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    I was quite embarrassed when I learnt what history Nürnberg has AFTER visiting the place. We were there to just see the CUTEST POLAR BEAR BABBY OMG. I mean, worth the visit, but... There would've been so much else to see, and I didn't know about it! I mean, I knew about the history, but for some odd reason I just didn't connect it in my head that this Nürnberg was THAT Nürnberg.
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    heh.. I've been to Nurenberg every year for about 15 years, on a trade show...and I never managed to go visit the museum.
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    You definitely should, it's pretty good. The whole area, the Zeppelingfeld, is pretty impressive, and even as ruins, you can feel how breathtaking the place must have looked when there was a parade going on.
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    Yeah, they took me to the Zepplingfeld. I got a couple pictures of it as well.
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    You definitely should, it's pretty good. The whole area, the Zeppelingfeld, is pretty impressive, and even as ruins, you can feel how breathtaking the place must have looked when there was a parade going on.
    Oh, I know.. Taxis go right through the grounds, going to the trade show entrance
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    Quote Originally Posted by FinnLassie View Post
    I was quite embarrassed when I learnt what history Nürnberg has AFTER visiting the place. We were there to just see the CUTEST POLAR BEAR BABBY OMG. I mean, worth the visit, but... There would've been so much else to see, and I didn't know about it! I mean, I knew about the history, but for some odd reason I just didn't connect it in my head that this Nürnberg was THAT Nürnberg.
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    I believe I was only there long enough to go to the Germanisches Nationalmuseum. It was a cool museum, though.

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    They had swords, and armor and stuff. And cool instruments.

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    That's what Nuremberg is called in Germany/German?

    So silver, what would you say is your favoríe place so far?

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    That's what Nuremberg is called in Germany/German?
    Yep. That's the case for quite a few names - Munich is München, Bavaria is Bayern, etc. I think Bratislawa has three or four other names in other languages.
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    English language is one of the only languages I know that has changed the form of for example German and Italian place names as drastically as it at least seems to me... Like, sometimes I have no idea what place some people are talking about, and I have to google it, and find out they were talking about Firenze or the like.
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    French does that quite a bit too (Londres, Munich, Gênes, Naples, Florence, Vienne, Prague, Cologne, Rome, Moscou, Brême, Venise, Lisbonne, Varsovie, Mayence, Turin, Francfort, Cracovie, Milan...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gwynfrid View Post
    French does that quite a bit too (Londres, Munich, Gênes, Naples, Florence, Vienne, Prague, Cologne, Rome, Moscou, Brême, Venise, Lisbonne, Varsovie, Mayence, Turin, Francfort, Cracovie, Milan...)
    Well, English being partially fused from French, I don't think I'm that surprised by this new piece of information.
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    Swedish and Finnish - Helsingfors/Helsinki, Åbo/Turku and many many more.
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    I know that the Finnish language has transformed some capitals to suit the language more (Lontoo, Moskova, Kööpenhamina, Tokio, Berliini, etc), but they're not as extremely different as some of the English forms are.
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    This is a matter that comes up a lot if you travel in Europe by train, as the destinations in timetables are often not listed by their English names. For example trying to find a train that will take you to Cologne or Copenhagen is very confusing, unless you know to look for Köln and København. ^^
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    Quote Originally Posted by CoffeeIncluded View Post
    That's what Nuremberg is called in Germany/German?

    So silver, what would you say is your favoríe place so far?
    Nuremburg was by far the most interesting to me because I'm a huge history buff. But I'd have to say either Budapest or Vienna would be the prettiest city locations I have seen so far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FinnLassie View Post
    Well, English being partially fused from French, I don't think I'm that surprised by this new piece of information.
    That's an interesting way to look at both languages.

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    I know that the Finnish language has transformed some capitals to suit the language more (Lontoo, Moskova, Kööpenhamina, Tokio, Berliini, etc), but they're not as extremely different as some of the English forms are.
    Eye of the beholder, I think. To me, your examples look like big transformations on the names, as strong as any in English or French.

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    This is a matter that comes up a lot if you travel in Europe by train, as the destinations in timetables are often not listed by their English names. For example trying to find a train that will take you to Cologne or Copenhagen is very confusing, unless you know to look for Köln and København. ^^
    Yes. Trains are traditionally more geared towards the local travelers. That's why you see the real names of places in train stations, as opposed to airports that always catered to a global audience requiring English translation. Now, to travel by road, one needs to learn local names as well.

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    Eye of the beholder, I think. To me, your examples look like big transformations on the names, as strong as any in English or French.
    I think it's really a matter of understanding the pronounciation. For example, Lontoo, Berliini, Moskova and Tokio aren't that different at all. Kööpenhamina does sound a little different, but the first part, "Kööpen-" is clearly derived from the original "Køben-". Not that "Copen-" is too far off, but it's still significantly different from the original.

    Then... Then there's Florence - Firenze. It stars and ends with the same letter. THAT'S ABOUT IT. WHY IS THERE AN L.

    I have to say - the French names look weird, and they most definitely will sound weird. Because French is downright a weird language and no one can change my mind on that. Not as weird as English, though.
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    German has a lot of names for places outside of it. Probably mostly places they conquered at some point, like most of Eastern Europe. But there's some Italian ones, too. Florenz (Firenze) was mentioned for English/French, already, but there's also Mailand (Milano).

    And of course some where you really have no idea what they are in more usual terms. Like Siebenbürgen for Transsylvania. Which is of course also called Ardeal in Rumanian and Erdély in Hungarian. Shows you how often some places were conquered or otherwise changed allegiance.

    As for Florence/Firenze, the original Latin name is Florentia. So, you could say the Italians are the ones who got it wrong (The adjective is still "Fiorentina", I think?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by FinnLassie View Post
    I think it's really a matter of understanding the pronounciation. For example, Lontoo, Berliini, Moskova and Tokio aren't that different at all. Kööpenhamina does sound a little different, but the first part, "Kööpen-" is clearly derived from the original "Køben-". Not that "Copen-" is too far off, but it's still significantly different from the original.
    OK, I get your point better then. Of course it means that Finnish pronunciation is totally strange, but hey, no surprise here

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    I have to say - the French names look weird, and they most definitely will sound weird. Because French is downright a weird language and no one can change my mind on that. Not as weird as English, though.
    As a native French speaker who had to learn English in the French school system, I couldn't agree with you more on that count. Except maybe French is the weirder of the two by a small margin.

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    German has a lot of names for places outside of it. Probably mostly places they conquered at some point, like most of Eastern Europe. But there's some Italian ones, too. Florenz (Firenze) was mentioned for English/French, already, but there's also Mailand (Milano).

    And of course some where you really have no idea what they are in more usual terms. Like Siebenbürgen for Transsylvania. Which is of course also called Ardeal in Rumanian and Erdély in Hungarian. Shows you how often some places were conquered or otherwise changed allegiance.

    As for Florence/Firenze, the original Latin name is Florentia. So, you could say the Italians are the ones who got it wrong (The adjective is still "Fiorentina", I think?)
    Another classic example of a placename that varies a lot between languages is "Germany" (Deutschland, Allemagne, Duitsland, Saksa, Germania, Alemania, Tyskland, Niemcy).

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    OK, I get your point better then. Of course it means that Finnish pronunciation is totally strange, but hey, no surprise here

    As a native French speaker who had to learn English in the French school system, I couldn't agree with you more on that count. Except maybe French is the weirder of the two by a small margin.
    Hey, Finnish makes sense! There's only one way to pronounce each letter!

    I think English wins the weird competition with the whole "HEY WE ARE A MIX OF EVERYTHING HURRBLLBLBLLLL".
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    Well, that's because English is a mix of everything.

    Speaking of that, has there been a significant language barrier, Silver?

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    Well, that's because English is a mix of everything.

    Speaking of that, has there been a significant language barrier, Silver?
    Not usually. Most people speak enough English that I've met so far that it hasn't been a problem.
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    Hey, Finnish makes sense! There's only one way to pronounce each letter!
    Astounding! That's got to be boring, though

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    Astounding! That's got to be boring, though
    Well, you try to pronounce 'yökylässä' or 'hääyöaie' and tell me it's boring.
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    A language with thirteen cases is a language with eleven too many.
    You meant twelve too many, right?

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    Well, you try to pronounce 'yökylässä' or 'hääyöaie' and tell me it's boring.
    OK, you gave me a hint when you said Lontoo, Berliini, Moskova and Tokio are pronounced much the same way as the originals... Then... OK, I give up.

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    Nope. Nominative and genitive. Just like Swedish does it. On the other hand, Finnish is dangerously undergendered.
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    4 cases, three genders. It makes sense and hits all the important numbers, like 3, 4 and 7. I dare you to deny this fact!
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    Talking about cases just makes me think of delicious, delicious beer. GolemsVoice's avatar isn't helping much.
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    Fully agreed. By the way, beer should be mandatory for any discussion of compared grammar. With enough beer, I could certainly convince anyone that a total of one case is all a language needs, and two genders are only justified so we can marvel on how it's possible to invent words that change gender in the plural.
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