that's basically two thirds of your party set.