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2014-08-30, 11:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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Surely you're joking. Everything you do in your game adds extra pointless time to everything, from rolling extra dice (d% every time you cast a summon spell, for instance) to straight up telling people that no, they do a different thing from the thing they said they wanted to do.
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2014-08-30, 11:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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The only thing here would be that everyone at the table has to aggree on what it means to disrupt the game. That's different from person to person. Myself , I've never played an alignment change. I don't have time for it. And neither does my table.If I want to be a good guy that turns evil.....then he used to be good and is evil now.
If we get hung up on how a certain rule or mechanic works, we just all come to a compromise (even the DM) and that's how it works and move on. Between sessions well try to figure out the rule so we can do it right next time.
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Corellon Larethian has no problem with genocide of the whole drow race (and orc race, for that matter). But he draws the line a torture (most of the time, he is fine with ticking clock torture, for example). So, yes kill all the drow (and orcs), but find another way to get treasure other then torture.
Even good gods have standards.....
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2014-08-31, 12:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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Corellon Larethian is a complex god.
He hates the drow most of all and really, really just wants them gone. They are living examples of his worst mistake/failure as the god of elves of all time. And he sees it as cleaning up the mess/mistake he made. And the drow are not exactly a natural race, as they were created from Corellon Larethian's blood, so him killing all the drow is no different then a mortal getting a haircut...
So kill the drow, but don't torture them....unless you have to for a good reason, like a ticking clock.
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2014-08-31, 01:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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Rather than harp on about JP and how his houserules are awful, I'll actually answer the original question.
What do I expect? I expect the following.
- The DM to be straightforward with his rules.
- I expect consistency with his rules.
- I expect that if he's going to use my character to advance a plot point he at least gives me forewarning about it, and at most that he asks if its ok to use my character for plot development.
- I expect that the DM will allow my character to act in the way I deem he acts. If that means an alignment shift, or falling, or some other less than favorable status, so be it. I wouldn't have played a class with an Ex-[Class] section without being aware of it.
- I expect that any class or book bans be reasonable. For example
- No faerun books in an eberron campaign.
- Not banning something because "I don't like X about it." without further explanation AND an actual knowledge of how the book works.
- Banning something because you don't have a book. (Granted, since I practically only play online, if they don't have a book I'll gladly share my library with them.)
- Banning T1 because they break the game.
- Banning T6 because they can't handle their own.
- I expect that the DM will actually talk to the players when there is a problem.
Trying to remember if I have missed anything.
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2014-08-31, 08:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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Sure but remember the context here is that ToB isn't reflective of real word martial arts, at least compared to other D&D content. The usage of the word "anime" is a useful catch-all for over the top martial superpowers that are oft exemplified in the genre. Content such as "Perfect Clarify of Mind and Body", "Scorching Sirocco" from the tactical feat section alone (page 35), I'd question "lasting weak spot" under "Distant Horizon" as well (page 34). Avenging strike, vital recovery from the general feat section also come into play. Even devoted bulwark is a bit questionable in terms of it's correlation to realism, I'm pretty sure that someone's already expected to be actively defending themselves and stepping it up is called "fighting defensively" or "full defense". I won't touch on the divine or psionic elements.
How deep do you want to evaluate? The difference in Northern vs. Southern styles from Asian traditions and how to most accurately replicate them? Armed combat from European traditions? Heck, take one of the basics you'll learn in just about any martial art, 90% of fights end on the ground and you better learn to fall. The monk's laughable slow fall ability does a better job of representing this than any of the classes in that book but that, getting used to falling, is actually closer to realism than most of the content I'm seeing in ToB (albeit probably not from such heights). Same thing as having easier access to grapple via a feat. Given your name let's talk Pankration, the pinnacle competition of ancient greek martial arts. Almost nothing in ToB is stylistically comparable. Heck, a rogue might be more realistic if they had crippling strike.
Where would you like to go next? Why turning incorporal isn't realistic of martial arts? Here, I just flipped open to page 60 randomly, let me start. "Martial Spirit" (if that was realistic we'd have doctors punching nurses instead of surgery to heal the patient), "Radiant charge" (pretty sure most real swords don't care if you're evil), Rallying Strike (again with the healing), "Revitalizing Strike" (again, alignment isn't important in the real world as far as a sword's concerned). Shield block and shield counter I'll grant have some basis (kinda skeptical about shield counter but sure, let's go with it). Strike of the righteous is another.
So, still honestly want to tell me ToB is a more realistic reflection of real world martial arts? Honestly a vanilla fighter is more realistic than some of this
Edit: Sorry, this was a bit of a catch all gear in part towards some other comments. European Reconnaissance doesn't share quite the same incorporation of super powered extra worldy fighting, closest analogy I can think of is Anime.
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2014-08-31, 09:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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I just ctrl-F'd "Code of conduct" in both of those books and found nothing. That said, I wouldn't have been surprised if I had found something since I've barely read Deities and Demigods and didn't even know Faiths and Pantheons existed. If you can give me specific examples with page numbers, I'll be more than happy to believe you.
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Oh yes, let's rely on neverending torture or will saves - clearly the bane of any spellcaster, before we even get to the natural 20s they'll inevitably roll - to solve the problem forever. And you have the gall to ask if I'm being serious?
Also, OotS is a terrible setting - yes, I'm sure you're basing this on *snerk* your considerable experience building worlds of... actually, I can't even finish this sentence.
But can you do it and maintain your alignment? Good (and hell, even neutral) societies imprison (without torture, whatever you weirdly seem to think) because the alternative is disproportionate punishment by executing everyone regardless of crime.
Or perhaps you advocate maiming them instead? Rip their tongues out or cut off their hands to stop them from using verbal and somatic components? To your warped viewpoint, that would be acceptable, right?
Constant torture I've addressed above. "Kept from doing anything" you've yet to demonstrate a tenable way of doing that. "Interrogated" - for what? "Watched" by who?
AMF is a key component of any D&D setting worth the paper it's printed on. It also keeps their friends from teleporting in, knocking our your jail staff easily and busting them out. Or, simply pulling them out of there or sending a disposable summon to pick them up.
You do know that there are crimes besides murder, right? What about a mad mage who uses his powers to commit arson, but only uninhabited buildings? No loss of life, just lots and lots of property damage. Do you string him up, or let him roam free? Obviously neither is acceptable. How about a Beguiler con or second-story man who uses their powers to steal from the city's powerful? A crime certainly, but is execution a worthy punishment? What about a sorcerer or wilder who can't control her powers and is a danger to all around her? Say she hasn't killed anyone yet and needs to be taught control, but you need to keep her in one place long enough to get her the help she needs. Would you torture all of these individuals or render them comatose indefinitely? Would you station NPC guards with all of them, people who are likely quite ill-equipped to do anything should your drugs wear off or they pass their saves? Or would you stick adventurers with all of them, people who are the smallest minority of the population even if you did find folks willing to stick around in prison with each of your captives?
Right back at you, person-with-oddly-fitting-name.Last edited by Psyren; 2014-08-31 at 10:11 AM.
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Since it's not explicitly called out as a code of conduct, it has no effect as per RAW. That said, I would have no trouble with the DM issuing a cleric PC warnings via divine proxy if they cross a line or two or even stripping them of their powers if they don't learn after the first few chastising angels.
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Oh for the love of...
So, still honestly want to tell me ToB is a more realistic reflection of real world martial arts? .
Meanwhile in DnD literally anyone can focus on combat a bit/ and suddenly start healing rapidly. Such realism.Last edited by Terazul; 2014-08-31 at 02:49 PM.
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The phrase is, "Even Evil Has Standards".
Not that it matters because this thread is on it's way to being locked with the genocidal racist ***** of a "Good" guy being brought up again.
Rather than discussing the benefits of pre-emptively wiping out all life in Europe and then killing all Caucasian people in the world to prevent the return of the Nazis. Let me rectify the mistake I made the last time genocide was brought up in one of your threads jedi.
Let's ask The Giant what he thinks about genocide.Last edited by Threadnaught; 2014-08-31 at 03:40 PM.