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    I agree! A lot of my house rules are made around this idea: we only have a little time to game, so lets game!

    I can't stand people who try and disrupt or stop the game: The Problem Players.

    ''Just play the game''
    Surely you're joking. Everything you do in your game adds extra pointless time to everything, from rolling extra dice (d% every time you cast a summon spell, for instance) to straight up telling people that no, they do a different thing from the thing they said they wanted to do.
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    I'm going to be honest, "the Welsh became a Great Power and conquered Germany" is almost exactly the opposite of the explanation I was expecting

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    Quote Originally Posted by jedipotter View Post
    I agree! A lot of my house rules are made around this idea: we only have a little time to game, so lets game!

    I can't stand people who try and disrupt or stop the game: The Problem Players.

    ''Just play the game''
    The only thing here would be that everyone at the table has to aggree on what it means to disrupt the game. That's different from person to person. Myself , I've never played an alignment change. I don't have time for it. And neither does my table.If I want to be a good guy that turns evil.....then he used to be good and is evil now.

    If we get hung up on how a certain rule or mechanic works, we just all come to a compromise (even the DM) and that's how it works and move on. Between sessions well try to figure out the rule so we can do it right next time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flickerdart View Post
    Surely you're joking. Everything you do in your game adds extra pointless time to everything, from rolling extra dice (d% every time you cast a summon spell, for instance) to straight up telling people that no, they do a different thing from the thing they said they wanted to do.
    Indeed. It would be pretty trivial to just let the cleric do their silly interrogation thing without any deity-based consequences. If you just want a fun and random time, that seems like a perfectly viable path.

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    Putting aside whether I'd like the idea of this happening in a game I'm playing in (as an isolated event I'd actually have mixed feelings at worst), I really don't see Corellon Larethian disapproving of one of his clerics torturing a Drow for the location of a stash of Drow treasure that the cleric then intends to steal, at least not strongly enough to act on it. Sure his alignment line says "Good," but when push comes to shove he's a racist and an asshat more than anything else.
    Glad I'm not the only one who thinks Corellon Larethian is a racist and an asshat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jedipotter View Post
    Glad I'm not the only one who thinks Corellon Larethian is a racist and an asshat.
    How do you read a post that disagrees with you completely and then misinterpret it like that?
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    How do you read a post that disagrees with you completely and then misinterpret it like that?
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    How do you read a post that disagrees with you completely and then misinterpret it like that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flickerdart View Post
    How do you read a post that disagrees with you completely and then misinterpret it like that?
    I'm more concerned with the fact that jedipotter's version of Corellon is a genocidal ****head but wouldn't cotton to torturing a drow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flickerdart View Post
    How do you read a post that disagrees with you completely and then misinterpret it like that?
    It's only a partial disagreement. We agree that Corellon Larethian is a racist asshat, but disagree as to where being a racist asshat ranks on his list of priorities relative to being Good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sith_Happens View Post
    It's only a partial disagreement. We agree that Corellon Larethian is a racist asshat, but disagree as to where being a racist asshat ranks on his list of priorities relative to being Good.
    Neither of the acts (torture or murder) is Good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff the Green View Post
    I'm more concerned with the fact that jedipotter's version of Corellon is a genocidal ****head but wouldn't cotton to torturing a drow.
    Corellon Larethian has no problem with genocide of the whole drow race (and orc race, for that matter). But he draws the line a torture (most of the time, he is fine with ticking clock torture, for example). So, yes kill all the drow (and orcs), but find another way to get treasure other then torture.

    Even good gods have standards.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flickerdart View Post
    Neither of the acts (torture or murder) is Good.
    Right, and the disagreement is whether Corellon would rank that as more or less important than Drow-hate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jedipotter View Post
    Corellon Larethian has no problem with genocide of the whole drow race (and orc race, for that matter). But he draws the line a torture (most of the time, he is fine with ticking clock torture, for example). So, yes kill all the drow (and orcs), but find another way to get treasure other then torture.

    Even good gods have standards.....
    That doesn't exactly help. Aside from the fact that a genocidal ****head can be a Good god in your world, torturing one drow is worse than annihilating their entire race.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff the Green View Post
    That doesn't exactly help. Aside from the fact that a genocidal ****head can be a Good god in your world, torturing one drow is worse than annihilating their entire race.

    Corellon Larethian is a complex god.

    He hates the drow most of all and really, really just wants them gone. They are living examples of his worst mistake/failure as the god of elves of all time. And he sees it as cleaning up the mess/mistake he made. And the drow are not exactly a natural race, as they were created from Corellon Larethian's blood, so him killing all the drow is no different then a mortal getting a haircut...

    So kill the drow, but don't torture them....unless you have to for a good reason, like a ticking clock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jedipotter View Post
    Corellon Larethian is a complex god.

    He hates the drow most of all and really, really just wants them gone. They are living examples of his worst mistake/failure as the god of elves of all time. And he sees it as cleaning up the mess/mistake he made. And the drow are not exactly a natural race, as they were created from Corellon Larethian's blood, so him killing all the drow is no different then a mortal getting a haircut...

    So kill the drow, but don't torture them....unless you have to for a good reason, like a ticking clock.
    Uh huh. So your hair is sentient, then. Good to know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff the Green View Post
    Uh huh. So your hair is sentient, then. Good to know.
    This is complex god stuff....

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    Uh huh. So your hair is sentient, then. Good to know.
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    Rather than harp on about JP and how his houserules are awful, I'll actually answer the original question.

    What do I expect? I expect the following.
    • The DM to be straightforward with his rules.
    • I expect consistency with his rules.
    • I expect that if he's going to use my character to advance a plot point he at least gives me forewarning about it, and at most that he asks if its ok to use my character for plot development.
    • I expect that the DM will allow my character to act in the way I deem he acts. If that means an alignment shift, or falling, or some other less than favorable status, so be it. I wouldn't have played a class with an Ex-[Class] section without being aware of it.
    • I expect that any class or book bans be reasonable. For example
      • No faerun books in an eberron campaign.
      • Not banning something because "I don't like X about it." without further explanation AND an actual knowledge of how the book works.
      • Banning something because you don't have a book. (Granted, since I practically only play online, if they don't have a book I'll gladly share my library with them.)
      • Banning T1 because they break the game.
      • Banning T6 because they can't handle their own.

    • I expect that the DM will actually talk to the players when there is a problem.


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    Quote Originally Posted by kellbyb View Post
    Yeah, the problem with that is the code is never defined.
    Deities and demigods and faith and pantheons (amongst other) do define such code of conduct. Care to shift the goalpost some more ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amphetryon View Post
    Out of (morbid) curiosity, given that European martial arts also give names to their specific maneuvers, what specifically makes ToB 'anime' rather than 'European Renaissance'? Specific page numbers or quotes would be helpful.
    Sure but remember the context here is that ToB isn't reflective of real word martial arts, at least compared to other D&D content. The usage of the word "anime" is a useful catch-all for over the top martial superpowers that are oft exemplified in the genre. Content such as "Perfect Clarify of Mind and Body", "Scorching Sirocco" from the tactical feat section alone (page 35), I'd question "lasting weak spot" under "Distant Horizon" as well (page 34). Avenging strike, vital recovery from the general feat section also come into play. Even devoted bulwark is a bit questionable in terms of it's correlation to realism, I'm pretty sure that someone's already expected to be actively defending themselves and stepping it up is called "fighting defensively" or "full defense". I won't touch on the divine or psionic elements.

    How deep do you want to evaluate? The difference in Northern vs. Southern styles from Asian traditions and how to most accurately replicate them? Armed combat from European traditions? Heck, take one of the basics you'll learn in just about any martial art, 90% of fights end on the ground and you better learn to fall. The monk's laughable slow fall ability does a better job of representing this than any of the classes in that book but that, getting used to falling, is actually closer to realism than most of the content I'm seeing in ToB (albeit probably not from such heights). Same thing as having easier access to grapple via a feat. Given your name let's talk Pankration, the pinnacle competition of ancient greek martial arts. Almost nothing in ToB is stylistically comparable. Heck, a rogue might be more realistic if they had crippling strike.

    Where would you like to go next? Why turning incorporal isn't realistic of martial arts? Here, I just flipped open to page 60 randomly, let me start. "Martial Spirit" (if that was realistic we'd have doctors punching nurses instead of surgery to heal the patient), "Radiant charge" (pretty sure most real swords don't care if you're evil), Rallying Strike (again with the healing), "Revitalizing Strike" (again, alignment isn't important in the real world as far as a sword's concerned). Shield block and shield counter I'll grant have some basis (kinda skeptical about shield counter but sure, let's go with it). Strike of the righteous is another.

    So, still honestly want to tell me ToB is a more realistic reflection of real world martial arts? Honestly a vanilla fighter is more realistic than some of this

    Edit: Sorry, this was a bit of a catch all gear in part towards some other comments. European Reconnaissance doesn't share quite the same incorporation of super powered extra worldy fighting, closest analogy I can think of is Anime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elderand View Post
    Deities and demigods and faith and pantheons (amongst other) do define such code of conduct. Care to shift the goalpost some more ?
    I just ctrl-F'd "Code of conduct" in both of those books and found nothing. That said, I wouldn't have been surprised if I had found something since I've barely read Deities and Demigods and didn't even know Faiths and Pantheons existed. If you can give me specific examples with page numbers, I'll be more than happy to believe you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kellbyb View Post
    I just ctrl-F'd "Code of conduct" in both of those books and found nothing. That said, I wouldn't have been surprised if I had found something since I've barely read Deities and Demigods and didn't even know Faiths and Pantheons existed. If you can give me specific examples with page numbers, I'll be more than happy to believe you.
    Under every god in those books are two entry, "dogma" and "clergy and temples"

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    Right, and the disagreement is whether Corellon would rank that as more or less important than Drow-hate.
    Honestly, I don't see any contradiction here. I mean, the Drow torture all the time, right? So wouldn't torturing them make someone more similar to the Drow? I can see him abhorring torture on the sole basis of it being a Drow-like thing to do.

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    Seriously?
    ...
    Let's take this from the top.



    —If you need something that's higher than 6th level to imprison casters then you're doing it wrong and your setting is either terrible or has bizarre scaling.

    Seriously, just waterboard them once a day to keep them unconscious, maybe use some effect so they don't need to eat. Or use magic to keep them asleep. And don't keep them alone.
    Oh yes, let's rely on neverending torture or will saves - clearly the bane of any spellcaster, before we even get to the natural 20s they'll inevitably roll - to solve the problem forever. And you have the gall to ask if I'm being serious?

    Also, OotS is a terrible setting - yes, I'm sure you're basing this on *snerk* your considerable experience building worlds of... actually, I can't even finish this sentence.

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    Honestly, if you've got a guy who can punch through a wall given a few hours, you don't leave him alone. Ever. If you can capture a mage, you can keep the mage captured.
    But can you do it and maintain your alignment? Good (and hell, even neutral) societies imprison (without torture, whatever you weirdly seem to think) because the alternative is disproportionate punishment by executing everyone regardless of crime.

    Or perhaps you advocate maiming them instead? Rip their tongues out or cut off their hands to stop them from using verbal and somatic components? To your warped viewpoint, that would be acceptable, right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arkhaic View Post
    For some reason people seem to think "imprisoned" means "stuck in a cell," rather than meaning "constantly watched, kept from doing anything, and possibly interrogated and/or tortured," which is what would happen to PCs and similar creatures.
    Constant torture I've addressed above. "Kept from doing anything" you've yet to demonstrate a tenable way of doing that. "Interrogated" - for what? "Watched" by who?

    AMF is a key component of any D&D setting worth the paper it's printed on. It also keeps their friends from teleporting in, knocking our your jail staff easily and busting them out. Or, simply pulling them out of there or sending a disposable summon to pick them up.

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    Killing someone who would go on to kill others is at worst a neutral act if you aren't torturing them or the like.
    You do know that there are crimes besides murder, right? What about a mad mage who uses his powers to commit arson, but only uninhabited buildings? No loss of life, just lots and lots of property damage. Do you string him up, or let him roam free? Obviously neither is acceptable. How about a Beguiler con or second-story man who uses their powers to steal from the city's powerful? A crime certainly, but is execution a worthy punishment? What about a sorcerer or wilder who can't control her powers and is a danger to all around her? Say she hasn't killed anyone yet and needs to be taught control, but you need to keep her in one place long enough to get her the help she needs. Would you torture all of these individuals or render them comatose indefinitely? Would you station NPC guards with all of them, people who are likely quite ill-equipped to do anything should your drugs wear off or they pass their saves? Or would you stick adventurers with all of them, people who are the smallest minority of the population even if you did find folks willing to stick around in prison with each of your captives?

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    Under every god in those books are two entry, "dogma" and "clergy and temples"
    Since it's not explicitly called out as a code of conduct, it has no effect as per RAW. That said, I would have no trouble with the DM issuing a cleric PC warnings via divine proxy if they cross a line or two or even stripping them of their powers if they don't learn after the first few chastising angels.
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    Since it's not explicitly called out as a code of conduct, it has no effect as per RAW. That said, I would have no trouble with the DM issuing a cleric PC warnings via divine proxy if they cross a line or two or even stripping them of their powers if they don't learn after the first few chastising angels.
    That has to be the flimsiest RAW argument I've seen in this forum in a while.

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    That has to be the flimsiest RAW argument I've seen in this forum in a while.

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    Yeah, I was pretty much being facetious.
    Quote Originally Posted by A_Moon View Post
    How many times, when the Fighter says "I draw my sword", did you just want to smack that cheating-optimizer in the face and say "No! You don't draw your sword! You draw Orcus!". When the Cleric says "I run away from Orcus!": "No! You run into Orcus! Rogue tries to hide? He hides behind Orcus! The bard in a tavern on the other side the town tries to order a drink? How about a nice frothy mug of Orcus?
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    Where would you like to go next? Why turning incorporal isn't realistic of martial arts? Here, I just flipped open to page 60 randomly, let me start. "Martial Spirit" (if that was realistic we'd have doctors punching nurses instead of surgery to heal the patient), "Radiant charge" (pretty sure most real swords don't care if you're evil), Rallying Strike (again with the healing), "Revitalizing Strike" (again, alignment isn't important in the real world as far as a sword's concerned). Shield block and shield counter I'll grant have some basis (kinda skeptical about shield counter but sure, let's go with it). Strike of the righteous is another.
    Oh for the love of...

    So, still honestly want to tell me ToB is a more realistic reflection of real world martial arts? .
    I will. Try looking at one of the other 8 Disciplines that isn't Devoted Spirit, the one explicitly only available to the Paladin-alike. You know, like Iron Heart. or Diamond Mind. Setting Sun or Tiger Claw, even. Pretty much any of the maneuvers from Desert Wind that are about mobility or multiple attacks.

    Meanwhile in DnD literally anyone can focus on combat a bit/ and suddenly start healing rapidly. Such realism.
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    Default Re: What do you expect from D&D?

    Quote Originally Posted by Terazul View Post
    I will. Try looking at one of the other 8 Disciplines that isn't Devoted Spirit, the one explicitly only available to the Paladin-alike.
    Wait, you mean I can't just focus on the stuff that proves my argument? I have to look at all the information?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jedipotter View Post
    Corellon Larethian has no problem with genocide of the whole drow race (and orc race, for that matter). But he draws the line a torture (most of the time, he is fine with ticking clock torture, for example). So, yes kill all the drow (and orcs), but find another way to get treasure other then torture.

    Even good gods have standards.....
    The phrase is, "Even Evil Has Standards".


    Not that it matters because this thread is on it's way to being locked with the genocidal racist ***** of a "Good" guy being brought up again.

    Rather than discussing the benefits of pre-emptively wiping out all life in Europe and then killing all Caucasian people in the world to prevent the return of the Nazis. Let me rectify the mistake I made the last time genocide was brought up in one of your threads jedi.

    Let's ask The Giant what he thinks about genocide.
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