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2014-09-15, 07:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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NSFW: Dwarven Women TOTALLY BEARDLESS!
It's true! All of the dwarven women appearing in this comic are TOTALLY BEARDLESS! These shameful hussies waltz around all day showing off their CHINS!
We dwarves must put a stop to this deviant behavior. If Thor didn't want dwarven women to wear properly groomed beards, he would have made them with BALD FACES! Why, if we don't put a stop to this where will it end? Will they also shave the gods-given hair from other places on their body? Scandalous!
Paid for by Dwarves for a Moral Society.
I do wonder about the author's decision to make his dwarven females beardless. I had assumed Hilgya was a deviant who shaved. After all, she is a cleric of Loki, and who knows to what lows such a creature will stoop? However, to date I have not seen a single chin-whisker on any of the female dwarves in this comic.
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2014-09-15, 07:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: NSFW: Dwarven Women TOTALLY BEARDLESS!
Where is it written that all dwarven females must have beards? Certainly its not an unheard of thing to do, but its not exactly a universal consensus, unlike their accents.
“Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”
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2014-09-15, 07:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: NSFW: Dwarven Women TOTALLY BEARDLESS!
Lord of the Rings, Tolkien says that dwarven females are so like their men that many folk think the race is composed only of men and dwarven babes spring from the rock.
Dragonlance says that female dwarves who shave are brazen hussies.
Okay, that's only two sources, but that's enough for me!!!
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2014-09-15, 07:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: NSFW: Dwarven Women TOTALLY BEARDLESS!
All the dwarf women nowadays go beardless. It's like wearing skimpy armor.
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2014-09-15, 07:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: NSFW: Dwarven Women TOTALLY BEARDLESS!
You say "sources" as if they are authorities on what universal aspects a creature must have to be considered a dwarf. There is nothing saying that Rich must make his dwarven women as bearded as men, or able to grow beards at all. Its his world, he can give them as much or little facial hair as he wants.
“Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”
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2014-09-15, 07:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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- The 100 hurricane swamp
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2014-09-15, 07:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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- Apr 2007
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- Lemuria
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Re: NSFW: Dwarven Women TOTALLY BEARDLESS!
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2014-09-15, 08:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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2014-09-15, 08:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: NSFW: Dwarven Women TOTALLY BEARDLESS!
Source is a perfectly valid usage. Order of the Stick is a DnD pastiche, and DnD dwarves were lifted wholesale from Tolkien. Direct inspiration from Norse myth came later. Authoritative is a bizarre interpolation to relate to any independent work, but that's not really the odd thing here.
Most stock fantasy settings don't follow the hirsute female Dwarves trope (most commonly one suspects simply because of aesthetic preferences), so I'm not sure why this is noteworthy. It would be more surprising if the Giant had included it.
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2014-09-15, 08:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: NSFW: Dwarven Women TOTALLY BEARDLESS!
To add to the sources as it were, there are also the Dwarves of Dark Sun, whom go a bit more than beardless on either side of the gender line.
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2014-09-15, 09:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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2014-09-15, 09:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: NSFW: Dwarven Women TOTALLY BEARDLESS!
If you see a bearded dwarf woman in DF, the player in question (or whoever distributed it) modded the game. By vanilla, DF Dwarven females do not have beards. Toady did leave the tag in (commented so it wouldn't process) to make it easy for people to add it, but it isn't part of the vanilla world.
As for Tolkein, there is very, very little support in his works for bearded dwarf women (the line from the movie was an addition, not in the original work), and what little support there is comes from his unpublished work by way of Christopher Tolkein. NOTHING published in his lifetime includes the concept (or, for that matter, a dwarf woman).
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2014-09-15, 09:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: NSFW: Dwarven Women TOTALLY BEARDLESS!
Tolkien apparently also never directly said that elves have pointed ears. You have to get that by interpreting some of the material. (Or so I'm told.)
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2014-09-15, 09:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: NSFW: Dwarven Women TOTALLY BEARDLESS!
Lord of the Rings Appendix A:
It was said by Gimli that there are few dwarf-women, probably no more than a third of the whole people. They seldom walk abroad except at great need. They are in voice and appearance, and in garb if they must go on a journey, so like to the dwarf-men that the eyes and ears of other peoples cannot tell them apart.
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2014-09-15, 09:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: NSFW: Dwarven Women TOTALLY BEARDLESS!
Funny, that isn't in my copy, or my other copy. I checked before posting.
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2014-09-15, 09:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: NSFW: Dwarven Women TOTALLY BEARDLESS!
Hmm, that was based off a wiki. I'll check my hard copy.
Edit: It's at the very end of Appendix A, just before the chart of the Dwarven family tree.Last edited by Legato Endless; 2014-09-15 at 10:10 PM.
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2014-09-15, 11:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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2014-09-16, 12:00 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: NSFW: Dwarven Women TOTALLY BEARDLESS!
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2014-09-16, 12:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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2014-09-16, 12:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: NSFW: Dwarven Women TOTALLY BEARDLESS!
http://aventurandose.files.wordpress...ces-dd-3-5.jpg
The iconic dwarven women of 3.5 didn't have beards :)
Edit:typoLast edited by Hacktor; 2014-09-16 at 12:52 AM.
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2014-09-16, 03:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: NSFW: Dwarven Women TOTALLY BEARDLESS!
I was about to say something like Hacktor just did--I'm pretty sure that every pictorial representation of a Dwarf woman I've ever seen in the D&D canon does not show them with beards. I also agree that the Tolkien quote mentioned above does not indicate that Dwarven women are bearded; in fact, does Tolkien even ever say that all Dwarven *men* have beards?
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2014-09-16, 03:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: NSFW: Dwarven Women TOTALLY BEARDLESS!
Originally Posted by J.R.R. Tolkien, 1955
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2014-09-16, 04:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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2014-09-16, 05:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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2014-09-16, 09:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: NSFW: Dwarven Women TOTALLY BEARDLESS!
[QUOTE=BaronOfHell;18118151I think you're missing the point.[/QUOTE]
No, that's elves - he's missing the beards.
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2014-09-16, 09:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: NSFW: Dwarven Women TOTALLY BEARDLESS!
I highly suspect that no matter how much you want it to happen, nothing you do or say is going to make Rich put beards on the dwarven women. After all, he writes the comic, and if he'd wanted all dwarves to have beards, they would have them.
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2014-09-16, 10:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: NSFW: Dwarven Women TOTALLY BEARDLESS!
All numbers are grammatically correct
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2014-09-16, 05:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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2014-09-16, 05:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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2014-09-16, 08:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: NSFW: Dwarven Women TOTALLY BEARDLESS!
It probably is a combination of "beards make characters harder to draw" (maybe) and "beards would make it harder to distinguish male and female characters in the, shall we say, minimalist art style" (definitely).
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