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Thread: I'm Going on a Europe Trip!
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2014-11-12, 09:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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I was quite embarrassed when I learnt what history Nürnberg has AFTER visiting the place. We were there to just see the CUTEST POLAR BEAR BABBY OMG. I mean, worth the visit, but... There would've been so much else to see, and I didn't know about it! I mean, I knew about the history, but for some odd reason I just didn't connect it in my head that this Nürnberg was THAT Nürnberg.
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2014-11-12, 09:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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heh.. I've been to Nurenberg every year for about 15 years, on a trade show...and I never managed to go visit the museum.
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2014-11-12, 04:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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You definitely should, it's pretty good. The whole area, the Zeppelingfeld, is pretty impressive, and even as ruins, you can feel how breathtaking the place must have looked when there was a parade going on.
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2014-11-12, 04:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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Yeah, they took me to the Zepplingfeld. I got a couple pictures of it as well.
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2014-11-12, 05:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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2014-11-12, 05:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Aww, polar bears.
I believe I was only there long enough to go to the Germanisches Nationalmuseum. It was a cool museum, though.
From the perspective of a nine year old.
They had swords, and armor and stuff. And cool instruments.
There are extant pictures of me making faces at my brother and sister because they were spending too long in the art section.
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2014-11-12, 05:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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That's what Nuremberg is called in Germany/German?
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2014-11-12, 06:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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2014-11-12, 06:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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English language is one of the only languages I know that has changed the form of for example German and Italian place names as drastically as it at least seems to me... Like, sometimes I have no idea what place some people are talking about, and I have to google it, and find out they were talking about Firenze or the like.
Originally Posted by LaZodiac
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2014-11-12, 06:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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French does that quite a bit too (Londres, Munich, Gênes, Naples, Florence, Vienne, Prague, Cologne, Rome, Moscou, Brême, Venise, Lisbonne, Varsovie, Mayence, Turin, Francfort, Cracovie, Milan...)
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2014-11-12, 07:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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2014-11-12, 07:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Swedish and Finnish - Helsingfors/Helsinki, Åbo/Turku and many many more.
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2014-11-12, 07:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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I know that the Finnish language has transformed some capitals to suit the language more (Lontoo, Moskova, Kööpenhamina, Tokio, Berliini, etc), but they're not as extremely different as some of the English forms are.
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Originally Posted by LaZodiac
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2014-11-12, 08:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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This is a matter that comes up a lot if you travel in Europe by train, as the destinations in timetables are often not listed by their English names. For example trying to find a train that will take you to Cologne or Copenhagen is very confusing, unless you know to look for Köln and København. ^^
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2014-11-13, 02:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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2014-11-13, 07:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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That's an interesting way to look at both languages.
Eye of the beholder, I think. To me, your examples look like big transformations on the names, as strong as any in English or French.
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2014-11-13, 08:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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I think it's really a matter of understanding the pronounciation. For example, Lontoo, Berliini, Moskova and Tokio aren't that different at all. Kööpenhamina does sound a little different, but the first part, "Kööpen-" is clearly derived from the original "Køben-". Not that "Copen-" is too far off, but it's still significantly different from the original.
Then... Then there's Florence - Firenze. It stars and ends with the same letter. THAT'S ABOUT IT. WHY IS THERE AN L.
I have to say - the French names look weird, and they most definitely will sound weird. Because French is downright a weird language and no one can change my mind on that. Not as weird as English, though.Last edited by FinnLassie; 2014-11-13 at 08:12 AM.
Originally Posted by LaZodiac
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2014-11-13, 08:34 AM (ISO 8601)
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German has a lot of names for places outside of it. Probably mostly places they conquered at some point, like most of Eastern Europe. But there's some Italian ones, too. Florenz (Firenze) was mentioned for English/French, already, but there's also Mailand (Milano).
And of course some where you really have no idea what they are in more usual terms. Like Siebenbürgen for Transsylvania. Which is of course also called Ardeal in Rumanian and Erdély in Hungarian. Shows you how often some places were conquered or otherwise changed allegiance.
As for Florence/Firenze, the original Latin name is Florentia. So, you could say the Italians are the ones who got it wrong (The adjective is still "Fiorentina", I think?)Last edited by Eldan; 2014-11-13 at 08:39 AM.
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2014-11-13, 09:04 AM (ISO 8601)
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OK, I get your point better then. Of course it means that Finnish pronunciation is totally strange, but hey, no surprise here
As a native French speaker who had to learn English in the French school system, I couldn't agree with you more on that count. Except maybe French is the weirder of the two by a small margin.
Another classic example of a placename that varies a lot between languages is "Germany" (Deutschland, Allemagne, Duitsland, Saksa, Germania, Alemania, Tyskland, Niemcy).DM in Mummy's Mask I, II, III | Keshkaru and Ozkrak in Extinction Curse | Marzena in Age of Worms | Elrembriel in Wrath of the Righteous | Gurmok in Nightmare in Katapesh | DM in Catacombs of Ravenloft Avatar courtesy of Neoseph7
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2014-11-13, 09:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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Originally Posted by LaZodiac
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2014-11-13, 11:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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Well, that's because English is a mix of everything.
Speaking of that, has there been a significant language barrier, Silver?My webcomic!
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2014-11-13, 12:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Originally Posted by LaZodiac
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2014-11-13, 02:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Nope. Nominative and genitive. Just like Swedish does it. On the other hand, Finnish is dangerously undergendered.
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2014-11-13, 04:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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4 cases, three genders. It makes sense and hits all the important numbers, like 3, 4 and 7. I dare you to deny this fact!
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2014-11-13, 05:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Talking about cases just makes me think of delicious, delicious beer. GolemsVoice's avatar isn't helping much.
Originally Posted by LaZodiac
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Fully agreed. By the way, beer should be mandatory for any discussion of compared grammar. With enough beer, I could certainly convince anyone that a total of one case is all a language needs, and two genders are only justified so we can marvel on how it's possible to invent words that change gender in the plural.
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