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    Hey everyone, Im curious if there is any exotic two handed weapon that has a bigger dmg dice then the normal 2d6 or 1d12? Or are they all bigger threat range or bigger multiplier only?

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    I'm pretty sure that damage dies for medium weapons are capped at 2d6 or 1d12, though I think the Fullblade (A&EG) might be 2d8 or something like that, but the thing is that is is a 3.0 book and weapon sized functioned differently then.
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    The Great Crossbow has 2d8 on it with an 18-20 critical range.
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    The Sugliin from Frostburn is a hilarious two-handed reach weapon with 2d8 damage dice. It's a bunch of antlers tied to the end of a big stick, and you attack by waving it around. Making one attack with it is a full-round action. You need EWP with it to use it without penalty, but then you have to take the Sugliin Mastery feat if you want to attack with it once as a standard action or if you want to make a full attack with it.

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    Default Re: Bigger then normal dmg dice 2-handed weapon?

    Referencing the Ginormous List, there are three weapons that deal 2d8 damage.

    The Sugliin, from Frostburn is a two-handed primitive exotic weapon that apparently takes a full round to attack with. It is basically a large stick with antlers tied to the half you aren't holding.

    The Great Crossbow, from Races of Stone is exactly what it sounds like. A bigger crossbow. It also happens to have the critical range of a rapier (18-20), but does not benefit from Rapid Reload by RAW, so isn't so great at high levels without finding a way to make it reload itself.

    The Fullblade, from Sword and Fist (a 3e supplement), is a bigger greatsword (actually deals damage as a large-sized bastard sword) that requires exotic proficiency to use, because it's so darn big.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dusk Eclipse View Post
    I'm pretty sure that damage dies for medium weapons are capped at 2d6 or 1d12, though I think the Fullblade (A&EG) might be 2d8 or something like that, but the thing is that is is a 3.0 book and weapon sized functioned differently then.
    I don't see anything that would make it not work as given, though. It acts a little weird, but not incompatibly so.

    Other than the two mentioned, there's the sugliin from Frostburn. Not that I recommend using it, though, as it requires two feats to actually work. And of course a monk's unarmed strikes hit 2d8 at 16th level, but that makes the sugliin look attractive.

    There are effects that increase the damage die, such as shillelagh and greater mighty wallop. Starting at level 8, you can combine the two to get a quarterstaff that deals 6d6 damage, and by level 20 you could have an unarmed strike (using Superior Unarmed Strike, not monk) that does 8d6 damage. (As far as I can tell, there's no table for monks larger than Large, and the 2d10 base damage isn't on the normal weapon size table.)

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    There are lots more though. For instance, the DMG includes the 6d8 Antimatter Rifle.

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    Thanks for the answers. :)

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    The Platinum and Gold special materials in Magic of Faerun boost a 2d6 or 1d12 weapon to a 2d8 one, but makes it require Exotic Weapon Proficiency.
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    The greatcleaver is a 2d8 exotic two-handed slashing melee weapon with reach and a x3 crit mod, costing 40gp and weighing 15 lbs.
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    A small shovel ("scoop") does 1d10. Sizing up a 1d10 weapon gets you 2d8 most of the time, and the natural weapon charts agree with that, so there's something there :D
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    A small shovel ("scoop") does 1d10. Sizing up a 1d10 weapon gets you 2d8 most of the time, and the natural weapon charts agree with that, so there's something there :D
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    A small shovel ("scoop") does 1d10. Sizing up a 1d10 weapon gets you 2d8 most of the time, and the natural weapon charts agree with that, so there's something there :D
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    In races of stone there is the Goliath great hammer. Play anything large or with monstrous build and it does 3d6.

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    With the Hammer Fist feat (Dragon Compendium, page 100), unarmed strike becomes the supreme "two-handed" weapon. Be a Small PC. Get a Fanged Ring (grants Improved Unarmed Strike and Improved Natural Attack (unarmed strike), take Superior Unarmed Strike (Tome of Battle). Have your party Sorcerer/Wizard with CL20 cast Greater Mighty Wallop on you. If you're level 16+ (with no Monk levels), your base unarmed damage from Superior Unarmed Strike and Improved Natural Attack (unarmed strike) will be 3d6. Greater Mighty Wallop boosts that from Small size to effective Colossal, making it 16d6. As a two-handed attack with Hammer Fist, you add 1˝ times your Strength bonus.

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    I'd say your best bet is to get Strongarm Bracers and go up one weapon size.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Curmudgeon View Post
    With the Hammer Fist feat (Dragon Compendium, page 100), unarmed strike becomes the supreme "two-handed" weapon. Be a Small PC. Get a Fanged Ring (grants Improved Unarmed Strike and Improved Natural Attack (unarmed strike), take Superior Unarmed Strike (Tome of Battle). Have your party Sorcerer/Wizard with CL20 cast Greater Mighty Wallop on you. If you're level 16+ (with no Monk levels), your base unarmed damage from Superior Unarmed Strike and Improved Natural Attack (unarmed strike) will be 3d6. Greater Mighty Wallop boosts that from Small size to effective Colossal, making it 16d6. As a two-handed attack with Hammer Fist, you add 1˝ times your Strength bonus.
    Come on Curmudgeon, you know that's small potatoes as far as monk damage goes. Get a +5 modifier to UMD and take a Host feat. Now buy 4 Ectoplasmic Fists and enjoy your 64d6 damage instead.
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    Come on Curmudgeon, you know that's small potatoes as far as monk damage goes. Get a +5 modifier to UMD and take a Host feat. Now buy 4 Ectoplasmic Fists and enjoy your 64d6 damage instead.
    I have no idea what you're going on about. There's no Monk damage involved in my post. Also, what do Ectoplasmic Fist Shards have to do with the "2-handed weapon" topic?

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    I have no idea what you're going on about. There's no Monk damage involved in my post. Also, what do Ectoplasmic Fist Shards have to do with the "2-handed weapon" topic?
    Fair enough, it's not "monk" damage, but it is stacking unarmed damage increases, which is what the monk does.

    The Ectoplasmic Fist Shards have exactly as much to do with the 2-handed weapon topic as Greater Mighty Wallop, being effective size increases and all.
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    The shovel is technically called a Scoop, and can be found in the stats for the third edition Autognomes. :D
    It's not entirely obvious if they count as natural or manufactured weapons, though.
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    Easiest and cheapest thing to do would be have an Improvised Weapon. Something weighing 51-100 lbs will deal 3d6 damage. 101-200 lbs and you've got yourself a 4d6 weapon. Then again, you'd probably have some rather nasty penalties for trying to use a table as a weapon…

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    There are effects that increase the damage die, such as shillelagh and greater mighty wallop. Starting at level 8, you can combine the two to get a quarterstaff that deals 6d6 damage, and by level 20 you could have an unarmed strike (using Superior Unarmed Strike, not monk) that does 8d6 damage. (As far as I can tell, there's no table for monks larger than Large, and the 2d10 base damage isn't on the normal weapon size table.)
    For a 2d10 sized up to Large, you would get 4d8 (at least according to the table I'm looking at).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shining Wrath View Post
    I'd say your best bet is to get Strongarm Bracers and go up one weapon size.
    And then go up another size with Enlarge Person, which will take your Fullblade damage from 2d8 to 4d8, plus whatever enhancement bonus and Power Attack damage modifiers you care to stack.

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    Make the Fullblade out of Platinum or Gold - a 2d8 weapon goes up to 4d6. With Strongarm Bracers that's 6d6, throw in Powerful Build for 8d6... and we're still Medium.

    Let's say we're a Wu Jen gish who's barely able to get Persisted Giant Size in a 9th level slot. (Easily possible.) If you go up one size category, you're at 12d6.

    Giant Size makes you go up /four/. We're at an effective weapon size of Colossal+++. Which is pretty good.

    But let's try it with a Monk's Unarmed Strike at level 20. (We'll say you're a Tashalatora STP Erudite to get access to the abilities you need.)
    So, you start out with a 2d10 unarmed strike.
    Then we use Greater Mighty Wallop. 12d8.

    And THEN we use Giant Size. Colossal++++, oh my. There are no rules for weapons getting that big, but if we scale each 1d8 up seperately... that's 72d6 damage dice.
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    once you have 2 damage dice, be they d6 or d8, this is the likely pattern

    Code:
     2d6 +50% = 3d6
     3d6 +33% = 4d6
     4d6 +50% = 6d6
     6d6 +33% = 8d6
     8d6 +50% = 12d6
    12d6 +33% = 16d6
    16d6 +50% = 24d6
    24d6 +33% = 32d6
    32d6 +50% = 48d6
    48d6 +33% = 64d6
    64d6 +50% = 96d6
    Code:
     2d8 +50% = 3d8
     3d8 +33% = 4d8
     4d8 +50% = 6d8
     6d8 +33% = 8d8
     8d8 +50% = 12d8
    12d8 +33% = 16d8
    16d8 +50% = 24d8
    24d8 +33% = 32d8
    32d8 +50% = 48d8
    48d8 +33% = 64d8
    64d8 +50% = 96d8
    as for a typical lvl 20 monk of medium size, I would put their damage at 3d8 instead of 2d10

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