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Thread: The HPoH's spirit came from...
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2014-09-21, 05:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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The HPoH's spirit came from...
The escaped Haerta, epic Necromancer extraordinaire? No? What you think?
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2014-09-21, 05:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The HPoH's spirit came from...
I doubt Haerta was born in Hel's hall.
(Also, she was Neutral Evil; the High Priest of Hel seems as Lawful as Durkon himself. "Service is my sole purpose, my lady.")Orth Plays: Currently Baldur's Gate II
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2014-09-21, 10:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The HPoH's spirit came from...
There is nothing else relevant to the plot about the souls in the splice.
(Also, Kish wins).
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2014-09-21, 10:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The HPoH's spirit came from...
My understanding is that the vampire spirit is a brand new being born of negative energy, not a recycled soul.
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2014-09-21, 11:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The HPoH's spirit came from...
It is my opinion that the spirit was created at the time Durkon was vamped, and had no previous existence whatsoever. It is a construct of negative energy which, like a robot, is programmed to behave a particular way. It didn't begin to achieve self-awareness until it began to absorb Durkon's memories under Malak's guidance, but it's mission was built in in the same way that crappy office product crap is built into my Windows program. (What's with that crap anyway? Does anybody even use that stuff? Why does Microsoft waste my computer resources on junk programs that aren't worth the time it takes to try them out?)
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2014-09-22, 01:15 AM (ISO 8601)
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2014-09-22, 03:02 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The HPoH's spirit came from...
Microsoft don't--you don't get trial versions of Office free with Windows, presumably whoever you bought your PC from included it as something they thought you'd like to have. Oh, and the only resource those programs are wasting if you never run them is disk space, and an uninstall will fix that issue if it's something you're worried about.
On topic: Yeah, I agree with the general trend--while the comment from Rich linked earlier doesn't explicitly say that he will never use Haerta again in any capacity, there are too many other logical reasons why this spirit *can't* be her (birthed in Hel's halls, no sign of necromantic powers, doesn't appear as Haerta did when in spirit conversations inside Durkon's mind) to make this theory fly, IMHO.Last edited by factotum; 2014-09-22 at 03:03 AM.
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2014-09-22, 05:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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2014-09-22, 09:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The HPoH's spirit came from...
There's very little plot relevence as well. Both spirits are blank slates. The only thing we know about Haerta is the Familicide spell, and a few generic evil phrases. Any insight into the plot that she might have could be instantly conveyed to Durkula by Hel if needed. We see that Tiamat knows of the IFCC and Vaarsuvius's usage of Familicide. There's no reason Hel wouldn't know this too. There would be nothing gained from reusing Haerta that couldn't be filled with a brand new character, because we know nothing about Haerta.
She doesn't fit at all. She's a necromancer, not a cleric. She was gloating about being free when she broke away from Vaarsuvius, so why would she be declaring fealty to Hel? It would basically be a completely different response than before. And of course, why would she look like Durkon, not understand memories, claim to have been birthed in Hel's hall, and all the other indications that Durkula is a new being created for Durkon's body?Last edited by NerdyKris; 2014-09-22 at 09:50 AM.
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2014-09-22, 01:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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2014-09-22, 01:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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“Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”
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2014-09-22, 01:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The HPoH's spirit came from...
Do you know anything that distinguishes him from every other vampire dwarf? *ducks*
Orth Plays: Currently Baldur's Gate II
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2014-09-22, 04:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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2014-09-22, 06:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The HPoH's spirit came from...
The MitD is a reincarnation of Haerta!