EMPIRE! CWBG VIII: It's Not An Event Without A Few Corpses

[Aedilred]

Thread to come (regarding the strange Eastern prince)

EDIT: Thread's up! anyone's welcome to stop by, though I imagine Sam, Blade, and DarkDM might be most interested in the happenings.

Just one thing there - when you talk about the caravan arriving from the west a couple of times in the OP... do you mean "east"?

[QuintonBeck]

Just one thing there - when you talk about the caravan arriving from the west a couple of times in the OP... do you mean "east"?

Maaayyybbeee.... I think I fixed it now

Must be my American showing, you've got a desert frontier so it must be the Wild West

[SamBurke]

Maaayyybbeee.... I think I fixed it now

Must be my American showing, you've got a desert frontier so it must be the Wild West

There's even a desert CALLED Frontier out there!

[QuintonBeck]

So the Holy Kingdom of Sycia seems like it's gone, inactive for 7 rounds and all that. I would imagine it would make the most sense for it to become a Glazfell vassal but I don't think there's any current rules for such things and I'm not sure, but I don't think Glazfell technically has a claim by the rules to go at it that way like Way did with Gunung. Iintuitively the fact that they adhere to the Sycia's religion quite strongly and make pilgrimages there and all that would speak of some amount of claimancy I think but as I said, I don't think the rules specifically call that out.

Perhaps though that is a way to make Faith (a bit of a maligned stat at the moment) have some more use allowing places who follow the same religion to have some manner of claim on one another.

Another idea for Faith might be establishing a Holy-Land, not sure what that would do but it seems like it might be an interesting mechanical path to go down.

[SamBurke]

So the Holy Kingdom of Sycia seems like it's gone, inactive for 7 rounds and all that. I would imagine it would make the most sense for it to become a Glazfell vassal but I don't think there's any current rules for such things and I'm not sure, but I don't think Glazfell technically has a claim by the rules to go at it that way like Way did with Gunung. Iintuitively the fact that they adhere to the Sycia's religion quite strongly and make pilgrimages there and all that would speak of some amount of claimancy I think but as I said, I don't think the rules specifically call that out.

Perhaps though that is a way to make Faith (a bit of a maligned stat at the moment) have some more use allowing places who follow the same religion to have some manner of claim on one another.

Another idea for Faith might be establishing a Holy-Land, not sure what that would do but it seems like it might be an interesting mechanical path to go down.

Oooooh. That would pretty legit right there. I rather like the Holy-Land idea... perhaps it's a place that can have militia from other regions defend it? That seems to mechanically represent the idea well.

[TheWombatOfDoom]

Oooooh. That would pretty legit right there. I rather like the Holy-Land idea... perhaps it's a place that can have militia from other regions defend it? That seems to mechanically represent the idea well.

Wouldn't Gunung then be the "Holy Land" for the Lord of Fire? What with the volcanos and such...

[Aedilred]

So the Holy Kingdom of Sycia seems like it's gone, inactive for 7 rounds and all that. I would imagine it would make the most sense for it to become a Glazfell vassal but I don't think there's any current rules for such things and I'm not sure, but I don't think Glazfell technically has a claim by the rules to go at it that way like Way did with Gunung. Iintuitively the fact that they adhere to the Sycia's religion quite strongly and make pilgrimages there and all that would speak of some amount of claimancy I think but as I said, I don't think the rules specifically call that out.

I think (as I mentioned at the end of last round when Morph called for rules that needed a look) the issue of what to do with NPCs who have friendly ties but no "claimable" ones could do with a look and a little tweaking, as there's currently no real way to get them back in play except by conquering them, which is a bit OOC in a lot of cases. Sycia - Glazfell is a good example, but it could apply to pretty much any nonhuman population. I guess fabricated claims are the way to deal with that, but since they're open to anyone, it's really just a Diplomacy roll-off and Niskovia, say, would have as good a chance of claiming Sycia as Glazfell would.

[QuintonBeck]

Oooooh. That would pretty legit right there. I rather like the Holy-Land idea... perhaps it's a place that can have militia from other regions defend it? That seems to mechanically represent the idea well.

That's not bad, and works for the defensive form Faith has taken up, but I was thinking of even Faith becoming more of a world-wide stat allowing you to pull influence from other regions that follow a religion, either to pull soldiers for defense or simply grant bonuses equivalent to a certain number of regions following a religion.

Every 2 regions with a Majority of the religion granting a Holy Land a +1 defensive bonus, every region outside the Holy Land itself with the religion as sole a +1 every 3 or 4 regions with a Minority granting a +1, or something like that.

Wouldn't Gunung then be the "Holy Land" for the Lord of Fire? What with the volcanos and such...

I was imagining it would be a Faith special action to found a Holy Land, or perhaps whichever region founded the Faith would automatically be the Holy Land and it could be moved with a Special, and since the Lord of Fire is pretty much the Lord of Fire Calorum Reformation now I would imagine Calorum would become the Holy Land in said scenario but it would really be dependent on where a player wanted to place their Holy Land I suppose.

Also, on the possibility of converting similar religions over without having to start from the bottom I think simply keeping the TNs as if one were introducing or improving their religion to that point with an additional +2 and allowing it to "swap" places with the religion would work. For instance, Gunung is "Lord of Fire (Only)" I think a TN of 18 (the base resistance for turning a Majority into a Sole + 2) assuming no resistance would be a fair number for Calorum to have to hit to change that to "Lord of Fire C.R. (Only)" that way they don't have to work all the way through the steps of minority->majority->sole for a religion that's so similar. Of course, the same would apply back against Reformation if L.o.F was still making conversions. Then, if you don't hit the (in this instance) 18 you might still introduce a minority and next round you can go for a TN 16 to turn the Majority into C.R. and it would combine with the Minority and make it "Sole" meaning two turns to get to sole instead of three.

I think (as I mentioned at the end of last round when Morph called for rules that needed a look) the issue of what to do with NPCs who have friendly ties but no "claimable" ones could do with a look and a little tweaking, as there's currently no real way to get them back in play except by conquering them, which is a bit OOC in a lot of cases. Sycia - Glazfell is a good example, but it could apply to pretty much any nonhuman population. I guess fabricated claims are the way to deal with that, but since they're open to anyone, it's really just a Diplomacy roll-off and Niskovia, say, would have as good a chance of claiming Sycia as Glazfell would.

Agreed, but making clear what a friendly tie constitutes can be a bit difficult. It seems obvious for some (Sycia/Glazfell) but it's unclear what exactly defines "freindly". Trade? Shared religion?

[Aedilred]

Agreed, but making clear what a friendly tie constitutes can be a bit difficult. It seems obvious for some (Sycia/Glazfell) but it's unclear what exactly defines "freindly". Trade? Shared religion?

A way to do it might be to have a more complex system of TN calculation, as with colonisation, rather than a flat number which applies to everyone. For instance, set the default TN quite high and then apply the following as appropriate:

Ongoing trade: -1
Multiple ongoing trades: -1
Trading post established in region: -1
Shared religion: -1
Shared ancestral ties between peoples: -1
Formal alliance: -2
Marriage alliance: -2
Claimant ruler descended from previous ruler: -2
Have been at war with each other in the last n rounds: +2

Ideas and numbers off the top of my head, but you get the idea. Admittedly, that wouldn't much help to address NPCs who start the game then disappear without really forming any ties at all, but conquering them is usually - albeit not always - less controversial.

Also, on the possibility of converting similar religions over without having to start from the bottom I think simply keeping the TNs as if one were introducing or improving their religion to that point with an additional +2 and allowing it to "swap" places with the religion would work. For instance, Gunung is "Lord of Fire (Only)" I think a TN of 18 (the base resistance for turning a Majority into a Sole + 2) assuming no resistance would be a fair number for Calorum to have to hit to change that to "Lord of Fire C.R. (Only)" that way they don't have to work all the way through the steps of minority->majority->sole for a religion that's so similar. Of course, the same would apply back against Reformation if L.o.F was still making conversions. Then, if you don't hit the (in this instance) 18 you might still introduce a minority and next round you can go for a TN 16 to turn the Majority into C.R. and it would combine with the Minority and make it "Sole" meaning two turns to get to sole instead of three.

That would seem to make sense, although of course (and without wishing to get into real-life religion here) divisions between denominations of the same religion can often be more acrimonious and enduring than between completely different religions...

[QuintonBeck]

A way to do it might be to have a more complex system of TN calculation, as with colonisation, rather than a flat number which applies to everyone. For instance, set the default TN quite high and then apply the following as appropriate:

Ongoing trade: -1
Multiple ongoing trades: -1
Trading post established in region: -1
Shared religion: -1
Shared ancestral ties between peoples: -1
Formal alliance: -2
Marriage alliance: -2
Claimant ruler descended from previous ruler: -2
Have been at war with each other in the last n rounds: +2

Ideas and numbers off the top of my head, but you get the idea. Admittedly, that wouldn't much help to address NPCs who start the game then disappear without really forming any ties at all, but conquering them is usually - albeit not always - less controversial.


That would seem to make sense, although of course (and without wishing to get into real-life religion here) divisions between denominations of the same religion can often be more acrimonious and enduring than between completely different religions...

That would be good, but is more tracking and work. Of course, it might only need to be calculated when such a claim was going down though so that might still be doable.

You're right of course, but my basis is assuming that you're coming in to teach the common people the doctrine it's easier to say, "pretty much you've got everything right except this smidge here" and teach the next generation in your way then it is to come in and say "all wrong, here's the real truth of it all" Doctrinal divisions generally seem to arise between leaders of religions anyway, and if that's the case then the defender can actually roll and add their faith and their defensive bonuses rather than relying on a flat 10 +bonuses to resist it.

Spoiler: Religion Table Through Round 22

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Religions

Updated to end of round 22

#	Region Name	Player	Religions	Rulers Religion
P1	Mictlanpa	Chacmon	Lord of Fire (only)	Lord of Fire
P2	Wenyavuk	Reggiejam	Lord of Fire (as Irfrin, not organized) (majority) Children of Kina (minority)	Children of Kina
P3	Krepida	NPC	Doctrine of Frost (minority)	Ancestors
P8	Tletica	Chacmon	Lord of Fire (Only)	Lord of Fire
01	Gunung	Chacmon	Lord of Fire (only)	Lord of Fire
02-A	Celero	Logic	Radurja (majority) Lord of Fire (minority) Children of Kina (minority)	Radurja
02-B	Bereginia	Logic	Ancestor (only)	Ancestors
03	Nyroth	QuintonBeck	Radurja (majority) Lord of Fire (minority) Cult of the Sky (minority)	Radurja
04-A	Kasumor	WaylanderX	Ashmarism (majority) Lord of Fire (minority) The Great Eel Spirit (minority)	Ashmarism
04-B	Shikurai	WaylanderX	Ashmarism (majority) Spirit Worship (minority)	Ashmarism
05-A	The Heartwaste	Reggiejam	Lord of Fire (Majority) Children of Kina (Minority)	Children of Kina
05-B	Eyrecradia	Silverbit	Animism (only)	Animism
06	Woodwind	QuintonBeck	Radurja (majority) Calorum Lord of Fire Reformation (minority) Animism (minority)	Radurja
07-A	Calorum	Chief	Calorum Lord of Fire Reformation (only)	Calorum Lord of Fire Reformation
07-B	Gwrîstîn	WaylanderX	Ashmarism (majority) Calorum Lord of Fire Reformation (majority)	Ashmarism
08-A	Aloren	QuintonBeck	Radurja (only)	Radurja
08-B	Tunneldom of K'braashriix	zabbarot	Radurja (majority)	Radurja
09	Genivana	zabbarot	Radurja (only)	Radurja
10	Hrathan-Tuor	ImperatorV	Radurja (only)	Radurja
11-A	Raaneka	Zap Dynamic	Radurja (majority) Lord of Fire (minority)	Radurja
11-B	Ayava	Zap Dynamic	Radurja (sole)	Radurja
12	Qarimos	avr	Radurja (majority) Animism (minority)	Radurja
13-A	Lyradis	TheWombatOfDoom	Radurja (majority) Lord of Fire (minority)	Lord of Fire
13-B	Razdis	Silverbit	Mineral Animism (only)	Mineral Animism
14-A	Guilder	SamBurke	Radurja (majority) Jaaku Na (minority)	Radurja
14-B	Elbaraz	Silverbit	Mineral Animism (majority) Pagan gods of money (minority)	Mineral Animism
15-A	Zargrim	WaylanderX	The Great Eel Spirit (majority) Lord of Fire(minority) Ashmarism(minority)	Ashmarism
15-B	Keldagrim	Silver Ablaze	Ancestor (majority) The Great Eel Spirit (minority) Ashmarism (minority) Calorum Lord of Fire Reformation (minority)	Ashmarism
16-A	Pryonia	Chief	Lord of Fire (only)	Lord of Fire
16-B	Galie-Noiret	Chief	Lord of Fire (only)	Lord of Fire
17-A	Tekorva	NPC	Spirits (Majority) Ashamrism (Minority)	Spirits
17-B	Yorukuni	Reggiejam	Spirits (majority) Children of Kina (minority)	Children of Kina
18-A	Sympolemou	NPC	Ancestor (only)	Ancestor
18-B	Aimplach	NPC	Unknown	Ancestor
19	Domhan Abhaile	NPC	Council of Spirits (majority) Spirit Shamanism (minority)	Ancestor
20-A	Bordeux	Lord_Burch	Animism (majority) Lord of Fire (Nobility) (minority)	Lord of Fire
20-B
21-A	Sulvan Primarchy	Silverbit	Lord of Fire (minority) Paragons (minority)	Mineral Animism
21-B
22	Ashenia	Elemental	Animism (majority) Jaaku Na (minority)	Animism
23	Crima	Lord_Burch	Animism (only)	Lord of Fire
24	Tar	lt_murgen	Children of Kina (majority) Atur, Spirits (minority) Cult of the Sky (minority)	Spirits
25	The Jeweled Cities	lt_murgen	Spirits (only)	Spirits
26	Shengdi	NPC	Animism (majority)	Hailings of the Silver Sea
27	Scla´ca	moossabi	Cult of the Sky (only)	Cult of the Sky
28	Hazaria	Elemental	Animism, Atorna (only)	Animism
29	Alydaxis	moossabi	Cult of the Sky (majority) The Ancient Ones (ancestors) (minority)	Cult of the Sky
30	Grizzland	ImperatorV	Radurja (majority) Lord of Fire (minority)	Radurja
31	Grmanhil	TheWombatOfDoom	Radurja (majority) Honored Dead (fallen warriors) (minority)	Lord of Fire
32	Selrya	TheWombatOfDoom	Radurja (majority) Spirits (minority)	Lord of Fire
33	Bracia	Rizban	Ascension (majority) Hailings of the Silver Sea (minority)	Ascension
34	Bor-Teire	Rizban	Ascension (majority) Lord of Fire(C.R.)(minority) Hailings of the Silver Sea(minority)	Hailings of the Silver Sea
35	Saltiere	Rizban	Ascension (majority) Hailing of the Silver Sea (minority)	Ascension
36	Aus-Teire	Morph Bark	Hailings of the Silver Sea (only)	Hailings of the Silver Sea
37	Pontensulae	Morph Bark	Hailings of the Silver Sea (only)	Hailings of the Silver Sea
38	Penoccident	Morph Bark	Hailings of the Silver Sea (only)	Hailings of the Silver Sea
39	Propinlonge	Logic	Pagan? (Majority) Children of Kina (Minority)	Radurja
40	Solus	moosabi	Animism (majority)	Cult of the Sky
41	Glirfrey	moosabi	Strange Marsh	Cult of the Sky
42	Arix'La	moosabi	Cult of the Sky (minority)	Cult of the Sky
43	Angan Avale	Elemental	Shamanism (minority) Laiks Riqis(minority)	Animism
44	Kyaralath	Elemental	Carasan (unorganized) (Majority) Laiks Riqis(Minority)	Animism
45	Lacertian	Elemental	Kelarthianism (majority) Ancestor Worship (minority)	Animism
46	Intepeuh	Chacmon	-unknown-	Lord of Fire
47-A	Niskovia	Kitsanth	Circle Pagans (majority) Laiks Riqis (Minority)	Circle Pagan
47-B	Halja	Rain Dragon	Laiks Riqis (only)	Laiks Riqis
48	Karintiya	Kitsanth	Shamanism (sole)	Circle Pagans
49	Erlosse	Lord_Burch	-Unknown-	Lord of Fire
50	Sycia	HisHolyAngel	Doctrine of Frost (only)	Doctrine of Frost
51	Felitora	HisHolyAngel	Doctrine of Frost (only)	Doctrine of Frost
52	Drugaud	BladeofObliviom	Secret Teiflin Gods (majority) Doctrine of Frost (minority)	Doctrine of Frost
53	Maos	SamBurke	Golden Thunder (majority) Prowress (minority) Radurja (minority)	Radurja
54	Rannara	SamBurke	Lord of Fire/Sun (majority) Truemind "Razors" (minority)	Radurja
55	Sah'ra	SamBurke	Fire/Nature (majority) Radurja (minority)	Radurja
56	Skarval	BladeofObliviom	Doctrine of Frost (only)	Doctrine of Frost
57	The Frosskov Expanse	BladeofObliviom	Doctrine of Frost (only)	Doctrine of Frost
58	The Estglaz	BladeofObliviom	Doctrine of Frost (only)	Doctrine of Frost
59	The Glazfell	BladeofObliviom	Doctrine of Frost (only)	Doctrine of Frost
60	Borlmyn	TheWombatOfDoom	The Ocean (majority) Radurja (minority)	Lord of Fire
61	Requiem	TheWombatOfDoom	Ascension (minority)	Lord of Fire
62	Jarrland	Aedilred	Lord of Fire(C.R.)(only)	Lord of Fire
63	Discordia	Morph Bark	Hailings of the Silver Sea (majority) Ancestor (minority)	Hailings of the Silver Sea
64-A	Vennland	Aedilred	Pagan (majority) Hailings of the Silver Sea (minority)	Lord of Fire
64-B	Mularuhm	ForzaFiori	Animistic Ancestor worship (only)	Animistic Ancestor worship
65	Campestrus Pratum	Rizban	Lord of Fire (minority) Ascension (minority)	Hailings of the Silver Sea
66	Wyrmar	DurkBlanston	Hailings of the Silver Sea (majority) Ascension (minority) Wyrm Below (minority)	Hailings of the Silver Sea
67	Palas Caercia	DurkBlanston	Hailings of the Silver Sea (majority) Ancestors (minority)	Hailings of the Silver Sea
68	Pavonia	ReaderAt2046	Runes (Unorganized) (sole)	Runes (Unorganized)
68B	Norogh	ReaderAt2046	Animism (majority) Runes (Unorganized) (minority)	Runes (Unorganized)
69	Farridon	Aedilred	Halings of the Silver Sea (minority)	Lord of Fire
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74	Kaspiyskiya	Kitsanth	Animism (sole)	Circle of Pagans
76	Neo Scandza	Rain Dragon	Pagan Star Worship (majority)	Laiks Raqis
77	Valeriya	Kitsanth	Druidism (only)	Circle Pagans
-	-	-	-	-
84	Frontier	SamBurke	Unorganized Tent Revivals (Majority) Radurja (Minority)	Radurja
85	Amocuallan	TheDarkDM	-Unknown-	Tzetultep
86	Tzalteclan	TheDarkDM	Tzetultep/Dragon Cult (only)	Tzetultep
87	Elomaoli	TheDarkDM	Tzetultep/Dragon Cult (minority)	Tzetultep
88	Niemidaland	NPC	Ashmarism (minority)	Hailings of the Silver Sea
90	Galomyr	Logic	Children of Kina (minority)	Radurja
-	-	-	-	-
93	Sterkelv	DurkBlanston	Pagan (Sole)	Hailings of the Silver Sea
120	Isles of Tepetl	Yarghenforgen	-Unknown-	Druidism
121	Sanglea	qazzquimby	Rism (Unorganized) (sole)	Rism
122	The Broken Enclave	Yarghenforgen	Druidism (majority)	Druidism
130	Sea of Glass	Logic	Children of Kina (minority)	-
-	-	-	-	-

Organized Religions
As stated under the rules, only organized religions can be used mechanically (such as miracles, holy orders and conversions). The following are organized religions:

• Lord of Fire // Head of Religion: The Blazing Avatar
• Ashmar // Head of Religion: Nyllana Earthguard
• Calorum Lord of Fire Reformation // Head of Religion: The current High Priest(ess)
• Radurja // Head of Religion: Shahidi Mkuu / Chuo wa Mashahidi (College of Witnesses)
• Council of Spirits // Head of Religion: Naomh Fionn Sheenan
• Cult of the Sky // Head of Religion: Current High Shaman
• The Great Eel Spirit (see here) // Head of Religion: The Hovermaster Oberdrood
• Doctrine of Frost // Head of Religion: High Priestess Fabula
• Kelarthianism // Head of Religion: ???
• Laiks Raqis // Head of Religion: ???
• Children of Kina // Head of Religion: Eldest Child of Kina, Linden Flint
• Tzetultep/The Dragon Cult // Head of Religion: The Teotlkan

Holy Orders

• Knights of Hoarfrost - Doctrine of Frost - Glazfell
• Council of Truth - Calorum Lord of Fire Reformation - Calorum
• Quorum of the Sixteen Patriarchs - Ascension - Salteire
• Taratibu wa Mwalimu - Radurja - Genivana
• Taratibu wa Yrrmindel - Radurja - Aloren
• Taratibu wa Lunakellai - Radurja - Hrathan-Tuor
• Taratibu wa Wangaza - Radurja - Ayava
• Ittou Gakusha (Blade Scholars) - Ashamar - Kasumor
• Dragon Knights - Tzetultep/The Dragon Cult - Tzalteclan

[Sorrcerousflux]

How many "pagan" religions are there currently?

[QuintonBeck]

How many "pagan" religions are there currently?

If you mean unorganized meaning they can't spread and aren't technically religions, a bunch though not as many as there used to be. Things like "Ancestor, Animism, Spirits" and such are all separate pagan groups and that means even the Animism in Ashenia is different from the Animism in Bordeux. IC and fluff-wise they could be nearly identical but without a Faith 5 to form "Ashenian Animism" or what have you as an official religion they don't count as shared religions and even then "Ashenian Animism" would need to be spread to Bordeux to get them counting as sharing a religion.

[Aedilred]

How many "pagan" religions are there currently?

Organised religions? That would probably depend on what you define as paganism in a fantasy world. Any region without a defined organised religion can be assumed to be pagan, though, and each region will have its own version (as Quinton says).

You're right of course, but my basis is assuming that you're coming in to teach the common people the doctrine it's easier to say, "pretty much you've got everything right except this smidge here" and teach the next generation in your way then it is to come in and say "all wrong, here's the real truth of it all" Doctrinal divisions generally seem to arise between leaders of religions anyway, and if that's the case then the defender can actually roll and add their faith and their defensive bonuses rather than relying on a flat 10 +bonuses to resist it.

Yeah, that's fair enough.

Incidentally, although no religion is currently recorded for them, there is a Hailings minority in Farridon (69A) and a tiny Ashmar minority (possibly not worth recording) in Niemidaland (88).

[Lord_Burch]

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Cantroth
Region 113, Eat4free

Consul Avidiens

Current Stats:
Diplomacy 5
Military 1
Faith 2
Curiosity 1
Luck 3

Population:
87,000

Terrain

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Cantroth is a varied region. The region is an extremely mountainous region, except for a flat, medium sized oval in the center, used for mining purposes. The incessant mining has slowly turned much of the oval into a black wasteland. In the center of the oval is the massive Ode to Ovidions, the sheep god. It is 3 miles tall and is basically an eight legged, three headed sheep statue made from pure osmium. From the most Northenly point of Cantroth all the way to the South runs the Ovidion River, a 1 mile wide river running all the way through the region said to have been carved by Ovidions himself. To the far east of the Statue of Ovidions lies the capital of Cantroth, Anvigarde. Anvigarde is a huge city, twice the size of all the small villages scattered throughout Cantroth combined. It was built as a reminder to the people of what could be done if they had faith in Ovidions.

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The people of Cantroth are known as Homirums. They closely resemble satyrs, with the legs of a goat, and a body and a head of a human's with horns growing out of it. Many live in Anvigarde, but others choose the quiet life, living mainly near the Ovidion River for water or near the Ode to Ovidion in the wastelands. Nearly everyone obtains their food from the sheep, a revered and sacred animal to them. They may only eat it after many blessings and thanks to Ovidions. If a Homirum doesn't own any sheep, they are shunned or even banned from society or public places. From the years of living on the mountains, Homriums have grown into strong willed, daring people who are one with the outdoors. However, since the building of Avingarde, some people have started to prefer the controllable conditions of the indoors.

Resources

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The main resource of Cantroth is the sheep. It is used as food, currency, and clothing by everyone in the region. From the wastelands, though, they have managed to obtain vast quantities of osmium and oil. Most of their large buildings or structures are made from osmium because of its durability and strength. The oil is used for fire and fuel for people's homes. The people do depend heavily on imports of wood, as trees as a hard to find due to the high altitudes of the mountains and the wastelands.

Religion

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The main religion is Cantroth is Ovidianism. The people follow the readings of the Great Book, which tells them to, in short, treat others kindly and fairly unless provoked. They believe that Ovidions will always lead them to peace, victory, and glory if they follow and listen to him.

May I get this approved per chance?

Dredging this back up, since A) he's been asking and B) it's been largely ignored/not been approved. Yes, it looks fine to me, though I certainly may have forgotten some requirements. The only real complaint (and it's not something that would keep you from playing) is that you're missing the preferred format (found here) and you're missing the technologies tab, which really shouldn't matter, since you possess none and that mostly tracked by QB nowadays.

[Sorrcerousflux]

Thanks for the info.

Also fluff is up on my first IC post hope its up to code.

[Sorrcerousflux]

So im dumb and failed to do two things when I made my ruler,

1. I didnt roll for luck (should really do that I guess)

2. and I didnt add +1 to the two attributes like I was meant too.

Guess I failed really hard then.

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Id add +1 to curiosity and diplomacy by the way.

[QuintonBeck]

Dredging this back up, since A) he's been asking and B) it's been largely ignored/not been approved. Yes, it looks fine to me, though I certainly may have forgotten some requirements. The only real complaint (and it's not something that would keep you from playing) is that you're missing the preferred format (found here) and you're missing the technologies tab, which really shouldn't matter, since you possess none and that mostly tracked by QB nowadays.

I believe Morph is gone for a couple days, that said I would assume it's likely approved and Eat can go ahead and start with an action post and/or event attendance. If there are any issues I'm sure they'd be minor and could be looked at later.

So im dumb and failed to do two things when I made my ruler,

1. I didnt roll for luck (should really do that I guess)

2. and I didnt add +1 to the two attributes like I was meant too.

Guess I failed really hard then.

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Id add +1 to curiosity and diplomacy by the way.

If you haven't gone ahead and added the +1s in for your attributes go ahead and do so. Heck, most of the time folks don't figure out where stat bonuses are going until they're posting up their ruler's stats in their action post. Speaking of, it'd be awesome if you could add a little spoiler to your Actions post for this round with your ruler's name, title, and assigned stats and a link to the rolls for said stats since that'll make it easier to add you into the leadership table at the end of the round/beginning of next.

[Lord_Burch]

I believe Morph is gone for a couple days, that said I would assume it's likely approved and Eat can go ahead and start with an action post and/or event attendance. If there are any issues I'm sure they'd be minor and could be looked at later.

I do know that Morph has responded to a PM 4 sent to him, though I don't know what he said. I mainly posted my reply to him because there had been no one who had posted confirming that it was alright for okay, though I did tell him that it was fine when I read it before he posted.

[Sorrcerousflux]

Finished with actions (unless something pretty dramatic changes) and more fluff, ive also got original, and current stats (plus noted increases.

I also set up a trading post, no sure what resource to copy yet, but with that I hope to set up my first acts of diplomacy; woot.

Setting up a trading post isnt an act of aggression right? its name even implies co-operation. Hopping I didnt make a mistake, it would be so embarrassing.

[QuintonBeck]

Finished with actions (unless something pretty dramatic changes) and more fluff, ive also got original, and current stats (plus noted increases.

I also set up a trading post, no sure what resource to copy yet, but with that I hope to set up my first acts of diplomacy; woot.

Setting up a trading post isnt an act of aggression right? its name even implies co-operation. Hopping I didnt make a mistake, it would be so embarrassing.

You should probably shift your Great Project work all into the beginning player actions since only those bonus actions can be used to work on the same project via multiple actions.

Also, you might want to specify that you're using a Curiosity 5 action for the coral.

And, well, no not technically it isn't aggressive but most people so far have worked out some sort of trade for allowing a trading post in their lands. That said, just going right ahead and building one could lead to some interesting interactions down the line.

[Aedilred]

Finished with actions (unless something pretty dramatic changes) and more fluff, ive also got original, and current stats (plus noted increases.

I also set up a trading post, no sure what resource to copy yet, but with that I hope to set up my first acts of diplomacy; woot.

Setting up a trading post isnt an act of aggression right? its name even implies co-operation. Hopping I didnt make a mistake, it would be so embarrassing.

It's not overtly an aggressive act per se, but it's not not one either. In general, it's a good idea to get permission first: you may see quite a lot of actions going through at events with one party giving another one permission to set up a trading post, since it's fundamentally an unequal relationship unless they're also allowed to set up a trading post in your territory. Or they might have pre-existing informal relationships and/or promises that someone else can set up a trading post there.

It also depends on the resource. Setting up an unauthorised trading post on Shengdi for Goats is at worst probably going to net you a letter of disapproval and maybe a re-takeover of it if they're really annoyed. A trading post in Raaneka for Berundas would almost certainly start a war.

In this case I don't really mind, depending on what resource you want a post for.

[Sorrcerousflux]

It's not overtly an aggressive act per se, but it's not not one either. In general, it's a good idea to get permission first: you may see quite a lot of actions going through at events with one party giving another one permission to set up a trading post, since it's fundamentally an unequal relationship unless they're also allowed to set up a trading post in your territory. Or they might have pre-existing informal relationships and/or promises that someone else can set up a trading post there.

It also depends on the resource. Setting up an unauthorised trading post on Shengdi for Goats is at worst probably going to net you a letter of disapproval and maybe a re-takeover of it if they're really annoyed. A trading post in Raaneka for Berundas would almost certainly start a war.

In this case I don't really mind, depending on what resource you want a post for.

Well I needed a good way to make first contact and setting up a literal trading post were the nix trade with some people to get a small amount of resources. Ill work on comunication in the future.

Ill also edit my post (again) to make things cooler.

EDIT: Is timber cool with you Aedilred?

[Aedilred]

Well I needed a good way to make first contact and setting up a literal trading post were the nix trade with some people to get a small amount of resources. Ill work on comunication in the future.

Ill also edit my post (again) to make things cooler.

Note that trading posts aren't the only way to trade (unless all resources are saturated). Agreed bilateral trades are more common - in fact, necessarily so since you can only have two trading posts per region, and up to eighteen normal trades if resources are expanded to capacity.

Edit: Timber is indeed ok, although I'll need to get some more of that from somewhere soon enough, I think.

[Sorrcerousflux]

Note that trading posts aren't the only way to trade (unless all resources are saturated). Agreed bilateral trades are more common - in fact, necessarily so since you can only have two trading posts per region, and up to eighteen normal trades if resources are expanded to capacity.

Edit: Timber is indeed ok, although I'll need to get some more of that from somewhere soon enough, I think.

Nobodies meet the Nix and they have no knowlage of global politics, thy are curious about the world and trading is one of the ways the intend to do that.

Also note that im just setting up interactions between the Nix and Jarrlanders so that the relationship can eventually grow.

[lt_murgen]

It also depends on the resource. Setting up an unauthorised trading post on Shengdi for Goats is at worst probably going to net you a letter of disapproval and maybe a re-takeover of it if they're really annoyed. A trading post in Raaneka for Berundas would almost certainly start a war.

I believe there is also a maximum of two trading posts per region. So setting up one in someone else's region limits their flexibility.

[SamBurke]

Finished with actions (unless something pretty dramatic changes) and more fluff, ive also got original, and current stats (plus noted increases.

I also set up a trading post, no sure what resource to copy yet, but with that I hope to set up my first acts of diplomacy; woot.

Setting up a trading post isnt an act of aggression right? its name even implies co-operation. Hopping I didnt make a mistake, it would be so embarrassing.

I believe there is also a maximum of two trading posts per region. So setting up one in someone else's region limits their flexibility.

Yeah. It's considered inconvenient, so some people will dislike it.

That said, if you wanna trade trading posts (IE, I build one you build one) I'd be pretty open to that.

[BladeofObliviom]

We have a big problem. I've posted this in a couple of places before, but my civilization has an irrational terror of aquatic races, due to their legend's equivalent of demons being banished beneath the waves. If you'd surfaced way down north or far to the East or West, they might have missed you or just not been willing to send the army halfway across the world. As it is, though, you're right next door. They are going to hear about your existence, and unless something pretty serious happens to stop them, they are going to send their legions to wipe out your trading post and kill any of your people who show their face above water. I don't especially want to be the bully to the new player, and I really don't want to end up at war with the Kingdom of the Carmine Sea, but I don't really have any clue what could be done to avert such a war, short of your civ being in a different part of the world.

An unwillingness to blithely charge into battle against an unknown enemy with unknown capabilities who live in an environment that's somewhat inhospitable to invading land troops? I know I wouldn't declare war on an underwater civilization without some way of producing useful underwater soldiers or at least to destroy things that are underwater with some efficacy.

[SamBurke]

We have a big problem. I've posted this in a couple of places before, but my civilization has an irrational terror of aquatic races, due to their legend's equivalent of demons being banished beneath the waves. If you'd surfaced way down north or far to the East or West, they might have missed you or just not been willing to send the army halfway across the world. As it is, though, you're right next door. They are going to hear about your existence, and unless something pretty serious happens to stop them, they are going to send their legions to wipe out your trading post and kill any of your people who show their face above water. I don't especially want to be the bully to the new player, and I really don't want to end up at war with the Kingdom of the Carmine Sea, but I don't really have any clue what could be done to avert such a war, short of your civ being in a different part of the world.

Guilder could step in and orchestrate something... It'd probably be better to let a peaceful nation deal with that. I suggest asking Celero or Serendel, as they're some of the most calm and diplomatic of those in the world.

[Morph Bark]

Wait, I have an idea. I've been considering for some time having the Faeren (basically the "gods" of Pavonian legend) return. They'd be the one group that could actually convince the Pavonians that these Nixdarum are not Formor. Hmm... I'll let that idea percolate for a bit. I still have a few days before I need to send armies.

If those Faeren are actually Fae in nature I guess it is real convenient that there are some royal families with fae blood... Including the House of Li.

Also, 'ello again all. Have I ever made mention I hate school administration? Because I do. I always have to make literally dozens upon dozens of calls at the start of each year to ensure everything is in order, because even when I fill out everything right a lot of things go wrong.

[Sorrcerousflux]

If those Faeren are actually Fae in nature I guess it is real convenient that there are some royal families with fae blood... Including the House of Li.

Also, 'ello again all. Have I ever made mention I hate school administration? Because I do. I always have to make literally dozens upon dozens of calls at the start of each year to ensure everything is in order, because even when I fill out everything right a lot of things go wrong.

Your a princeable? oh dear

*proceeds to hide under desk*

Sorry bad memories

My answer to this whole "im going to immediately kill you after your first post because of my people old myths with no chance of deliberation" from ReaderAt2046 is,

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No... allow me to explain, while im sure you could defeat my poor fledgling nation in any military fashion I dont have to fight you, however if you try to fight me, you will find it difficult to not only really do any damage (not counting minor irritation) to me. You will however be invading another country, and I will happily assist said country in promptly routing you and counter attacking.

Words of wisdom: dont get into I fight with an empire you do not have any means of knowing of, fighting, or really have any reason. (from a story telling perspective) No offence