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    Default 2E Spells Per Day?

    It occurred to me looking through the Player's Handbook of 2nd edition (my main system) that there is no point at which spells per day are mentioned. Any time AD&D is brought up in discussion, somebody always brings up balance, and the one spell/day mages and clerics get at first level. Granted AD&D is not a well-balanced game, but that's beside the point. I read through the whole chapter on magic, and skimmed over the wizards section a bit, and there is not at any point a mention of spell limits. The only rules I found is this:

    The number of spells a wizard can memorize is given by his level (see Table 21); he can memorize the same spell more than once, but each memorization counts as one spell toward his daily memorization limit. Part of a wizard's intelligence can be seen in the careful selection of spells he has memorized.
    Memorization is not a thing that happens immediately. The wizard must have a clear head gained from a restful night's sleep and then has to spend time studying his spell books. The amount of study time needed is 10 minutes per level of the spell being memorized. Thus, a 9th-level spell (the most powerful) would require 90 minutes of careful study. Clearly, high-level spellcasters do not lightly change their memorized spells.

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    Judging from this, a first-level wizard could cast as many spells in a day as he could memorize in that time. Obviously, that would be useless in combat, but fine in normal day-to-day roleplaying.

    I come here to ask if anybody else has found this out. Maybe I'm just outrageously slow, and have been getting my information just off of the least reliable of sources, but I'm guessing not. If you've got the real source for per day rule (DMG, PH, 1st Ed) I want to hear it. Just trying to figure it out.

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    Default Re: 2E Spells Per Day?

    2e method is very similar to 1e. The number of spells a wizard can memorize are given by his level, found in the class description. That is the number that can be memorized at one time. Memorizing spells requires a restful night's sleep. So a 1st level wizard can memorize one first level spell, then requires a night's sleep and ten minutes to memorize another one.

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    If you're worried about running out of spell slots and not being able to do any day-to-day magical tricks, try the Cantrip proficiency in Dragon 221. It gives you 4 tiny spells per day to use, +1 per level of the caster (And infinite uses once you're level 5). I've found it's a great way for the wizard to have more uses when they've exhausted their spell uses. You can use more than your stated amount, but any attempt after that has a cumulative -1 to the proficiency check.

    It's very useful, and allows the wizard to contribute without firing off their main cannon all the time.

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    Default Re: 2E Spells Per Day?

    Just give a MU a ring of wizardry and lvl 0 spells and a could of levels

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    Default Re: 2E Spells Per Day?

    Thank you Thrudd! Somehow I completely overlooked that. I'm not so much looking for extra spells, though were I playing a wizard, you're strapped for them as is, so thanks for the suggestions. Of course, now you're opening up for exploits and what qualifies as a "restful night's sleep" (yep, there it is.) but that'd be a discussion for another day. Can't believe I missed it, thanks.

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    The key phrase in the quote is "daily memorization limit."
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    Default Re: 2E Spells Per Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Khatoblepas View Post
    If you're worried about running out of spell slots and not being able to do any day-to-day magical tricks, try the Cantrip proficiency in Dragon 221.
    That's a fun suggestion.

    If you've got the proficiency slots, there's also the Signature Spell proficiency from Spells & Magic. It grants one extra spell that a caster is specifically known for.

    Other fun superpowers are:
    Concocting from Sages & Specialists: alchemical creation for SCIENCE!
    Spirit Lore from Comp. Necromancers: Seances'R'Us.
    Omen Reading from Spells & Magic: low powered divination
    Or various Psionicist proficiencies.

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    Default Re: 2E Spells Per Day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrudd View Post
    2e method is very similar to 1e. The number of spells a wizard can memorize are given by his level, found in the class description. That is the number that can be memorized at one time. Memorizing spells requires a restful night's sleep. So a 1st level wizard can memorize one first level spell, then requires a night's sleep and ten minutes to memorize another one.
    Actually, 2E is substantially different from 1e. 2E says "a restful night's sleep" implying it has to be an overnight rest regardless of how many spells you've cast or what level they are. 1E, however, says "complete rest (usually sleep)", implying that it doesn't HAVE to be sleep and certainly doesn't have to be overnight. It has a chart for the number of hours of rest required based on the highest level of the spell that the caster needs to recover, and then requires 15 minutes per spell level to actually memorize/study.

    In 2e a 1st level mage gets one spell per day. End of story - because he has to rest overnight to recover that spell. 1E requires only 4 hours rest for recovering 1st or 2nd level spells. In 1E a 1st level magic-user can squeeze in as many as 5 spells in a single day - ASSUMING he can actually squeeze the necessary rest and study (total of 21 hours, 15 minutes) into that 24 hour day, of course. As he gains levels and needs to rest and study longer to recover more spells (and higher level spells) then it becomes harder to fit in the time to cast and recover his complete slate of spells multiple times. But while he can still do so at the lowest levels that significantly alters the dynamics of what a caster can do in a 24 hour period.

    So... yes they're similar, and yet VERY different in how things can work out.
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    Default Re: 2E Spells Per Day?

    Page 30 of the Player's Handbook states, "They also use Table 21 to determine the levels and numbers of spells they can cast at each level." This line, along with the "memorization limit" line from p. 81, indicates that a wizard cannot memorize or cast any more spells than the number listed on Table 21.
    Just for a little emphasis, add in the phrases from p. 31 that state, "Upon casting, the energy of the spell is spent, wiped clean from the wizard's mind. The wizard cannot cast that spell again until he returns to his spell book and memorizes it again."

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