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    Q 1

    In regard to the Hide skill as described in the quote below (from pg 92 of Rules Compendium)

    Quote Originally Posted by Hide
    If you’re successfully hidden with respect to another creature, that creature is flat-footed with respect to you. That creature treats you as if you were invisible (see page 76).
    How does this interact with with a Crystal of Revelation (any of the 3) from MiC pg 66?

    Do they reveal the hidden creature or not?

    I had gotten this response from Jowgen, but I want to be sure. Maybe some rules quote on why it doesn't work.

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    The main limitations to using these crystals against hidden opponents are that a) you have to guess the square the creature is in, and b) only works if the creature is hidden thanks to concealment granted by a magical effect.

    If the creature is hiding by means of invisibility, the lesser crystal would work, while other single-creature concealment providing effects would need the greater crystal. As the creature still has concealment after getting hit with the least crystal, it does not negate the hiding aspect.

    If the creature is hidden by other means (e.g. hide in plain sight) then none of the crystals work to undo the hide.
    I get that you need to guess the location, but why won't the crystal reveal hidden (with the skill) creatures? That RC quote seems to mean that the creature will in fact be revealed with "treat them as invisible" and whatnot
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    Quote Originally Posted by heavyfuel View Post
    Q 1

    In regard to the Hide skill as described in the quote below (from pg 92 of Rules Compendium)

    How does this interact with with a Crystal of Revelation (any of the 3) from MiC pg 66?

    Do they reveal the hidden creature or not?

    I had gotten this response from Jowgen, but I want to be sure. Maybe some rules quote on why it doesn't work.



    I get that you need to guess the location, but why won't the crystal reveal hidden (with the skill) creatures? That RC quote seems to mean that the creature will in fact be revealed with "treat them as invisible" and whatnot
    *A1
    No, that is just a metaphor to help the reader understand what being hidden is.
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    A 1 Extended

    In order for any of the crytals to undo hidden-ness by means other than removing concealment (as the lesser and greater crytals can in certain cases), one would have to accept the notion that a creature treating you "as if you were invisible" as a result of succeeding on a hide-check is an "invisibility effect" (as specified in the item description).

    Ignoring the issue whether skills create "effects", the main issue with this is that being hidden and being simply invisible are different; with the most obvious distinction being that someone attacked by an invisible attacker is denied their dexterity (Rules Compendium p. 77), while someone attacked by a hidden attacker is not only denied their dexterity but also flat-footed (Rules Compedium p. 92). Being 'hidden' is thus more than a simple invisiblity effect, so negating just the pseudo-invisiblity portion of hiding would not undo hidden-ness in its entirety, resulting in a irreconcilable rules-discrepancy. Thusly, this is a non-sensical (albeit creative) notion. I hope this helps clear things up.

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    What is "Force"?

    Different views welcome.

    Addition: as an example of an inconsistency, the Meta-breath spell Animate Breath from Draconomicon (Spell-compedium version superceeding should not affect the original's wider rule-implications) calls Force out as an energy type (both specifically and in context), but the glossary does not list Force as an energy type.
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    A2: Ask your DM. The rules text does not provide a set definition of "force," though there is a definition of "force damage" which has been previously provided.
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    Q3

    how does blindsight affect your ability to detect a creature who is hidden within its distance.

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    Q4

    What options are available in official publications in terms of dealing nonlethal damage from a distance, preferably without using magic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yukisuya View Post
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    how does blindsight affect your ability to detect a creature who is hidden within its distance.
    A 3

    Blindsight is:

    the extraordinary ability to use a nonvisual sense (or a combination of such senses) to operate effectively without vision. Such sense may include sensitivity to vibrations, acute scent, keen hearing, or echolocation. This ability makes invisibility and concealment (even magical darkness) irrelevant to the creature (though it still can’t see ethereal creatures and must have line of effect to a creature or object to discern that creature or object). This ability operates out to a range specified in the creature description.

    The creature usually does not need to make Spot or Listen checks to notice creatures within range of its blindsight ability.
    If you don't need to make a Spot or Listen check to notice a creature within range of your Blindsight ability, then neither Hide skill nor Move Silently skill can enable this creature to escape your notice. You usually can either smell or hear this creature well enough to locate it and to identify it, as if you could see it.

    Under a few highly unusual circumstances, Blindsight may be blocked by a lack of line of effect. For example, Blindsight doesn't work through a vacuum, and it usually doesn't work across inter-planar boundaries, which is why you can't use Blindsight to detect ethereal creatures while you're on the Material Plane. A Deafness effect may negate your Blindsight if it relies on hearing.

    Blindsight that relies on smell and hearing works around corners, but not necessarily through solid walls that have no openings. There may be some "grey areas" here, so that your dungeon master may on rare occasions require a creature with Blindsight to make a Listen check to hear something, for example through a thick wall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Milodiah View Post
    Q4

    What options are available in official publications in terms of dealing nonlethal damage from a distance, preferably without using magic?
    A 4

    One thing that I can mention immediately are bolas, which appear both on pages 115 and 117 of the Player's Handbook and here.
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    A 4 - Addition

    While you asked "without magic", are magic items fair game? Because you can just put the "Merciful" +1 enchantment on your weapon for extra 1d6 damage and turning all damage non-lethal.

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    Q5

    Is an Outsider (Augmented Aberration)

    a) treated as both an outsider and aberration for effects like bane, type requirements, etc. or

    b) an outsider with the aberration's features (d8 HD, 3/4 BAB, etc.) and nothing else

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    A5 Neither, unless whatever gave them the augmented subtype says otherwise.

    A creature receives this subtype whenever something happens to change its original type. Some creatures (those with an inherited template) are born with this subtype; others acquire it when they take on an acquired template. The augmented subtype is always paired with the creature’s original type. A creature with the augmented subtype usually has the traits of its current type, but the features of its original type.
    So your Outsider (augmented Aberration) type-based features would look like this:

    Features
    An aberration has the following features.

    8-sided Hit Dice.
    Base attack bonus equal to ¾ total Hit Dice (as cleric).
    Good Will saves.
    Skill points equal to (2 + Int modifier, minimum 1) per Hit Die, with quadruple skill points for the first Hit Die.

    Traits
    An outsider possesses the following traits (unless otherwise noted in a creature’s entry).

    Darkvision out to 60 feet.
    Unlike most other living creatures, an outsider does not have a dual nature—its soul and body form one unit. When an outsider is slain, no soul is set loose. Spells that restore souls to their bodies, such as raise dead, reincarnate, and resurrection, don’t work on an outsider. It takes a different magical effect, such as limited wish, wish, miracle, or true resurrection to restore it to life. An outsider with the native subtype can be raised, reincarnated, or resurrected just as other living creatures can be.
    Proficient with all simple and martial weapons and any weapons mentioned in its entry.
    Proficient with whatever type of armor (light, medium, or heavy) it is described as wearing, as well as all lighter types. Outsiders not indicated as wearing armor are not proficient with armor. Outsiders are proficient with shields if they are proficient with any form of armor.
    Outsiders breathe, but do not need to eat or sleep (although they can do so if they wish). Native outsiders breathe, eat, and sleep.

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    A 005

    You only ever have one character type. The "augmented" subtype has no particular meaning for adjudicating any effects. Even the general explanation of how "augmented" works (features vs. traits) is only a rough approximation, because in fact you must follow the particular rules of whatever causes the type change.
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    Q 6

    If you use sudden leap after a charge (with 20 ft or more movement), do you count as having a moving start? What about using it after a move action?

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    A 006 No; yes.

    Sudden Leap follows the Jump rules:
    All Jump DCs given here assume that you get a running start, which requires that you move at least 20 feet in a straight line before attempting the jump. If you do not get a running start, the DC for the jump is doubled.
    The "running start" requires movement just before the Jump; movement other than just before that would be a running precursor but not a running start.
    Movement During a Charge
    You must move before your attack, not after.
    There is no movement in a Charge after the attack, so that movement fails to be a running start for a Jump check.

    A move action with movement of at least 20' in a straight line immediately preceding the Sudden Leap swift action would satisfy the running start requirement of Jump.
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    Q0007

    When two casters get together to make a wand, who pays the XP cost to craft the wand? The one contributing the spell, or the one crafting the wand?
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    Q 008
    A few more questions about Imbue with Spell Ability:

    8A: Can the spells imbued be 0-level cleric spells instead of the 1st-level spells (or a 1st-level spell instead of the 2nd-level one), on the principle that spellcasters can prepare a spell of a lower level in a given spell slot?

    8B: Related to the above, can the spells imbued be modified by a metamagic feat, as long as the modifier doesn't raise the level beyond what's allowed?

    8C: A cloistered cleric is a variant of cleric, casting spells as a cleric, plus a few added to the class spell list, among which the 1st-level Identify. Can it be then considered a cleric spell and imbued (since it's a divination) by a cloistered cleric casting Imbue with Spell Ability?
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    Quote Originally Posted by xkaliburr View Post
    Q0007

    When two casters get together to make a wand, who pays the XP cost to craft the wand? The one contributing the spell, or the one crafting the wand?

    A7

    With the usual disclaimer of "it depends on your DM", I'm under the impression that the XP cost can be split by the two crafters whichever way they want.

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    A 007 Addition

    The designated creator pays the XP cost as per the DMG:
    If two or more characters cooperate to create an item, they must agree among themselves who will be considered the creator for the purpose of determinations where the creator’s level must be known. (It’s generally sensible, although not mandatory, for the highest-level character involved to be
    considered the creator.) The character designated as the creator pays the XP required to make the item.
    A 008 Yes to all three.

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    Q009

    I read a feat awhile ago that let you burn your spells to trigger a wand(or staff, can't remember) instead of using a charge. I believe you also got to use your CL for it, if it was higher.

    Can't remember where the feat is/its name. Help. :(
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xaktsaroth View Post
    Q009

    I read a feat awhile ago that let you burn your spells to trigger a wand(or staff, can't remember) instead of using a charge. I believe you also got to use your CL for it, if it was higher.

    Can't remember where the feat is/its name. Help. :(
    Is this it?

    Channel Charge

    ( Lost Empires of Faerûn, p. 7)

    [General]

    You can power a charged magic item with your own magical ability.
    Prerequisite
    Use Magic Device 5 ranks, ability to cast 4thlevel spells,
    Benefit
    When you use a spell trigger magic item with charges (such as a wand or a staff), you can make a Use Magic Device check (DC 15 + the item's caster level). If you succeed, you can sacrifice a spell slot or prepared spell instead of using a charge. The spell slot or spell sacrificed must be one level higher than the level of the desired effect from the item. If the check fails, both your spell slot (or prepared spell) and 1 charge from the item are expended.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xkaliburr View Post
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    Is this it?

    Channel Charge

    ( Lost Empires of Faerûn, p. 7)

    [General]

    You can power a charged magic item with your own magical ability.
    Prerequisite
    Use Magic Device 5 ranks, ability to cast 4thlevel spells,
    Benefit
    When you use a spell trigger magic item with charges (such as a wand or a staff), you can make a Use Magic Device check (DC 15 + the item's caster level). If you succeed, you can sacrifice a spell slot or prepared spell instead of using a charge. The spell slot or spell sacrificed must be one level higher than the level of the desired effect from the item. If the check fails, both your spell slot (or prepared spell) and 1 charge from the item are expended.
    I can't remember the last time I looked in my copy of LEoF, but that has to be it, it meets most my requirements. Except for the CL thing.

    Good place to start.

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    Q 10

    Is there a list of mundane armor enhancements, be them templates (like githcraft), materials (like Mithral) or add-ons (like Wandchambered for weapons)?

    Thanks!

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    A 10

    There is no such list in any book but you might find something on Chet Erez's index site.

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    There is no such list in any book but you might find something on Chet Erez's index site.
    Thanks, but there isn't one there. It has a list for weapons, but the one for armors is very lacking.

    Anyone has any other sites?

    Q 11

    Does the AC granted by a Crystal of Arrow Deflection apply to Flat-footed or Touch ac?
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    A 11

    Yes, as an unnamed bonus it is removed neither for touch attacks nor when the target is flat-footed.

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    How many weapons can a humanoid creature have "sheathed" and ready to draw at the same time?
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    Ask your DM, there is no fixed limit.

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    Q 13

    What would be the price for a Custom Item that casts Darkvision 1/day (including the 1hr/lv duration)? I don't think the SRD gives you this option, but I could be wrong.

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